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In post 146, Servant Assassin wrote:I have yet to see anything that comes off as scummy, though beserker's appeal to cabd and the resultant thought to elect a charismatic town leader was off-putting.

Typically people don’t like when someone opposes their game plan. I brought up information I deemed important to make these decisions, and stand by my choices to prefer someone to lead than someone for the role itself.

Lancer is town. I respect them not wanting to lead, but they are town. 85 is self reflective on their own qualifications to lead, as well as actual need and optimization of them receiving the master. I also think that everyone, regardless of alignment wants to be the master, so the “Why is that?” is more about trying to get a read and feels like an unfair nitpick.

Rider should have engaged more, as should foreigner.

With regard to my read on egos, it might be a tad premature. I did find them saying a lot of what I was thinking, but I suppose arguing from a mechanical standpoint and not a scumhunting standpoint is much easier to fake.

In post 151, Servant Berserker wrote:Typically people don’t like when someone opposes their game plan. I brought up information I deemed important to make these decisions, and stand by my choices to prefer someone to lead than someone for the role itself.

Lancer is town. I respect them not wanting to lead, but they are town. 85 is self reflective on their own qualifications to lead, as well as actual need and optimization of them receiving the master. I also think that everyone, regardless of alignment wants to be the master, so the “Why is that?” is more about trying to get a read and feels like an unfair nitpick.

The off-putting part was less about the mechanical element (though that comes into it) but more about the concept of a potential charismatic town leader. I don't find those types to have nearly as much value as their lofty name would suggest. I'd be perfectly happy with a potato in the slot if I knew it was town over that.

Where does your town read of Lancer come from? Is it actually from the posts I've mentioned or somewhere else. Even entertaining your charitable version I don't see how you can evaluate his posts beyond the null zone.

Not a big fan of Rider's iso atm lol.

You have anything to say other then just your vote?

As I’ve mentioned, most of this is coming off the back of listening to what the creator of the game would have done. I also, frankly, agree. Having been in games where confirmed town a potato, I’d much prefer someone who is willing and capable of getting us on the same page (such as assassin in the first game). Someone central to prevent us going off on the wrong track via tunneling and the like. It’s honestly strange you don’t see the merit in a town leader, I feel like most decisive wins from town typically have a central figure.

I find not wanting the role for the reasons Lancer listed town, there’s more interest in preserving a good gamestate than selfish desire for the master (I’m not calling anyone out here, because I too have the desire). Ive also liked their tone throughout the game.

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Agreed, as I’ve already said.

After sleeping on it, I'm not sure that I particularly care if Assassin's claim is a nefarious scum ploy - I think the risk/reward is in our favor regardless and I wouldn't mind voting there because it sorts them early.

Perhaps I was not clear. I prefer a clear town slot ascending to IC-hood even if they are a potato over a charismatic person who people think would make a good town leader they were town, yet was not yet clear. Believe me I've had my fair share of playing with IC confirmed potatoes so I understand the frustrations that come with it.

I think that post is easily fakable and scum ought to be cognizant that at least some of their members would have to fake that kind of reasoning or close to it. I think the way alter-ego did so was a much townier way to go about it. Everyone else has just been playing the game and not had to stoop to giving reasons why its ok for them to not take the IC (or in archer's case has had mechanics reasons).

In post 153, Servant Archer wrote:Not a big fan of Rider's iso atm lol.

You have anything to say other then just your vote?

Foreigner isn't impressive so far either, although it's still early.

@Berserker - I was looking back over the game, and I am curious who were you referring to in post 50

In post 17, Servant Berserker wrote:Anyone who has not done so already should go read Cabds comments from the first game on the preliminary master vote. The short version is decide on a charismatic player to receive it, and let them either lead town or get taken out entirely if scum.

In post 18, Servant Lancer wrote:In that case, I’m all for being selected

With regard to Lancer, I mostly liked this sequence on the first page. The response didn't feel like one scum would make, I would've expected somethng more self-conscious. Posting since then has been largely mechanical so I wouldn't say it's the strongest read, but as far as early vibes go they've been all right.

^ that might be the one thing in the iso that looked half-way good.

In post 158, Servant Archer wrote:@Berserker - I was looking back over the game, and I am curious who were you referring to in post 50

Caster. I’ve come around to the idea that we just have polar opposite approaches to the game, but I did not like their constant reinforcement to focus on abilities anyway. I think it’s a pitfall, but there’s clearly more than just them that believes it.

Its so hard to associate avatars with reads, when everyone looks so similar

You aren’t alone in that belief.

Has nothing stood out to you?

In post 89, Servant Saber wrote:

In post 87, Servant Assassin wrote:

In post 77, Servant Saber wrote:My noble phantasm involves me making judgments about what other people find useful

Would you say it's better than a guaranteed cop-shot? That is my offer.

Both would depend on the utility of the target selected. Mine could be better or worse depending on various hypothetical game states. I can't guarantee mine would be better than a cop shot, no.

Scum in this situation can promise everything. Once they win elections they are tree stumped anyway, no risk of being killed for lieing. It shouldn't be used as indication.

Lancer 3
Berserker 1
Alter 1

Lancer is the most active person and should be selected

I recommend readig this game in ISO. It is way less confusing.

I like that Berserker is rational kind of person <3

In post 165, Servant Foreigner wrote:Lancer 3
Berserker 1
Alter 1

Lancer is the most active person and should be selected

You would choose someone for the master vote solely on the basis of activity?

In post 168, Servant Alter Ego wrote:

In post 165, Servant Foreigner wrote:Lancer 3
Berserker 1
Alter 1

Lancer is the most active person and should be selected

You would choose someone for the master vote solely on the basis of activity?

of course

Caster keeps talking but doesn't say anything about other players. First scum got caught.

In post 149, Servant Assassin wrote:Giving this another once over, Lancer is pinging me for scum.

I mostly dislike posts #85 and #100, the first being what the kids call LAMIST and the 2nd is simply that if you are town, you understand the pull that would draw one to wanting to become master. Even if me and Saber did not have strong mechanical reasons to want master, there is a pull that wants to get townread and make the most of your slot, and becoming master achieves that immediately. The "Why is that?" from Lancer basically should already be understood from a town perspective.

the person that assassin shades is actually a lancer, who got townreads
such concidence

In post 170, Servant Foreigner wrote:Caster keeps talking but doesn't say anything about other players. First scum got caught.

my first two posts are 2 scum reads and 1 town read

yea sure on second page

I was at 1 and 1 on page two.