In post 144, Bellaphant wrote:I really disliked cats early posting but this page has been much better, Maria calling her town and me scum for not very much looks worse on Maria than cat, I've decided.
level of certainty this is a scum flip. It's mostly based on tone but there are a few things I can point out that are concrete. I think the tone read is reliable in this case because Lammolde hasn't played in 5 years so they're having a hard time pretending to scum hunt.
I was playing anti town by lying (concealing) but I think it's good play because I wanted to give Lammolde time to spew their team, and I tried to breadcrumb that my read flip is coming:
I just read the roster and got bad vibes from his name i guess. You can get a townie point for pushing things along. Enchant gets a scummy point for post #6.
Lammolde,
Is there any reason you can't post a list of your reads so far?
I just read the roster and got bad vibes from his name i guess. You can get a townie point for pushing things along. Enchant gets a scummy point for post #6.
In post 68, Lammolde wrote:Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.
These posts are scummy by tone and I think are written with the sole purpose of obtaining Townreads, ie 40 and 83 are the reaction I think these were fishing for. I believe the fishing part with a
Is there any reason you can't post a list of your reads so far?
#1 To be honest
,
#2 i am simply incapable of making any conclusion out of fluff(Not sure if this is the accurate term) posts meaning i have no read on:
Enchant, Roden, MalaKittens, BBT, Cakez and Tet. When i see posts like "Gameboy advance content" or "mew" the only thing that pops into my mind is ...ok then. Since this is early on in day 1 the only town reads i have are due to the fact that some people are active and trying to advance talks by asking questions etc.
#3 One observation i made is that Bella was not really into this game when she posted:
In post 15, Lammolde wrote:VOTE: Frog
My gut is right around 30% of the time. Haven't played in 5(?) years and the only one i remember from the people here is Bella.
She was scum in my first newbie game if anybody cares.
Did I flake? I can't remember you, sorry! I don't like this post though
If she payed a bit of attention she would notice my account is brand new. My name, avatar and ip address are all different. The question would then be "What was your main account's name".
So does her not paying attention at that moment mean she isn't really into this game thus making her scummy?
#4 Maybe. Maybe she was feeling bad, or maybe she got a boring role thus the lack of enthusiasm. Maybe people don't look at avatars and account creation dates and only look at names.
I do not know
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
#1
This is qualifying and implies they don't feel entitled to post in the thread.
#2
This is a simple excuse not to post reads while shading other players.
#3
This is an attempt to pocket MariaR by supporting her indirectly against Bella.
#4
This is a nasty hedge/fence sitting on Bella.
I feel
moderately
certain on #1, #2 and #4, and
low
certain on
#3
.
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:55 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 115, Lammolde wrote:Kudos to you Frog for sticking to this as much as you did. UNVOTE: Frog
And finally I think this is a pretty blatant attempt to pocket me. I'm
highly
certain this is an attempt to pocket me, and my feeling is that it comes from scum, but I can only be
low
certain it's an actual scum attempt vs another one.
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:10 pm
by Frogsterking
The main things gained from waiting on pushing Lammolde is that they shaded the fuck out of Bella and Enchant and maybe tried to pocket MariaR as well as Roden I think. I think the biggest thing learned is that I think Enchant is Town. Let me write up some examples here.
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:31 pm
by Frogsterking
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 6:37 pm
by Frogsterking
I already wrote about pocketing me/MariaR so I'm going to point out the Bella shade, Enchant shade + town spew, and maybe Roden pocket.
Bella shade:
In post 82, Lammolde wrote:Bella is just a question mark for me right now and isn't in any category
In post 67, Lammolde wrote:One observation i made is that Bella was not really into this game when she posted:
: Could you elaborate a bit on why my posts sound awkward? Is it the vibes, or do you think i don't know what i'm doing etc.?
Your thought process behind the vote on me looks kinda forced and fake.
I'm a little bit less sure about this at the moment so I'll move onto the next two
Roden pocket:
My feeling is that following up with Roden on the seed planted in 40 and tucking a reply in here at the bottom of a bigger post implied some intentionality and that Lammolde is 4real trying to pocket Roden rather than distance with reverse psychology.
All the town reads are actually town leans. Bella is just a question mark for me right now and isn't in any category
In post 74, Bellaphant wrote:Tbf 'i don't remember playing with you ' is also an invite to clarify you were under an alt. If you don't wanna reveal who, fine, but this whole convo then becomes pointless.
I actually made a new account because i couldn't remember my username, password or e-mail, not because i wanted to be anonymous. I only remembered that my name was Charloux when the game started because Maria left it in her footnote.
I wonder if i should replace my alt with my main now, although i would have to pester the site admin for my password or e-mail.
In post 68, Lammolde wrote:Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.
Is there anyone who fits this bill?
Ignoring this on purpose for currently undisclosed reasons.
I read Lam as awkward town atm, and Bella seems fine and is engaging with people
.
I don't know why i sound awkward but this is just my way of posting, and i don't think this will change. I try to be honest and pragmatic as much as possible and look for motivation behind posts rather than personal opinions regarding the words in the posts
.
I guess my read isn't that deep, that's basically it. I think with
low
certainty this implies Roden is Town.
Enchant Town:
Okay fjnally this is what I wanted to write about.
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:31 pm
by Frogsterking
First of all I think Enchant's high activity level and refusal to forge reads is +town, but it's pretty
low
certainty, and I think we can get better confirmation on that from flipping Lammolde
In post 67, Lammolde wrote:To be honest, i am simply incapable of making any conclusion out of fluff(Not sure if this is the accurate term) posts meaning i have no read on:
Enchant,
In post 115, Lammolde wrote:I feel like an idiot for taking this game so seriously until now after i read Enchants posts
I think this is shade ala SCUM SHADE recognizing Enchant as a traditionally easy mislim but not wanting to push them and take the credibility hit themselves. I think
moderate
certainty this is what Lammolde is doing, rather than trying to sort Enchant or figure out what their deal is, because
Lammolde knows Enchant is Town.
I think I'm being a little conservative even by classifying this as moderate certainty, because I don't know what else this could be aside from scum distancing (which can be ruled out in the next part.) I don't believe that Lammolde is actually angry/frustrated because their tone is off.
In post 68, Lammolde wrote:Imo scum would stay as semi-active because the silent people are most sus and prone to vote wagons and investigation; And if they are the most active, people would start thinking "Why aren't they dead yet" later on and put them to vote wagons and investigation.
I disagree, but thought i think is town.
Boom post 83, Lammolde now can use Enchant as a pocket rather than just a mislim, that's why they add these comments in 115:
Enchant Pocket/Town spew
In post 115, Lammolde wrote:but they are so chill even 6 votes wouldn't be enough.
Lammolde adds these to 115 because Lammolde doesn't want to push Enchant too hard that they lose the Townread they got from him in 83. If Lammolde were partners with Enchant who was trying to distance them then there's no reason to add these sweet nothings. Also, I think a scum who comes off as scummy as Lammolde and is returning from a 5 year experience gap is probably preferring to distance from their partners traditionally by sticking to weak pushes rather than enter wifom territory by complimenting them. I believe again about
moderate
certainty this is an accurate deduction and we can flip Lammolde red D1 and it will spew Enchant Town.
Lammolde scum flip moderately implies Town!Enchant, and Lammolde is probably flipping scum.
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:41 pm
by Gamma Emerald
VOTE: lammolde
I'm sold
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:27 pm
by Bellaphant
@cat, it just felt very....dry? I'm used to being able to read you quickly and I think a lot of that is 'vibes'. I would've voted you but Maria's posting made me hesitate, and then I'm much happier just voting lammode. I think you are town now! Not sold on Maria.
Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:49 pm
by Lammolde
*Sits on computer*
*Reads text*
*Groans*
So, basically,
ALL
of my
posts
sentences are scummy in some way? Should i even go through them one by one and try to defend myself?
I find most of this an attack to my playstyle rather than me outright being scummy. And you even twisted my jokes and compliments to fit the read.
If i was really smart enough to make my every post with a (The word where you always have a clear hidden goal in mind) you would find ~2 posts that are scummy.
In post 82, Lammolde wrote:
I try to be honest and pragmatic as much as possible and look for motivation behind posts rather than personal opinions regarding the words in the posts.
Like i said here, i'm not fond of finding hidden meaning behind every uttered word. I look for meaning behind people's actions. If i wanted to i can twist every post made so far to make a scumread but that would be fake and forced.
I admit i wasn't planning on making anything bigger than low scumreads D1 and just observe reactions and getting to know people better while i finish warming up. If you want my thought process behind some of my sentences feel free to ask.
This is just my rant about my experience with games from a few years ago if you are interested (I think i'm playing the same so i didn't call Bella on metaing me with evidence from then):
Spoiler:
Basically i tried to play the same as both town as scum. When i was scum i never looked at the names of my partner(s) before N1 and honestly try to scumread people so i don't even need to pretend i am town. When i'm town i play normally. In 90% of the games people found my posts scummy regardless of my alignment and i get myself put on a lynch wagon by town scumreading me or scum looking for an easy mislynch. I also remember a game where scum defended me against the lynch and got me pocketed real good.
