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Considering we have SH and ribbie locked down for the next two days... I'd be surprised if Jason as a doctor could live that long.

Coolio. Good stuff today. Waiting on SH before vote.

Wraith wrote: 2. Jason claimed doctor, for no good reason, and remained alive today. He was not even roleblocked. FAKECLAIM ALERT

While my suspicion has increased as well, certainly not to the point of lynching jason, how do you know he wasn't RBed?

Also, Lowell is what I refer to as a "throw-away suspicion," meaning that he's mostly out there for being scummy with little actual evidence. He is easily interchangeable with you, Cons, and several people also have stated that you're scummy.

I think it's obvious now that there are two scumteams. Ribwich and Steven Hacking are on different scumteams, and I believe it's possible that Cons and Jason are scum partners, with the chainsaw defense we just saw there.

@KageLord PREDIT: Because he said he protected Fonz, and did not say he was roleblocked.

Wraith wrote:

Consigliere wrote:
I'm not seeing this Wraith...If Jason was on the first wagon, based on sens' claim, that means the odds are very much against his being scum...Even if he's on the second wagon, the odds are actually AGAINST him being scum as there are only 5/11 scum on that wagon according to sens...and if we take Benmage at face and he is right about ribwich, the odds are strongly against Jason being scum from my perspective.

I disagree.

1. With 5 scum on the Tragedy wagon, that leaves more of a chance of the repeat customers being the scum. We already have ribwich, and although Hiraki and Kagelord are also good suspects they were not on the Tragedy wagon. However, there is a flaw in this, that being that DemonHybrid, another scummy player, was also a repeat customer. However:

2. Jason claimed doctor, for no good reason, and remained alive today. He was not even roleblocked. FAKECLAIM ALERT

If he fakeclaimed the doc, why the hell wouldn't the real doc have come out?

Wraith wrote:He was not even roleblocked.

Would this have been shown?...there was only the 1 kill N1.

But like I said. We have days a couple nights...and I'd find it hard to see him survive that long. Compounded with the validity of your arguments. D5? Could very well be his hanging.

Consigliere wrote:If he fakeclaimed the doc, why the hell wouldn't the real doc have come out?

Woah WOah woah. Not necessary!!!! NOT YET

Wraith wrote:
2. Jason claimed doctor, for no good reason, and remained alive today. He was not even roleblocked. FAKECLAIM ALERT

Wait what?

Probably should've counterclaimed right off the bat. 1 scum for 1 doc is definitely worth it.

However now that we have 2 days of lynching scum...if there is a doc to counterclaim...please wait to D5.

Wraith wrote:Also, Lowell is what I refer to as a "throw-away suspicion," meaning that he's mostly out there for being scummy with little actual evidence. He is easily interchangeable with you, Cons, and several people also have stated that you're scummy.

I think it's obvious now that there are two scumteams. Ribwich and Steven Hacking are on different scumteams, and I believe it's possible that Cons and Jason are scum partners, with the chainsaw defense we just saw there.

@KageLord PREDIT: Because he said he protected Fonz, and did not say he was roleblocked.

If you believe sens' claim, like you seem to show you do, you realize how long the odds are that I am scum now based on his 2nd shot, don't you?

Sounds to me like you are squirming homey...considering from my viewpoint you are very highly mafia based on sens' claim and the odds.

Consigliere wrote:

Wraith wrote:

Consigliere wrote:
I'm not seeing this Wraith...If Jason was on the first wagon, based on sens' claim, that means the odds are very much against his being scum...Even if he's on the second wagon, the odds are actually AGAINST him being scum as there are only 5/11 scum on that wagon according to sens...and if we take Benmage at face and he is right about ribwich, the odds are strongly against Jason being scum from my perspective.

I disagree.

1. With 5 scum on the Tragedy wagon, that leaves more of a chance of the repeat customers being the scum. We already have ribwich, and although Hiraki and Kagelord are also good suspects they were not on the Tragedy wagon. However, there is a flaw in this, that being that DemonHybrid, another scummy player, was also a repeat customer. However:

2. Jason claimed doctor, for no good reason, and remained alive today. He was not even roleblocked. FAKECLAIM ALERT

If he fakeclaimed the doc, why the hell wouldn't the real doc have come out?

Do you really have to ask? So he wouldn't get sniffed out and murdered by the scumteam. Someone (Fonz?) specifically shouted for the real (if any) doctor to NOT counterclaim.

@Benmage: AFAIK if someone is roleblocked they are told they are roleblocked. So I am using meta to make my assumption.

@sotty: What do you need explained? THE CLAIMED DOCTOR LIVED AND WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.

Granted, I must say this happened to me myself recently (Gorrad's Favorite Fictional Characters Mafia) but the scum in that game were both trying to get me mislynched because I was a top suspect even after I claimed, and one team had a redirector, which they eventually used to make the vig eat me.

PREDIT 2: @Cons: Squirming? Scumhunting, buddy boy. And if you're accusing me of being scum then it's YOU who's squirming. Quite a few people think I'm obvtown.

How do you know he wasn't roleblocked?

sottyrulez wrote:How do you know he wasn't roleblocked?

I explained that on the line right above that. My meta is that people who are roleblocked are told they are roleblocked. I don't think I've been in a game where that wasn't the case.

So, of those on the Tragedy wagon, two of them (at most) would have been on the Mist wagon. We know one of them was likely ribwich. There is no guarantee that both scum from the Mist wagon were on the Tragedy wagon. However, if we assume this, then that means 3 scum lie among Steven (derp), diddin, Benmage (not likely), Lowell, and Wraith. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Steven is obvious. I've already expressed my opinion of Lowell. I need to re-read didden and Wraith. I've had Wraith pegged as town to this point.

Tragedy(12)- , diddin, , , , , Benmage, Lowell, Wraith,, ,

Holy P-edit Batman!!!

Wraith's insistence on going after Jason is reeking of scum trying to get the doc lynched. Not to mention he's a lot more active and a lot less "ZOMGYOUGUYSSUCK" than he was the last time I played with him. I don't want to lynch him for this change in play (Fonz already pointed out the detrimental effects of lynching a player for improving their play), but I'm definitely uneasy about the whole thing. And his defense of Lowell is noted.

Investigative roles yes. Protective roles generally don't get informed.

I should say "Of those scum on the Tragedy wagon"

Wraith wrote:

Consigliere wrote:

Wraith wrote:

Consigliere wrote:
I'm not seeing this Wraith...If Jason was on the first wagon, based on sens' claim, that means the odds are very much against his being scum...Even if he's on the second wagon, the odds are actually AGAINST him being scum as there are only 5/11 scum on that wagon according to sens...and if we take Benmage at face and he is right about ribwich, the odds are strongly against Jason being scum from my perspective.

I disagree.

1. With 5 scum on the Tragedy wagon, that leaves more of a chance of the repeat customers being the scum. We already have ribwich, and although Hiraki and Kagelord are also good suspects they were not on the Tragedy wagon. However, there is a flaw in this, that being that DemonHybrid, another scummy player, was also a repeat customer. However:

2. Jason claimed doctor, for no good reason, and remained alive today. He was not even roleblocked. FAKECLAIM ALERT

If he fakeclaimed the doc, why the hell wouldn't the real doc have come out?

Do you really have to ask? So he wouldn't get sniffed out and murdered by the scumteam. Someone (Fonz?) specifically shouted for the real (if any) doctor to NOT counterclaim.

@Benmage: AFAIK if someone is roleblocked they are told they are roleblocked. So I am using meta to make my assumption.

@sotty: What do you need explained? THE CLAIMED DOCTOR LIVED AND WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED.

Granted, I must say this happened to me myself recently (Gorrad's Favorite Fictional Characters Mafia) but the scum in that game were both trying to get me mislynched because I was a top suspect even after I claimed, and one team had a redirector, which they eventually used to make the vig eat me.

PREDIT 2: @Cons: Squirming? Scumhunting, buddy boy. And if you're accusing me of being scum then it's YOU who's squirming.

Quite a few people think I'm obvtown.

It doesn't matter to me what "quite a few people" think...It only matters to me what I think.

If Benmage is right on about ribwich, the odds are very long against Jason...and frankly, if your scenario of the doctor lying low is true, then that will be that eventually...I'll go ahead and take the position that unless Jason is countered, I'm not voting for him.

I'm a bit confused about the "Was Jason roleblocked?" discussion. The question isn't whether was roleblocked. It's whether whoever may have attempted to kill him was roleblocked, in which case it doesn't matter if anyone was informed because they wouldn't tell us. It's also possible that there are other protective roles out there and they saved his ass.

sottyrulez wrote:Investigative roles yes. Protective roles generally don't get informed.

This.

Or scum feared a watcher on a doc...lotsa wine as to why Jason lived. But if he's around on D5 we can retalk things over.

Mariyta wrote:So, of those on the Tragedy wagon, two of them (at most) would have been on the Mist wagon. We know one of them was likely ribwich. There is no guarantee that both scum from the Mist wagon were on the Tragedy wagon. However, if we assume this, then that means 3 scum lie among Steven (derp), diddin, Benmage (not likely), Lowell, and Wraith. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Steven is obvious. I've already expressed my opinion of Lowell. I need to re-read didden and Wraith. I've had Wraith pegged as town to this point.

Tragedy(12)-

Steven Hacking

, diddin,

boberz

,

Mariyta

,

jasonT1981

,

DemonHybrid

, Benmage, Lowell, Wraith,

ribwich

,

The Fonz

,

SensFan

Holy P-edit Batman!!!

Wraith's insistence on going after Jason is reeking of scum trying to get the doc lynched. Not to mention he's a lot more active and a lot less "ZOMGYOUGUYSSUCK" than he was the last time I played with him. I don't want to lynch him for this change in play (Fonz already pointed out the detrimental effects of lynching a player for improving their play), but I'm definitely uneasy about the whole thing. And his defense of Lowell is noted.

1. I don't want Jason lynched today. We have two scum IN THE BAG. Obviously in two days Jason's alignment will be even more obvious. I'm defending my scumreads.

2. You think I DEFENDED, Lowell? He's only slightly ahead of Cons in the "scummy dude" department, and while Cons may soon overtake him, I am by no means his greatest advocate.

3. Yeah, my play usually changes when I'm not DEFENDING MYSELF FROM JERK-FUCKS WHO FED ME MISINFORMATION AND LYNCHED ME FOR HAVING THAT MISINFORMATION

PREDIT: Then let's leave it at "Wraith suspects Jason. Insert my views on that suspicion (Bad/Good?). In two days it'll be more apparent anyways, plus that'll be a better time for a real doctor to counterclaim, if any, anyways."

So the moral of this whole story is "Jason, if you're alive D4, make sure your scum buddies kill you. Kthxbye."

Wraith wrote:

Consigliere wrote:
I'm not seeing this Wraith...If Jason was on the first wagon, based on sens' claim, that means the odds are very much against his being scum...Even if he's on the second wagon, the odds are actually AGAINST him being scum as there are only 5/11 scum on that wagon according to sens...and if we take Benmage at face and he is right about ribwich, the odds are strongly against Jason being scum from my perspective.

I disagree.

1. With 5 scum on the Tragedy wagon, that leaves more of a chance of the repeat customers being the scum. We already have ribwich, and although Hiraki and Kagelord are also good suspects they were not on the Tragedy wagon. However, there is a flaw in this, that being that DemonHybrid, another scummy player, was also a repeat customer. However:

2. Jason claimed doctor, for no good reason, and remained alive today. He was not even roleblocked. FAKECLAIM ALERT

^SHIT LIKE THIS IS WHY MAFIA WOULD CONSIDER LEAVING THE CLAIMED DOC ALIVE

I consider Wrath "knowing" that Jason wasn't roleblocked to be a scumslip.

Mariyta wrote:So the moral of this whole story is "Jason, if you're alive D4, make sure your scum buddies kill you. Kthxbye."

Think what you want. If I recall, other people were pushing to lynch Jason without the "he's lived a day after his claim" or "he was on both wagons that got sensed" parts to their case. So why is it you find scummy?

PREDIT: Which is why you're on my scumlist, buddy-boy. You've been pushing my lynch on crap cases since forever.

And since I've already confused myself by looking back at that big post, I'm going to summarize. I've italicized my tentative pick 3.

3 scum lie among these fine folks:, diddin, ,