In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?
This is a weak WIFOM argument. You did it so you can sit here and talk about how you'd never have done it as scum obviously.
See, that's scum employment of WIFOM. Observe what this post boils down to.
"You did a play that doesn't make sense for scum. But you're not town. Just cuz"
This is the WIFOM soup we learn to identify in Townie 101
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?
This is a weak WIFOM argument. You did it so you can sit here and talk about how you'd never have done it as scum obviously.
See, that's scum employment of WIFOM. Observe what this post boils down to.
"You did a play that doesn't make sense for scum. But you're not town. Just cuz"
This is the WIFOM soup we learn to identify in Townie 101
This "oh yeah but this could be scum making a nonsensical play that severely lowers their chance at winning lol" doesn't make an ounce of sense.
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.
This is such an absurd argument. We know by now that pitoli can only logically be partner with me, so if you actually did have a guilty on me, pitoli would be confirmed scum by the time I'm lynched. The only thing her claim could possibly change is peoples opinion of your fakeclaim - and yet you insist that she shouldn't claim. Just give me a single example of how mala's role information supposedly could be used by scum? It's complete nonsense.
Mala isn't claiming today. Once again, not pandering to scum. If SD wants to pressure a claim he'll do it himself
Good job ignoring my point and repeating yourself.
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?
This is a weak WIFOM argument. You did it so you can sit here and talk about how you'd never have done it as scum obviously.
See, that's scum employment of WIFOM. Observe what this post boils down to.
"You did a play that doesn't make sense for scum. But you're not town. Just cuz"
This is the WIFOM soup we learn to identify in Townie 101
The whole fucking point of WIFOM is that it applies both ways.
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?
This is a weak WIFOM argument. You did it so you can sit here and talk about how you'd never have done it as scum obviously.
See, that's scum employment of WIFOM. Observe what this post boils down to.
"You did a play that doesn't make sense for scum. But you're not town. Just cuz"
This is the WIFOM soup we learn to identify in Townie 101
This "oh yeah but this could be scum making a nonsensical play that severely lowers their chance at winning lol" doesn't make an ounce of sense.
It doesn't "lower your chance of winning".
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:00 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
Yep, I said that I would ignore you, and I did.
Right. Which is why scum love it.
1505: Bold statement. Why don't you address 1484 directly? Oh right you can't.
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:02 am
by buldermar
Which part of 1484 did I not address directly?
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:39 am
by buldermar
SD + pitoli = confirmed town for not hammering me, which means that Mala is as much confirmed scum as is orc.
Why did you want to lynch sd if you role copped him?
UNVOTE:
Makes sense that you'd pretend hesitate a bit first only to sheep orc with "sorry buldey I just don't believe you".
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:41 am
by AngryPidgeon
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:18 am
by Malakittens
Or .. It means you're scum who hasn't been hammered by your partner. That's a thought. I dislike when players don't look at all the possibilities.
Also, Buld, why do you constantly have to keep trying to discredit every freaken thing I say or do?
(rtheortial question^)
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:25 am
by SafetyDance
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:maybe mala IS a PR and maybe I've been PR reading her since day end yesterday I don't know man
Well that's convenient. Mala being a PR would be highly relevant because we can't set up spec without it. You've already affected any clear claims now when you interrupted mass-claim. If you are town, you are fucking this up big time.
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
look at this point in time the only possible scumteams are me/mala and buldermar/pitoli. Buld and pit all claimed VT. So setup wise, buld/pit being town makes no fucking sense. We have two neighbors (not masons), one miller in that neighbor, one watcher, and...nothing else. That seem logical to you?
Looks even more illogical with Mala having a PR. You know, if we all claimed VT you'd have been a uncc'ed PR and basically confirmed town! Why would town not want that. I can't understand this viewpoint.
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Buld had me as his strongest town read. When I PR claimed, he said that it should be obvious it was a fakeclaim. That seem logical to you?
Because you indicted him! What else was he meant to do?
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Your arguments don't actually make sense so I won't address them in-depth. My play day 2 was purposely shoddy. I said that already.
This is fantastic, I must remember to use it next time I'm at lylo, its totally water-tight.
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: I didn't want to lynch fery on day 1, but after she stated intent to self-hammer I didn't really have a choice. It was buld who pushed that lynch to the brink.
Bullshit.
Right from the off at the end of page one you were tunnelling Fery. Her self-vote was first mentioned on page 12 and she hammered herself on page 34. Over 3 days in time. Of fucking course you had a choice. You had a choice when you joined in the logorrhea.
In fact your whole day on her is bad. At the start she was definitely scummy then when Bulder got on the wagon and there was more traction, suddenly she was less scummy and then when you voted, it was all this "no, no, no, she's town, this is bad" crap. How else am I supposed to see this?
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Tomorrow is a formality, yes. I know who the scum are, and so should you by that time. I don't want mala to claim in case she is a PR and that gives scum more information to use with their night action. When buld flips scum, pit goes tomorrow without question. If you insist on having mala claim, go ahead, but you won't need it, and only tomorrow.
It's only a formality if I choose right and we don't mislynch. So again, Mala's claim is very important. Hiding a PR in lylo, there's no reason for this at all ESPECIALLY if tomorrow is a formality. It's like you say start by saying one thing and end with another. "It's a formality but...I want a claim to be hidden."
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Town aligned ninjas do not exist. It does not make sense with this setup. I didn't need to wait for Buldermar to claim VT because I have half a brain. You might.
If you had half a brain you would let bulder incriminate himself and not jump out and say he's scum before we had a chance to see all claims. If you had half a brain you would have waited to
show
town that's he's scum instead of having to
tell
us.
The fact that Mala has lurked and sniped from the sidelines and is just sheeping you, doesn't help the case that you aren't a team.
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Your statement was a question. Your question was based on the premise that I was town. Hence, you somehow knew I was town. Hence, you scumslipped. For instance, "Is your vagina wet?" is based on the premise that you have a vagina. This question does not make it in any way ambiguous that I think you have a vagina.
I think someone has sand up theirs.
It was a question based on if you are town because if you are scum breaking rules then I couldn't care about you losing the game for that side because I'm not scum!
In post 1484, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:None of my play makes sense from a scum angle. If Buld were town, I could easily have pushed for a mislynch on you. Buld would have sheeped me all the way. Why would I fakeclaim? Why would I purposely make my play suspect by refusing to let mala claim?
It makes perfect sense if you're scum with Mala, started the day wanting to fake-claim and got in before we had a chance to see all mass-claim.
In post 1479, SafetyDance wrote:Tell me (and I'd love to hear Bulder's version too) how building the foundations early on to get a town-player to self-hammer, helped the town?
I was convinced she was scum.
You 180'd after white-knighting her. In fact the whole day's play can be pinned onto 1 post, #259 which is you basically OMGUS'ing her. It's rather strange.
In post 1172, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
Well that first point is pretty bullshit. There's no point keeping a suicidal player in town, no matter how good a scumhunter, she was basically pushed to the point of so much frustration. I also felt that town was getting far too bogged up towards her. The fact that BOTH wagons yesterday were on town means that something is off (and on that note it sort of clears me as scum because there isn't a single reason why I wouldn't have pushed for a fery lynch). It's okay, she's learned not to do that anymore.
We had over a week to go and you were talking to her constantly for over the other week. You could have just as easily said no, we're not lynching you and grow a pair, suicide is stupid. But yet....you voted. And again, you wouldn't know both wagons were on town day 1 unless you are scum.
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:31 am
by buldermar
In post 1513, SafetyDance wrote:So why the sudden reversal now and not before I spelt it out for you?
I thought it was quite obvious - even to you.
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:33 am
by Malakittens
So, Sd, who would you like to lynch today and why? Since you are litterally traction against a Buld lynch even though its pretty obvious he's scum being caught right now.
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:34 am
by buldermar
In post 1513, SafetyDance wrote:You 180'd after white-knighting her. In fact the whole day's play can be pinned onto 1 post, #259 which is you basically OMGUS'ing her. It's rather strange.
I'm not sure what it is you think is strange about post 259. Can you be more specific?
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:35 am
by buldermar
In post 1515, Malakittens wrote:So, Sd, who would you like to lynch today and why? Since you are litterally traction against a Buld lynch even though its pretty obvious he's scum being caught right now.
Why do you act as if there is more than two options when there isn't? (you don't have to answer)
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:55 am
by SafetyDance
In post 1515, Malakittens wrote:So, Sd, who would you like to lynch today and why? Since you are litterally traction against a Buld lynch even though its pretty obvious he's scum being caught right now.
How's it obvious? Orc's play doesn't come across as someone who has a town PR role and your play right not doesn't help be clear about your alignment. The fact that you did night speculation without your role/alignment included to prove bulder is scum is suss, the fact you've only bothered in the last couple of days to respond to bulder is suss. That fact you can be apathetic in lylo about trying to convince someone else is suss. I mean c'mon, if you're the other town then you'd have the exact same mindframe and understanding of my position, yet you're all-in on the bulder-scum wagon. Of course that rings alarm bells.
In post 1513, SafetyDance wrote:You 180'd after white-knighting her. In fact the whole day's play can be pinned onto 1 post, #259 which is you basically OMGUS'ing her. It's rather strange.
I'm not sure what it is you think is strange about post 259. Can you be more specific?
You went from WK to wanting to lynch her
Your votes was an OMGUS
That post basically started the inevitable suicide-fery push after Orc built the fery-scum foundations. If you two weren't cross-alignment now I'd say it was a perfect tag team.
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:59 am
by Malakittens
First off. He's tunneling which is a strong scum tell recently to me.
Secondly he's being hugely OMGUS and tryin to discredit everything I'm saying or Orci is saying. Please note he's trying to buddy both you and Pit in a way by callin you obv town because you didn't hammer to see if he can wiggle getting out of his noose.
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:03 am
by Malakittens
Wait ? When did I NK analysis? I believe that was Orci and not me. I did NK analysis to find out that you were the probable neighbor and that Pit could be town. I thought maybe I saw a crumb with Syr, but then I disregarded it because he didn't start off voting Pit which I would think would be proper play for a watcher conf-scum-result.
I believe I responded to a lot of people in Day 2 and not just Buld.
Why is the apathetic card coming into play?
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:07 am
by buldermar
In post 1518, SafetyDance wrote:You went from WK to wanting to lynch her
Your votes was an OMGUS
That post basically started the inevitable suicide-fery push after Orc built the fery-scum foundations. If you two weren't cross-alignment now I'd say it was a perfect tag team.
I still don't think I WK'ed her, as you put it, but I did go from not wanting to lynch her to wanting to lynch her. Is there something about the post or something else you want me to explain? I still don't get what it is that you think you're seing.
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:11 am
by buldermar
In post 1519, Malakittens wrote:Please note he's trying to buddy both you and Pit in a way by callin you obv town because you didn't hammer to see if he can wiggle getting out of his noose.
They are both confirmed town by not hammering me - am I supposed to act as if they're not?
Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:14 am
by SafetyDance
Sorry, that should be setup spec not nk spec, mainly here:
In post 1465, Malakittens wrote:There's a difference between tossing in silly roles and tossing in silly roles that are useful. When there's a watcher - there's no need for a town aligned ninja, but there is a need for a scum aligned ninja.
AP ins't the type of mod to say - hey I'm just going to put in a town ninja for laughs. He does balance, he likes to write up flavor.
Plus you literally admitted to being one so please lynch him guys.
In post 1520, Malakittens wrote:Wait ? When did I NK analysis? I believe that was Orci and not me. I did NK analysis to find out that you were the probable neighbor and that Pit could be town. I thought maybe I saw a crumb with Syr, but then I disregarded it because he didn't start off voting Pit which I would think would be proper play for a watcher conf-scum-result.
I believe I responded to a lot of people in Day 2 and not just Buld.
Why is the apathetic card coming into play?
How did you get Pitoli is town from Nero's ISO?
This strikes as apathetic and you haven't really said a whole lot until today:
In post 1518, SafetyDance wrote:You went from WK to wanting to lynch her
Your votes was an OMGUS
That post basically started the inevitable suicide-fery push after Orc built the fery-scum foundations. If you two weren't cross-alignment now I'd say it was a perfect tag team.
I still don't think I WK'ed her, as you put it,
but I did go from not wanting to lynch her to wanting to lynch her
. Is there something about the post or something else you want me to explain? I still don't get what it is that you think you're seing.
