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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:33 pm
by pieguyn
as much as I'd like to think that, my one completed game has taught me that people asking for replacement isn't a towntell orz

someone asked for replacement, Sakura over there replaced him, then she went and won as mafia. ask her =.=
Seanald wrote:Your next voided Lol. Everything your saying right now isn't convincing anyone
this post is scaring the shit out of me. though I can't quite explain why 0.0

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:34 pm
by Magua
Vote Count 2.10


With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Klick (6): Garuda, Seanald, pieguyn, 1baldeagle1, Harakiri, Klick
VoidedMafia (3): morph the cat, BBmolla, uʍop ǝpısdn
Nero Cain (3): Lord Mhork, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia
Lord Mhork (2): Nero Cain, Zdenek
morph the cat (1): Pyrotechnics
uʍop ǝpısdn (1): ProHawk
zMuffinMan (1): PeregrineV
Lost Butterfly (1): Lost Butterfly

Not Voting (2): Banakai, DoctorPepper

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, November 1st, at 2:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:
(expired on 2013-11-01 13:00:00)

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:37 pm
by Voidedmafia
In post 1497, Seanald wrote:Your next voided Lol. Everything your saying right now isn't convincing anyone
Funny how this is the first time you ever mention a read on me, much less a scumread. You don't get to piggyback off bald.

Pedit: scaring you as in "omg he may be/is right" or "omg he may be scummier than i thought" (or something along those lines)?

Also, I understand your concern but that post doesn't exactly sound like hissy-fit scum.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:38 pm
by morph the cat
Scum reads

Doctor Pepper


This is to some extent a wrong place, wrong time read, and IMO is the weakest of our scum reads for that reason.
In post 825, DoctorPepper wrote:Crap! Sorry guys, I have had no internet access for THREE whole days.

I am competing as a judge in a local debate tournament and there was no internet at home for some reason. Sorry guys.

Will catch up after the tourney ends. I'll read tomorrow and hopefully post the night after. My apologies.
Comes off apologetic, and has that "food tell" feel to it in that the post is as much about what he was doing instead of posting as it is about his plans to catch up.
In post 833, DoctorPepper wrote:Why is the deadline 15 hours? Didnt this start 3 days ago?
About an hour later he asks about the deadline change. So, he's doing some sort of catch up in the thread a day earlier than expected, or he's been caught up by buddies.
In post 1094, DoctorPepper wrote:Im only up to page 5. Would someone just be kind enough to recap? This might take a while

Though I will say this. Exactly what motivation does scum have in claiming they toom Investigation Immunity to keep it "away from scum"? Wouldnt it be easier to just shut up and not say anything as scum? LB is probs town for that imo.
This is posted on day 2. It's not the end of the world that someone couldn't catch up during the night phase, but he said he'd have time to catch up during that period in the first post above.

Then he goes on V/LA. He says he'll be around on the 23rd-24th. I'll be very interested to see if he makes a post between now and the 26th.


VoidedMafia


The scum vibe started with our first exchange.
In post 88, morph the cat wrote:
In post 86, Voidedmafia wrote:You aren't scum?
Unfortunately not.
In post 89, morph the cat wrote:
In post 86, Voidedmafia wrote:You aren't scum?
p much had to happen eventually.
In post 92, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 87, BBmolla wrote:Opposite team scum found.
Eh, don't see it.

Morph, don't lie to me. P-EDIT: We pretty much just were scum together. Sorry if I'm a little paranoid now.

pyro, bald: Or, yknow, she doesn't think that neighborizer needs to claim?

We've had three scum games as a hydra. We've won all three. But, they weren't awe inspiringly impressive wins for the most part. Well maybe that one game. Oh yeah Voided was our scumbuddy in that game. Still, though, declaring paranoia this early in the game with nothing on which to base it looks unusual. It's not like our meta was going to go unnoticed this game.

Nacho is going to tell me that it makes perfect sense for Voided to be this paranoid. And I'm going to point out that even I give Cabd time and room to actually do something I
can I freak out about before I start with the in-thread squinty eyes.
In post 108, Voidedmafia wrote:
In post 93, zMuffinMan wrote:voided is scum
Ha.

What'cha got, then?

P-EDIT: Vote me, now? That's not nice, Mina.

I largely adverted EV for myself. Had thought of the possibility for better people than me to get it, but largely for myself (and to make sure scum didn't advert or get it later).


Bald does have the sound of someone who's not used to larges and feels a bit over his head, but his recent posts don't make me think he's town.

ED2:
Vote: Prohawk


That's what you went for?


PE3: If you remember, I wasn't in it until the last couple nights of the game. Also, they didn't claim they had neighborzer until it was necessary to finish the stranglehold we already had on the game. So that's not even relevant, and I still don't see why whoever got it needs to claim now.

I don't see the purpose of your proposal, either, so.
This seemed either incredibly optimistic or just plain reasoning that a town player wouldn't come up with.

advertizing decreased the amount of money that could go to the auction on the same night, so given what we already know about the game mechanics, how would Voided feel that certain he could acquire EV? And why would town care if scum advertise it unless it's something we wanted to be purged from the availables asap?

- specifically where he voted ProHawk. It always catches my attention when a player whose posts are starting to sound town to me suddenly draws a vote, because the vote feels out of step, like the player doesn't realize that town sentiment is silently shifting as new stuff hits the thread.

In , this:
Voided wrote:But were any of those kill stopping abilities owned by town or even available N0? Were they available N1? No and yes. Furthermore, I do think that having some kind of flip to work with via lynches certainly helps solidify reads (either through how people got the lynch through, or just from the lynch alone). Doc protects are a good way to avoid losing more when a townie is accidentally lynch (so long as they protect correctly), but just because the ability's there and just because this is a large doesn't mean that no-lynching should always be an option in the back of our heads.

Besides, no-lynching in that situation is still stupid to me. Doing that and trying to make the most on short time is better than just doing nothing because we suddenly only had 3 days to do anything.
...read to me like he was upset with scum. With other-scum. Especially the first paragraph. I can't see town being annoyed about this.

Also this:
Voided wrote:I don't think PV-scum'd lose much by fishing for a partner N1, so long as it wasn't a blind toss. I would hope that if he is on a team they used other means to find scum last night. (and one in particular)
And in I felt like Voided was going after the lowest hanging fruit in his scum pile.


Seanald


This is more of a wtf read than a scum read I guess. As hard as it is to imagine town thinking that auctioning austerity measures is a good idea, it's even harder to imagine scum thinking it's a good idea to say you bought that crap.


Klick


This is where we've decided to put our vote today. We backed off this read yesterday and I regret it. So why are we scumreading Klick?
In post 459, Klick wrote:What the hell.

So, the game is already 19 pages long, and I only have three days to read it?

Is there anything in particular that I need to know?
^^ This is a crappy entrance. And 19 pages worth of game in three days is hardly a big deal.
In post 462, Klick wrote:VOTE: VoidedMafia
Then he puts down a naked vote. This, timing-wise felt like a bus.
In post 757, Klick wrote:Lol this is easy mode.

Scum are Voided, morph, Harakiri, probably guille, and if there are any more, they're in people who haven't posted much.

About to go to school but reasons will follow this up.
I'm willing to bet that there is at least one scum in this group, and I feel damn certain that it isn't Harakiri. guile was replaced by Pie and we're pretty happy with Pie as town atm. So, Voided is the one I'm most curious about.
In post 899, Klick wrote:I've never spent any money, ever.

VOTE: VoidedMafia
This might even be the truth, if it's his buddies who are doing the spending!
In post 967, Klick wrote:Reads based on today only:

TOWN: ProHawk, Mhork, Pyro
NULL: Muffin, Hara
SCUM: Voided, morph

I'm building up evidence for a nice case on morph that I'll eventually post, probably some time this game day.
What's the point of "today only" reads? I believe it lets you ignore the townie things your "scum reads" have done.
In post 915, Klick wrote:ProHawk's answer is pretty poor. He pretty clearly didn't think Hermy was obvious town.

I'd rather Voided not escape a lynch today, though. I'd support either.
Nacho already pointed this out but the 2nd paragraph's wording is awkward. He didn't say Voided is scummy, and he has yet to post even a shred of a case for his Voided vote on day 1 or day 2. Instead, he includes Voided in posts, like this one while attacking someone he's not trying to get lynched.
In post 1226, Klick wrote:So, I'm going to skip over the pages of the hydras that are hard to memorize "sorting" each other with meta from games I haven't read.

@bald: I'm not playing as well because this game is freaking fast and not pleasurable to play in.
This is a really subtle discredit of "the hydras", and it quietly fans the flames for other, more emphatically annoyed players.

The final note is meta. I've played two games with Klick. He was town in one and he was scum in one. Town Klick townhunts as hard as he scumhunts if not harder. He sees posts that he thinks have to be coming from a town perspective and he calls them. I haven't seen anything like that in this game. He's playing a tight, bottled-up game in some way and he's not looking for (and finding) town. His reads, including his town reads have none of the intuitive leaps that I saw in his town game.

I'd kinda like to hear from Empire if he agrees on this.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:48 pm
by Klick
Morph... I am having the exact same thoughts as I have in previously, just on a much shorter scale due to the lack of areas that I've been able to read in detail and the size of the game. I've also come to find that when I make the observations that I usually make,
I don't get listened to.
you want to know who's incredibly obvious town in this game? Mhork. Pyro. pie. Nero. LB. ProHawk. All six of them are very likely town to me, but the reasoning I use for about four of those is so different from the "normal" version of scum hunting that I've come to get ignored when I try. So, I quit.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:56 pm
by morph the cat
In post 1504, Klick wrote:Morph... I am having the exact same thoughts as I have in previously, just on a much shorter scale due to the lack of areas that I've been able to read in detail and the size of the game. I've also come to find that when I make the observations that I usually make,
I don't get listened to.
you want to know who's incredibly obvious town in this game? Mhork. Pyro. pie. Nero. LB. ProHawk. All six of them are very likely town to me, but the reasoning I use for about four of those is so different from the "normal" version of scum hunting that I've come to get ignored when I try. So, I quit.
Townhunting isn't much like scumhunting.

The only one of your reads there that really surprises me is Nero, but I need to read back through today's slapfight at some point.

What makes you think he's town?

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:09 pm
by ProHawk
Ffery, want to know what really worries me? The lack of any trajectory analysis. The chance of your slot being scum is increasing at an exponential rate. Nothing you have done here is indicative of what I have seen from town-game-Ffery.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:10 pm
by ProHawk
@Mod, my vote should be on Upside Down since a few posts of mine ago, unless you don't accept Upside Down as a legit name in which case I am not really sure how to type his name.


Vote counts 2.5 - 2.10 have been updated.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:23 pm
by Lost Butterfly
In post 1487, Cabd wrote:Ffery can quote this for ISO later stuck in class but klick that was unethical as fuck. PL speedlynch go!
Hey. Uh, no? Can we not lynch the guy who towntold pretty hard with that whole page. That'd own!

I didn't like his posts day 1, particularly the uh, fucking "here's my scumteam lol ez" post which felt fake confidence but I don't think he'd do what he just do as scum.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:24 pm
by Lost Butterfly
In fact, if I told you I was the ghost of marketplace mafia 3 future sent back to prevent you comitting this mistake would you unvote?

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:24 pm
by Lost Butterfly
In post 1500, pieguyn wrote:as much as I'd like to think that, my one completed game has taught me that people asking for replacement isn't a towntell orz
It has nothing to do with him asking for replacement. It's that he then retracted it after drawing heat
and self-voted
for the sake of giving the town money. Why would scum do that in his shoes? Retracting the replace-out due to shame, sure. But then wouldn't he be more prone to just stalling the game/trying to win us over?

p-edit: Ninja'd by me!

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:25 pm
by morph the cat
In post 1506, ProHawk wrote:Ffery, want to know what really worries me? The lack of any trajectory analysis. The chance of your slot being scum is increasing at an exponential rate. Nothing you have done here is indicative of what I have seen from town-game-Ffery.
I'm not ready to do trajectory analysis here yet. Well, I could work on day 1, but the extreme shortening of the day led to people putting down votes that weren't all that well supported in-thread. I think it's going to be a pile of mush.

The same thing may happen voluntarily today because MORE MONEY. But, tbh I'm still forming reads based on in-the-moment posts.

You didn't seem too concerned about my lack of trajectory analysis in cash cabd. It's not something I do exhaustively every day in every game.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:25 pm
by Lost Butterfly
In post 1475, Lost Butterfly wrote:...shut up, Faraday has been trolling the whole game. I'm allowed to do it for one post.
This is seriously anti town and you're making our hydra unpleasant to play with!

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:26 pm
by morph the cat
In post 1508, Lost Butterfly wrote:
In post 1487, Cabd wrote:Ffery can quote this for ISO later stuck in class but klick that was unethical as fuck. PL speedlynch go!
Hey. Uh, no? Can we not lynch the guy who towntold pretty hard with that whole page. That'd own!

I didn't like his posts day 1, particularly the uh, fucking "here's my scumteam lol ez" post which felt fake confidence but I don't think he'd do what he just do as scum.
We haven't put our vote down.

I was kind of mollified by his reach-out to me right after I posted that godawful wall, tbh. Hoping we can talk some more.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:29 pm
by morph the cat
well actually that's not true. Our vote is down on Voided. But we were thinking about moving it this afternoon when I first drafted said godawful wall.

LB who do you think we should be lynching today?

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:33 pm
by Lost Butterfly
Peregrine_falcon is also town.

Uh, let me get back to you on that. I have a bunch of town reads and am trying to process the "no strong opinion" ones into something more useful.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:41 pm
by morph the cat
In post 1515, Lost Butterfly wrote:Peregrine_falcon is also town.
Yeah. It was quite nice to get a town read on him, given he has neighborizer.


Also, cabd head (me) thinks that I've come up with a way to thwart most of the scum counter-measures to open townblock moneyplan formation.

It involves 2D6; strippers, and blackjack. But mostly the dice.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:41 pm
by morph the cat
Peregrine, harakiri, Pyro, Prohawk, Garuda, PieGuyn are my strongest town reads atm. baldeagle probably belongs there as well, but I'm kinda put off by his certainty.

I worry I've got scum in my strong townpile. I've downgraded zmuffin a step mostly out of paranoia.

This is changing almost by the page right now, and I'm not really sure how well my reads line up with Cabd's atm.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:50 pm
by ProHawk
Humm, I suppose you're right. Can you meta-dive zMuffinMan and tell me what you come up with?

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:08 pm
by zMuffinMan
morph wrote:As hard as it is to imagine town thinking that auctioning austerity measures is a good idea, it's even harder to imagine scum thinking it's a good idea to say you bought that crap.
it's nullish because he is either town who thinks it's a good idea (as evidenced by his posts from a couple pages ago), or he's scum who thinks it's a good idea for town (as evidenced by his posts from a couple pages ago). there is no other reason to publicly mention it, otherwise. this is why PV is wrong in saying it's necessarily scummy.
LB wrote:I didn't like his posts day 1, particularly the uh, fucking "here's my scumteam lol ez" post which felt fake confidence but I don't think he'd do what he just do as scum.
the "lol this is EZ" is part of why i've been townreading him for a while now. :/
morph wrote:I've downgraded zmuffin a step mostly out of paranoia.
would it help if i told you i'm town?

i'm town.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:11 pm
by morph the cat
In post 1518, ProHawk wrote:Humm, I suppose you're right. Can you meta-dive zMuffinMan and tell me what you come up with?
I will. Hopefully Cabd can as well.

This will be a first.

I misread your post initially and thought you were asking me to ISO zmuffin in this thread. So I did. I noticed a couple of small things.

@Zmuffin, it's not clear from your ISO when or why your read on baldeagle changed. What changed your mind?

Also, why did you exclude Banakai from the reads list you asked me to comment on?

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:13 pm
by Lost Butterfly
Hey, BBmolla when you read this can you pinkie promise that you're town.

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:18 pm
by pieguyn
why aren't you all quicklynching Klick

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:18 pm
by morph the cat
So I think adding randomness sufficiently allows us to still break the game even at 80% transfer rate. I'd like feedback on this plan from players that played the first two games, and anyone who enjoys mechanics breaking (hi nati)


So basically, you take the 6 most accepted globally townreads. Assign them each a number 1 to 6. Each player in the null/scum piles rolls their own D6 overnight. Those that roll an even number on their first roll transfer money. Those that roll an odd number use their money to advertise things that are assigned to town to advertise, as an even spread. Those that rolled to transfer money then roll a second D6, and the number they roll is who they transfer money to.



So let's take the example of town agreeing to advertise abilities A thru E tonight. I'm in the null pile but town, so I follow along. I roll my first D6 and roll an odd number. I have 50 dollars. I then advertise 10 dollars each on A thru E.

Let's say I had drawn evens instead on my first roll. I go and look at the globally created townlist, and roll to decide who I send my money to. I then send my entire amount.

So long as town all follows this plan, the scum players won't be disruptive enough to entirely over-ride it, nor will their countermeasures be able to predict who exactly is doing what. Additionally, even if they kill from within the six, there's still money and power in the other five.

To Do List for Town before Lynching

A: Determine the core 6 players we want as designated money/ability recipients (nominate 6 players other than yourself please)
B: Determine what abilities we want advertised tonight
C: Powerfuck a scum PM into the dead thread asap once A and B

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:19 pm
by zMuffinMan
er... i wouldn't exactly say anything "changed" in my read on baldeagle. the only issue i really had with him was his initial posts about the setup sounding really fake. i've had him as a sort of weak townread since some time later in D1. i don't remember speciifcally when, but it had to do with the way he was pushing his reads at the time and his general approach to the game. his posts today are most of the same.

and banakai is the only player i haven't formed a read on one way or the other. i didn't know where to put him in that list so i just left him out.