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Post Post #1500 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:44 pm

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Yeah yeah. Somebody here has to be town. You can't all be scumbags.
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Post Post #1501 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:44 pm

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EXCEPT YOU ARE AND I HATE YOU.
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Post Post #1502 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:53 pm

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DL who do you want to lynch?
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Post Post #1503 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:10 pm

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no one. I don't know.
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Post Post #1504 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:13 pm

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Actually, I kinda want to lynch titus. The vote hopping every time I voted was truly weird.
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Post Post #1505 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:19 pm

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Like, it seemed like she was trying to just go where I went. I was screaming about mastin, so she voted mastin. Then I was screaming about someone else so she unvoted, and voted something else I don't remember really I'm very tired at the moment.
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Post Post #1506 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:27 pm

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Uhh noo. I pushed Bro, you avoided Bro. I got paranoid of BB, you exhibited those symptoms. I am not following you. You are listening to the seed planted by Mastin scum.
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Post Post #1507 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:48 pm

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Okie dokie.
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Post Post #1508 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:54 pm

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once again, mastin is feeling. She doesn't do seed-planting anymore.
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Post Post #1509 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 5:55 pm

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What does that mean, daram?
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Post Post #1510 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:35 pm

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Post Post #1511 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:47 pm

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female, not feeling
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Post Post #1512 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:20 pm

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hah
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Post Post #1513 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:21 pm

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No I legit smiled though.

Mastin, what would be the lynching order to win us the game assuming you randomly were confirmed town?
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Post Post #1514 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:08 pm

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If Mastin has this game solved, he's doing a heck of a way of showing it. The proper response is to call out the scum team, let them come after you and lead to their own demise with your theory. The truth, if properly argued, should win out. Gambits and what not obscure the truth, hence why I hate them. Of course, mastin!scum would love a gambit or two...

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Post Post #1515 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:58 pm

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^You would think that, but then Anything Goes happened...

In all seriousness, mastin is misting super hard with this AtE/logic combo'd misdirect onto herself to misdirect on to me to push my mislynch through, which she knows she can then back out of b/c she knows that I'm an easy player to mislynch (especially relative to my read strength). This holds even more true given that she's out 1v1'd me before from the same positions.

Also, Titus, please try to make an effort to refer to mastin as "she," as that is her preferred gender pronoun. I get that you're probably not doing it intentionally (I've slipped up multiple times this game), but the only way you're gonna get it right is by making sure you get it right. If that makes sense.
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Post Post #1516 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:05 am

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Bro, I am trying to make that effort. Bad habits are hard to kick. She does deserve that though.

Do you have any reads other than Mastin? What do you think of Molla?
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Post Post #1517 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:08 am

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Need noop
I'll give you a moment to let that sink in
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Post Post #1518 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:12 am

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Oh and yes I'm town. I could (kinda) prove it now but that would be a waste.
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Post Post #1519 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:03 am

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In post 1518, ActionDan wrote:Oh and yes I'm town. I could (kinda) prove it now but that would be a waste.
No it wouldnt if it confirms both you and another.

Do it.
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Post Post #1520 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:07 am

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Probably just let AD sit pretty for the moment.
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Post Post #1521 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:31 am

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so I had a few extra minutes, and was looking over Dram's iso to find these mysterious scum hunting posts that mastin claims dram is doing and I saw something.
In post 669, dramonic wrote:On-topic, I might need to reevaluate this game. Usually town isn't supposed to be trying to line-up mislynches.
if you believe this then why are you guilty of it?
In post 726, dramonic wrote:When he flips town, will you help me get jake lynched?
see?

also why did you hammer somebody that you had town read for almost the entire game?

here is another funny thing. you accuse me of
In post 396, dramonic wrote:trying to get mislynch approval.
but isn't that basically what you did with Jiffy when you hammered SC?
In post 725, Majiffy wrote:Right well hammer SC and you'll be really shocked when he flips scum.

Because he will. Unquestionably.
In post 726, dramonic wrote:When he flips town, will you help me get jake lynched?
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Post Post #1522 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:32 am

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oops, forgot post 727
In post 727, Majiffy wrote:Probably not. But if he does, I'll look over Jake's ISO again.
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Post Post #1523 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:38 am

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@ mastin - you claim you are playing like your town self but help me out here.

your vote originally on SC was for terrible reasoning, and when asked for more reasoning you said you couldn't give it.

later you switched to bro but didn't really give a reason for that one either.

you go back to SC as the wagon was growing but you still had no good reason.

your vote on Surye was admitted sheeping.

how can you say this is "town mastin"?
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Post Post #1524 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:18 am

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In post 1478, Jake from State Farm wrote:oh well in that case maybe I should unvote you...
No.
In post 1479, Jake from State Farm wrote:Also mastin, it's not that im arrogant. It's that I'm paranoid. I rarely trust people in games so I feel following my own reads are better than possibly following scum.
That's not paranoia; that's arrogance. Paranoia = having townreads and listening to them, but not conftowning them and always reconsidering. Arrogance = having townreads, but ignoring their input in favor of self. You're latter as town, not former.
In post 1508, dramonic wrote:once again, mastin is feeling.
That's right: I'm a being of pure feeling. I feel others, and others feel me, for I am feeling itself.
She doesn't do seed-planting anymore.
Actually, I am. Just my seed-planting isn't for today. For tomorrow, after death.
In post 1513, BBmolla wrote:Mastin, what would be the lynching order to win us the game assuming you randomly were confirmed town?
Reads blur a bit. However:
BROseidon-->Titus/Jake-->Jake/Titus (fairly interchangeable)-->Esp-->Jiffy. (Jiffy included mostly as formality.)

Dan/ETL off the table as conftown. Dram off table as strongest townread. You're behind dram, about equal to Jiffy, actually, in that townread but not conftown. Honestly, will mostly trust Dan's read on you. If he thought you scum, you'd bump way up on my scumlist; if he's confident in you being town, you get bumped up to his tier of conftown.

Small problem with reads, though. Assuming my lynch. Assume worst-case of three scum. We don't have a mislynch after my death, when one might be needed to cover my list. Thus, my list is incomplete. (Blurred.) Wish it were foolproof, but isn't. If you want reiteration of each reach, I'll try best to give full description. (Can even break succinctness on request, but if not requested will keep it.)
In post 1514, Titus wrote:If Mastin has this game solved, she's doing a heck of a way of showing it. The proper response is to call out the scum team, let them come after you and lead to their own demise with your theory. The truth, if properly argued, should win out. Gambits and what not obscure the truth, hence why I hate them. Of course, mastin!scum would love a gambit or two...

Must resist the urge to tunnel... must resist.
I thought I had the game solved on D1. I didn't. Understandably, am reluctant to say I've done so now. But needlessly said, truth properly argued theoretically wins, but in practice rarely does, because humans aren't logical creatures; they're
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with emotions, opinions, and subjectivity that can bend reality. Thus, gambits can be employed to help. Not all gambits are stupid, derp, or anti-town. Just most. Mastin Gambit, because it's clearly defined and known, is not bad.

And for record: scuMastin does gamble, but during night, not day. ScuMastin's dayplay fairly conservative, with little to no whimsical spur-of-moment ideas. Including gambits. ScuMastin only day-gambits when either going for win or going for towncred.
In post 1515, BROseidon wrote:This holds even more true given that she's out 1v1'd me before from the same positions.
With a totally different approach. As scum, entered 1v1 fully expecting to win, ESPECIALLY given legitimate scumread on your slot. As town, entered explicitly losing. Because town-me is less competent than scum-me.
In post 1523, Jake from State Farm wrote:your vote originally on SC was for terrible reasoning, and when asked for more reasoning you said you couldn't give it.
Did best to give it. I couldn't explain it. And you know a scum-me is capable of explaining things, even BSing things that I don't believe. (Granted, can't
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later you switched to bro but didn't really give a reason for that one either.
This, can explain, though. I quoted BRO to essentially show (ffery's going to kill me) BRO's scum trajectory. If you extrapolated my words, you could maybe follow along. I knew that I should explain, though, and fully intended to try. Unfortunately, between time, distractions, and difficulty explaining, never did. Has since been explained, though.
how can you say this is "town mastin"?
Because everything you describe is signature town-Mastin. For instance? ScuMastin
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sheeps. ScuMastin always CREATES wagons. Never sheeping them. Dunno why, but that's always been true. Across all my scumgames throughout recent years, I don't remember ever sheeping anyone; I remember always trying to convince others to follow me. Could be subconscious desire to control game. Could be subconscious fear of being accused of opportunism. Could be some other random factor. Dunno why it happens, but it just does.
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