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In post 1494, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 1491, Just Sheep Us wrote:Yo ffery, is that you?

yep!

In post 1014, MastinSSK wrote:

In post 1011, AngryPidgeon wrote:Really mastin? My entry post was practically trust tell levels of town. Are we doing this right now?

No. We aren't. I'm past that point.

Like.

I really want to trust you.
Really want to believe you.
If not. If not trusting you. I want to enter into that debate.
Just so that at the end of it, I could go "Oh, fuck, he's actually town."
Really, really want to.

But I can't. Because...you're not. I want it to be true more than any other player, believe me. Yet...you aren't.

Like, normally, I'd give AP a day or two just on policy of AP being AP. Normally, I'd also be giving him that benefit of the doubt. Normally, I'd try hashing things out with him. Normally, I'd do a ton of stuff differently. But, well...I've never felt this way. That role reversal, of me being the one having seen the confscumness of a player, rather than being the player seen as confscum. Yet I know it's true. It simply...isn't the town AP. So this game, I'm the player who gets to say that line, that "You're scum, aren't you?" overwhelming feeling of sadness that the friend you know and respect is your enemy and you know they are.

Because it's true.

In post 1012, PeregrineV wrote:when you where scum as the birdinabath hydra, who did most of the posting? What did the QT look like?

AP's response is accurate; that game was mostly him, with little QT. But my read doesn't come from meta. (Okay, so past games may influence my overall perception, but they aren't driving it.) Not from that game or any other. My read comes from AP being AngryPidgeon, and everything I know about him is essentially saying that--while he's attempting to put on a strong show--this...just simply isn't his towngame.

In post 1499, Titan wrote:

In post 1496, Kagura wrote:

In post 1043, Titan wrote:But idk I kinda am "meh" about the rest of their posts, so irdk.

You're meh on the rest of out posts?

I was sort of hoping this could be the one game where we were so obviously town together where you didn't have to be paranoid off us, especially since bork has been killing it in the towniness department lately and I haven't been doing so badly myself.

I was super confused.

Then I looked back. That was Arthur.

In post 1151, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:Don't really give a shit. Nati has basically checked out of the game because of RL and not wanting to read this shit. His last post was 676 (last Friday) and prior to that 441 (last Tuesday). And considering I didn't even intend to play this game, and

I'm the head that nobody is ever going to town read no matter what I do, I've lost interest in even attempting to look town here.

I want this group of players to burn with fucking fire: {AP, despbro, foxhound, PV, GIF}. And I've been wanting this for a while

If you really want to try and lynch me, despbro, I'll 1v1 you tomorrow

Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 1494, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 1491, Just Sheep Us wrote:Yo ffery, is that you?

yep!

Woohoo! We haven't had a chance to connect this game.

First thing's first re: you.

Up through 24, I have you as peripheral to the core of the game (mastin/Titan/RDB/CF/FoxHound). I also have you as having soft-pushed a bit on CF, but otherwise largely not taking stances on people within that group, instead focusing on Nacho/bork and GiF, and I have Orc having voted you (I think in response to one of those pushes, or as a reachout).

So, I guess a few things:

Have you taken more solid positions on that core group+APslot?

How do you feel about your interactions with Orc this game?

In post 1504, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:CF less so, but it could be from feeling like my overall play style is in a state of flux and F-16's meta-based questioning of me gives me the feeling that I need to stay within my usual envelope, but it doesn't FIT.

In post 1503, Kagura wrote:

In post 1151, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:Don't really give a shit. Nati has basically checked out of the game because of RL and not wanting to read this shit. His last post was 676 (last Friday) and prior to that 441 (last Tuesday). And considering I didn't even intend to play this game, and

I'm the head that nobody is ever going to town read no matter what I do, I've lost interest in even attempting to look town here.

I want this group of players to burn with fucking fire: {AP, despbro, foxhound, PV, GIF}. And I've been wanting this for a while

If you really want to try and lynch me, despbro, I'll 1v1 you tomorrow

Where did this come from?

CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 1504, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:CF less so, but it could be from feeling like my overall play style is in a state of flux and F-16's meta-based questioning of me gives me the feeling that I need to stay within my usual envelope, but it doesn't FIT.

Ffery, what do you mean by this?

Also, you said that you are concerned Nacho hasn't approached you with his reads but I see you haven't either. You had similar concerns with me early game. Do you generally prefer to be approached for comparing notes as opposed to pro-actively asking it of others?

~ F-16

In post 1508, Kagura wrote:ALSO SHE THINKS BREAKFAST WITH STALIN IS A FUNNY NAME
I LIKED SCUMFUCK MORE

In post 1510, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 1504, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:CF less so, but it could be from feeling like my overall play style is in a state of flux and F-16's meta-based questioning of me gives me the feeling that I need to stay within my usual envelope, but it doesn't FIT.

Ffery, what do you mean by this?

Also, you said that you are concerned Nacho hasn't approached you with his reads but I see you haven't either. You had similar concerns with me early game. Do you generally prefer to be approached for comparing notes as opposed to pro-actively asking it of others?

~ F-16

Your post is actually a pretty good example of what I mean. What I generally prefer doesn't matter. I'm outside the general preferences envelope this game. You're apparently trying to tailor your interactions with me to what you think I should expect. For, me that's not the stuff reads are made of. The dance isn't choreographed in advance.

And I've actually reached out to nacho at least a couple times and haven't gotten much if anything in response.

In post 1508, Kagura wrote:I LIKED SCUMFUCK MORE

In post 1510, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:Your post is actually a pretty good example of what I mean. What I generally prefer doesn't matter. I'm outside the general preferences envelope this game. You're apparently trying to tailor your interactions with me to what you think I should expect. For, me that's not the stuff reads are made of. The dance isn't choreographed in advance.

And I've actually reached out to nacho at least a couple times and haven't gotten much if anything in response.

In post 1515, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 1508, Kagura wrote:I LIKED SCUMFUCK MORE

As I recall, your avatar said "Die, Scumfuck" at the time

But yeah, it was glorious for the one game where it lasted.

In post 1516, Just Sheep Us wrote:So, ffery, given your current read-state, how to you view the narrative of mastin/Titan/RDB/CF/FoxHound/AP/myself based on your reads (i.e., who's doing what in terms of actions?)

In post 1519, Kagura wrote:

In post 1515, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 1508, Kagura wrote:I LIKED SCUMFUCK MORE

As I recall, your avatar said "Die, Scumfuck" at the time

But yeah, it was glorious for the one game where it lasted.

It still does

In post 1517, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 1510, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:Your post is actually a pretty good example of what I mean.

What I generally prefer doesn't matter. I'm outside the general preferences envelope this game.

You're apparently trying to tailor your interactions with me to what you think I should expect. For, me that's not the stuff reads are made of. The dance isn't choreographed in advance.

And I've actually reached out to nacho at least a couple times and haven't gotten much if anything in response.

Actually, I've been doing the opposite of that. I mentioned earlier that I am not going to emulate what I did in previous games and refine my play to be as pro-town as I can and if it doesn't match expectations, then those expectations will have to shift. I am not sure how you got the exact opposite impression from what I am saying.

I am asking about your general preference because it seemed rather odd to ask why someone isn't comparing notes with you as opposed to just saying "

here are my reads, what are your thoughts?

" or just asking what I thought of player X etc. But, I can buy that staying aloof and waiting to see who approaches you helps you get reads on those players. Your preference matters because it will help in developing a read and to establish a baseline although I am going to see a few past games for this.

~ F-16

In post 1523, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:Good luck with that. I just said in the post that prompted your inquiries that my usual envelope doesn't FIT. You may find some signs of change in some recently completed games. I really don't know. I haven't been happy with results lately. Something needs fixing.