Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[Anatole Kuragin]

are you soft claiming to help condemn someone who is soft claiming

[MattP]

Anatole, you seemed sure there were three scum earlier.
Why?

15 players - if there are 4 scum we're fucked so I'm being optimistic I guess. 2 would be underpowered unless there's an SK which is not consistent with the night actions.

UNVOTE: SSK

If it's as obvious as you are acting, Reck, what would he lose from a claim?

We started with 12 players. There are 2 or 3 scum, most likely 3. We will be in lylo if we mislynch today

It's

pretty fucking obvious

what he's claiming based on his belief of Matt's claim, the lack of a kill, and his insistence on voting SSK.

What does the lack of a kill have anything to do with his claim or matt's tracker claim?

Anatole, it's very very clear what SPECIFIC role TSO is, at least to me. Why does he need to spell it out if there is some apparent grey area and there's no need to have scum be informed

I assume you're town, by the way. I think you, me and TSO are clearly town in this situation. I think farside is most likely town.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah I got confused looking at the player list.

If it's so obvious to everyone but me then there's no reason not to claim EXCEPT to avoid a CC.

[Csareo]

are you soft claiming to help condemn someone who is soft claiming

The information has nothing to do with my role PM.

[Csareo]

Anatole, it's very very clear what SPECIFIC role TSO is, at least to me. Why does he need to spell it out if there is some apparent grey area and there's no need to have scum be informed

Maybe to have town informed. I'm calling out a mountain of bullshit.

[Anatole Kuragin]

It made sense that he was claiming an investigative role until Reck's comment that the claim explained the lack of a kill along with Matt's tracking result but that doesn't make any sense.

[MattP]

Yeah I got confused looking at the player list.

If it's so obvious to everyone but me then there's no reason not to claim EXCEPT to avoid a CC.

It's not obvious to everyone.

Reck and I are just geniuses and so it obviously clicked.

There's only one role that he can be, and he is that role. I can direct you to a game I played with DGB where she was a role that she refused to claim in this sort of situation and I was stubborn as shit, and in hindsight I should have shut my mouth and let her do what she was doing. Scum don't know 100% what TSO is / for some reason it's not clicking for them (unless Reck is scum)? Then fantastic. Let them squirm.

[T S O]

It's really fucking obvious. It's not my fault if you don't get it.

I'm not fullclaiming.

[Csareo]

Let's make something crystal clear. If TSO is town, then he is going to die tonight. He is going, to die tonight.
Just say the fucking power role. I am calling bullshit. So much bullshit.

[Csareo]

There is absolutely no information besides "ssk is confscum" that indicates what your PR is.

[Csareo]

The ignorance. The all prevailing ignorance.
I'm certain the logic is only being denied, because it's falling on scum ears.

[MattP]

Let's make something crystal clear. If TSO is town, then he is going to die tonight. He is going, to die tonight.
Just say the fucking power role. I am calling bullshit. So much bullshit.

No he maybe won't. Me and TSO are equal threats, and his "question mark" role adds to the difficulty for scum. I am CONFIDENT TSO is telling the truth. I think a fullclaim is unnecessary and will ultimately just inform scum more than they necessarily need to be informed.

But Idk why I'm arguing with you

[Csareo]

It doesn't matter what his role is. What's important is whether or not he's lying about it.
Which is why he need's to be checked and possibly CC'd.

[Anatole Kuragin]

if you were an equal threat you would have information worth sharing by day 3

[Csareo]

Mattp, if you're scum, I will understand the shit being spewed out of your mouth. Only then would it make sense.

[Csareo]

And you ignored ALL my questions to you.
How does pushing an alternate wagon allign me as mafiassk's scumbuddy?

[Csareo]

Anatole, please vote until he claims.

[MattP]

if you were an equal threat you would have information worth sharing by day 3

That's entirely unrelated

Supposing MafiaSSK is scum then I correctly targeted last night. A follower is fairly useless with three scum, especially if two are goons. As the scum dwindle my role becomes more significant as scum have less avenues of who shall kill. TSO's role equally becomes more significant.

[Anatole Kuragin]

what does it matter caesar?

[T S O]

Yeah, Matt, thoughts on claiming results from previous nights?

[MattP]

There's nothing saying Flubber isn't scum and I just targeted him on a night when he had no action, either. My role is a soft power role early in the game. You know that.

Pedit: Huh, TSO?

[Csareo]

if you were an equal threat you would have information worth sharing by day 3

That's entirely unrelated

Supposing MafiaSSK is scum then I correctly targeted last night. A follower is fairly useless with three scum, especially if two are goons. As the scum dwindle my role becomes more significant as scum have less avenues of who shall kill. TSO's role equally becomes more significant.

It all seems to convenient to be true...
Save your scumbuddy, tell him to full claim.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm content waiting for SSK to confirm he did or did not submit a night action last night.

[MattP]

TSO, actually, you should claim your N1 target

[T S O]

Should I reveal my results from other nights?