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mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

In post 1499, Wisdom wrote:ive never faked cc nor will i ever

if im ccing its because i have what im ccing

Yeah... I really believe this.

In post 1500, Wisdom wrote:mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

In post 1503, Shadowlesscloud wrote:

In post 1500, Wisdom wrote:mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

His alignment card is was Wisdom CC...

Points that were made on the Mason Thread:

Alch pointed out that Gamma could be Werewolf 'cause Werewolf Mason Lover is illegal and she probably had to discard that card in order to be a Werewolf (I don't agree since Mason Lover could be looked like a not great ability regardless of alignment).

When I was saying that Vedith could be scum with Elsa (the three of us thought that Elsa was lying when Rely cced), Alch said that Vedith was on his town range.

I suggested to look whoever was townreading me on early game in order to look like mindmelding with Alch, 'cause he pointed out he was pretty sure I was town and then two or three players agreed with no explanation (Alch had a reason behind it, the other players didn't). Alch agreed, but we never went back to it 'cause Elsa happened.

Then A50 replaced in and automatically claimed his cards to us and suggested us to do the same. Both Alch and me said we didn't do that earlier because of the chance of someone being a Werewolf, but I had my suspicions on Allo and not Alch, so when A50 claimed I dismissed the idea of him being Werewolf because he risked being cced with his claim. He used Vanilla Cop as alignment and Survivor Mason as role. Alch used something I don't want to tell yet to see if someone else claims it 'cause it's a unique card.

Then I claimed saying that something I said earlier, "It seems off for me. But she could've gotten another better role than Mason maybe tho. I understand why you could think that Mason is not that good, I think that myself. I actually had no choice" was a crumb of the Compulsive Childkiller 'cause I wanted to be town and using the mason doctor card as alignment would make me chose between that anti town role or the silencer one which I thought it could be used badly if my reads were off.

Then A50 kept talking about Elsa because he didn't catch up and Alch and me were like "lol read the whole thing we're shaking in expectation". His reaction was hilarious. Then we talked about TTTT, Cloud and Rely not being Elsa's partner because of claims and TTTT's play which was very important to out Elsa. I included ofrhz in that list 'cause she outted info about the previous game that was helpful to catch Elsa too. Then we talked about Junko's replace out timing and then gave our read list. I'll put A50's readlist in another post to not make this one bigger.

In post 1503, Shadowlesscloud wrote:

In post 1500, Wisdom wrote:mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

Yeah, I said that I could be a Werewolf/Alien/3p etc too, I'm just not mafia confirmed. But I haven't said I'm town confirmed, did I? I'm just providing all the info I can so you guys realize Wisdom is lying.

And this were A50's reads before dying:

pinturicchio + Alchemist21
davesaz
Sakura Hana

Xtoxm
TemporalLich
Vedith
Irrelephant11

Shadowlesscloud
TTTT
ofrhz
Jingle

NotMySpamAccount + DoubtingThomas + Performer + Gamma Emerald + Blooper + Wisdom + Chemist1422

He added that he had the impression that brass replaced out 'cause he had a real life reason and that Junko replaced out because Elsa died (he also talked about Gamma replacement but that didn't go through), but that "these are mere speculations on my part and cannot be used to argue a case on any of them". That's the main reason I talked about looking over Wisdom but that it wasn't my read and that I thought he was townie, since I wouldn't use the replacement argument to build a case on him.

even if the mod himself confirmed youre a mason cop i would still not be lying because that isn't what i cc'd

mason doc*

In post 1489, Vedith wrote:Ah okay I see.
I think I believe Pintu.

In post 1501, Vedith wrote:

In post 1499, Wisdom wrote:ive never faked cc nor will i ever

if im ccing its because i have what im ccing

Yeah... I really believe this.

In post 1502, Vedith wrote:VOTE: Pintu

I really know that, as a player looking this from outside, it's difficult to decide which one of us is telling the truth and which one of us is lying, but jumping from one to the other with no reasoning on why you believe one or the other is not helpful

In post 1508, Wisdom wrote:even if the mod himself confirmed youre a mason cop i would still not be lying because that isn't what i cc'd

One more time: I haven't said once that I'm confirmed as not lying; I'm giving all the information that I can to the rest of the playerlist decide which one of us is lying. I'm saying it's you, you're saying it's me. I'm giving all the info I have because 1. In case it's helpful for someone to decide you're lying (and I know that as a fact so obviously I want them to realize that), or 2. In case I get lynched, I gave all the information I had in my hands so it can be looked after I die.

In post 1506, pinturicchio wrote:

In post 1503, Shadowlesscloud wrote:

In post 1500, Wisdom wrote:mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

Yeah, I said that I could be a Werewolf/Alien/3p etc too, I'm just not mafia confirmed. But I haven't said I'm town confirmed, did I? I'm just providing all the info I can so you guys realize Wisdom is lying.

Like, I said this two posts ago, why do you keep pushing the idea that I'm trying to make myself town confirmed and that it's a fact that you're lying?

I think Wisdom is trying to say your role means nothing as it's your alignment card he's counter claiming.
Meaning that one of you are not town here. Regardless of roles.

In post 1504, Vedith wrote:

In post 1503, Shadowlesscloud wrote:

In post 1500, Wisdom wrote:mason doc might be truthful
but its still scum

Actually this is true. Pintu only proved his ability, not his alignment.

His alignment card is was Wisdom CC...

Exactly so in reality, Pinto convincing us he is Mason doctor, not that hes town.

no, you said youre proving im lying
you arent

@pinto

In post 1513, Vedith wrote:I think Wisdom is trying to say your role means nothing as it's your alignment card he's counter claiming.
Meaning that one of you are not town here. Regardless of roles.

And I'm saying, for the third time, that I'm not implying that my role makes me town aligned. I never did say something even remotely close to that. I'm saying that Wisdom is lying with his CC, and I outted all the info I had, period.

In post 1515, Wisdom wrote:no, you said youre proving im lying
you arent

@pinto

4th time. I'm not. Show me where did I say I'm proving you're lying. I want the rest to realize you are lying, I'm not proving it.

this reads that the info youre providing somehow shows im lying
your info is related to your ability
ive ccd your alignment

In post 1517, pinturicchio wrote:

In post 1515, Wisdom wrote:no, you said youre proving im lying
you arent

@pinto

4th time. I'm not. Show me where did I say I'm proving you're lying.

I want the rest to realize you are lying, I'm not proving it.

Yes, I said it right here too. Making the rest realize you're lying is not proving it. You put that word in my rethoric to push the idea I wanted to prove myself as town in order to disregard everything I've posted. Nope. Not the case.

yeah whatever
done talking to you

Pintu definitely feels like the scum here, I think. Not ready to lynch though
Gamma has to play, I want more claims from scummy slots, etc

Are you trying to piss me off?

In post 1519, Wisdom wrote:this reads that the info youre providing somehow shows im lying
your info is related to your ability
ive ccd your alignment

I haven't said even once that the info I'm providing shows you're lying. To be more clear: I want people to realize you're lying, and I'm outting all the info I have in case that helps. That doesn't mean A implies B; I'm towning myself up, 'cause that's my job at this moment. Is it more clear now?