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In post 1493, Datisi wrote:

In post 1487, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 1484, Datisi wrote:I never said that. What I was referring to (and which struck me as odd) is that you listed out all the names Pret gave out as possible scumbuddies of mine. I think Town would be more likely to just name Pret's strongest SR (me) then to list a bunch of names out. Why did you a bit after listing them conclude that both kills were probably made by scum?

And how would that logic be still holding up if Creature were alive?

If it was a scum kill then at least one person in that list likely scum. Saying 'oh it must have been Datisi because that was Pret's strongest scum read' is very surface level.

And if Creature is still alive and scumreading me, then scum!me is going to do everything I can to look town. Since he was lynched, if I were scum I'd be breathing a huge sigh of relief right now.

Town!me isn't going to let another player's read on me effect how I play.

Do you think there's scum in that list? Who do you suspect?

And okay, but that logic could still only hold true if you were scum to begin with?

In post 1471, Menalque wrote:Like there isn’t enough there for me to have a solid read yet

I have some paranoia around SS mostly bc I felt like he was resisting everything I was trying to do D1 and I think normally we’ve worked quite cooperatively together? But still think he’s prob town

So that just leaves ddl but again, idk if scum!him leaves me alive after my D1 push

In post 1480, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1478, Menalque wrote:Had you already had the thought about 2 on 1 off?

No, I think that kind of unsupported VCA statement is garbage and a distraction.

I may read a specific player because I think their reasoning for being on or off the wagon did or didn't make sense, but trying to specifically hunt the scum who was off the wagon is a recipe for disaster.

In post 1497, Menalque wrote:It’s probably 2 on 1 off because of the wagon resistance on creature

In post 1496, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1494, AaronFrost wrote:It is though, assuming that he knows himself to be town. For someone who was off the wagon, it would be a 25% chance of hitting scum

No. It's only true if we are completely positive that it's 2-on 1-off, which we aren't. Just because that's the most likely scenario doesn't mean we can take it for granted.

In post 1499, Datisi wrote:

In post 1495, Menalque wrote:

In post 1485, Datisi wrote:

In post 1471, Menalque wrote:So that just leaves ddl but again, idk if scum!him leaves me alive after my D1 push

Pret was the only person besides yourself who actually ended up voting DDL, and he's dead. Any reason you don't mention it/take it into account?

Plus, not like your DDL push was that hard (or working). S'there a reason to think scum!DDL fear-kills you like that?

I forgot about that, but I still think ddl would want to kill me over FL bc I think FL was more preoccupied with you than with him

Also I think ddl probably knows me enough to know that a push not gaining ground is something I’m likely to double down on pushing rather than forget about, and also bc he knows I can get pushes through

What’s your ddl read?

What do you think about my argument for why we should lynch off wagon?

You've played with DDL before?

Same as yesterday, disinterested nullish-Town.

I'm still thinking about it, I've never played a game that wasn't a Micro, I'm not yet familiar with VCA in this setting. Plus I'd like to revisit a couple of things from D1 properly, and I probably won't have time for that until Monday.

In post 1503, texcat wrote:

In post 1471, Menalque wrote:Like there isn’t enough there for me to have a solid read yet

I have some paranoia around SS mostly bc I felt like he was resisting everything I was trying to do D1 and I think normally we’ve worked quite cooperatively together? But still think he’s prob town

So that just leaves ddl but again, idk if scum!him leaves me alive after my D1 push

Or that's what scum!him wants you to think. Don't drink the wine.

In post 1507, Menalque wrote:Also, hmm

In post 1501, Menalque wrote:If all 3 scum are on wagon when we know it was being pushed by town (sally) then why was it so hard to get through

In post 1506, Something_Smart wrote:No I'm not being intentionally dense. The strongest wagon resistance to Creature was Creature himself, me, Pretentious, and you whom I townread. It was, by and large, TOWN resistance.

The fact that the wagon went through despite heavy town resistance should make it more likely than random that all 3 scum were on it, no?

In post 1510, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1501, Menalque wrote:If all 3 scum are on wagon when we know it was being pushed by town (sally) then why was it so hard to get through

How was it hard to get through? The wagon only sprung up because Creature wasn't posting, and the he started posting, and nobody batted an eyelash and he was lynched anyway.

Just because it took a lot of time doesn't mean it was hard. There was no counterwagon and almost nobody on the wagon made any effort to create one, pretty much sealing his fate.

In post 1509, Datisi wrote:

In post 1507, Menalque wrote:Also, hmm

hmm?

In post 1512, Menalque wrote:What do you think of ddl and tex independently at this point?

In post 1513, Menalque wrote:Also I think there was at least one effort to create a counterwagon on ddl and I thought on someone else too?

In post 1511, DrDolittle wrote:i am here ama

In post 1513, Menalque wrote:It felt like it was hard to get through, and I think generally wagons stalling out is indicative that they’re not easy wagons

In post 1461, alimdia wrote:V/LA from the 17th-18th of Dec

In post 1463, Datisi wrote:

In post 1455, alimdia wrote:Finally, I think the town gun should claim if they are a Night 1 or Night 2 gun. It's basically a innocent child if nobody CC's

Also I don't think we should have the Town gun out, at least not yet?

In post 1489, texcat wrote:

In post 1455, alimdia wrote:It sounds like if we lynch amrun and they flip town, then the people on both wagons are very likely to be at least 2 scum.

However, if we lynch amrun and they flip scum, then the people in both are unlikely to be scum, or at least only one.

Finally, I think the town gun should claim if they are a Night 1 or Night 2 gun. It's basically a innocent child if nobody CC's

I can't make heads nor tails of the first two sentences.

But the town gun should not claim. The only reason to claim would be if you were being lynched on the same day as your gun. Or perhaps they might claim if they were being lynched after they had used their shot.

In post 1500, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 1493, Datisi wrote:

In post 1487, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 1484, Datisi wrote:I never said that. What I was referring to (and which struck me as odd) is that you listed out all the names Pret gave out as possible scumbuddies of mine. I think Town would be more likely to just name Pret's strongest SR (me) then to list a bunch of names out. Why did you a bit after listing them conclude that both kills were probably made by scum?

And how would that logic be still holding up if Creature were alive?

If it was a scum kill then at least one person in that list likely scum. Saying 'oh it must have been Datisi because that was Pret's strongest scum read' is very surface level.

And if Creature is still alive and scumreading me, then scum!me is going to do everything I can to look town. Since he was lynched, if I were scum I'd be breathing a huge sigh of relief right now.

Town!me isn't going to let another player's read on me effect how I play.

Do you think there's scum in that list? Who do you suspect?

And okay, but that logic could still only hold true if you were scum to begin with?

I think it's likely. Right now I think Dogwatch is the most likely to flip scum. I don't like how she opened today by saying the Creature wagon was town motivated and the Amrun wagon was scum motivated despite most of the players on the Amrun wagon being on the Creature wagon.

Yeah I suppose that logic could hold true but I think it'd have a harder time faking it as scum.

In post 1513, Menalque wrote:Also I think there was at least one effort to create a counterwagon on ddl and I thought on someone else too?