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[LuckyLuciano]

@Profii, I was talking to Hectic on that one. I don't disagree with your point, but I think it makes more sense to add town and look town.

[LuckyLuciano]

I wholeheartedly agree, clidd. Also, just a heads up, none of the post tags work,

because you probably quoted it straight from your PT

, and they would be linked to posts in that PT (even if the post number doesn't exist).

Which also probably confirms Clidd and town, and I don't know how I feel about that happening the way it did...

[LuckyLuciano]

as town*

[clidd]

I wholeheartedly agree, clidd. Also, just a heads up, none of the post tags work, because you probably quoted it straight from your PT, and they would be linked to posts in that PT (even if the post number doesn't exist).

Give me a moment, I'll fix it.

[Hectic]

Compare what we could have this game:

• Mafia 1-shot Jailkeeper
  
• Mafia ???
  
• Mafia ???
  
• Watcher
  
• Babysitter
  
• Neighbouriser
  
• Neighbouriser Enabler
  
• Rolecop
  
• 6 VTS

To the RadiantCowbells game:

• Mafia Deputy
  
• Mafia Neigbouriser
  
• Mafia Goon
  
• Even-Night Vigilante
  
• Even-Night Vigilante
  
• Informed Gunsmith
  
• Odd-Night Jailkeeper
  
• 6 VTs

I'd argue the town power in the RC game is greater.

[Hectic]

I wholeheartedly agree, clidd. Also, just a heads up, none of the post tags work,

because you probably quoted it straight from your PT

, and they would be linked to posts in that PT (even if the post number doesn't exist).

Which also probably confirms Clidd and town, and I don't know how I feel about that happening the way it did...

Yeah, kinda awkward lol

clidd, do you ever request solo PTs as scum?

[LuckyLuciano]

There also wasn't an enabler tied to the mafia neighborizer.

[clidd]

Fixed:

Spoiler:

- 44, 52, 69, 78 - Relaxed tone, very similar to the experiences I had with other players in past games, especially when the individual is used to making comments in this format. I don't know exactly if this is a characteristic of her playstyle, but it seemed to me something genuine and linked to a noticeable towny calm, unlike the scum mentality that tries to simulate a fictional peace of mind to win the empathy of others with periodic AtE methods.

- 114, 127 - I agree with the premise that those who excessively force jokes about being from the scum alignment tend to really be approaching their role in a comical way under the guise of wifom, and may also be to camouflage nervousness and tension of being at a numerical disadvantage compared to town alignment.

- 133 - Interesting theory about Scum!Wake being trying to win towncred by conveying the need for meta-dives with little content in the game (14), but this speculation is not so accurate as it does not fully encompass Wake's motivation, as it is still plausible that the will discriminated on post 20 is an interpersonal manifestation of Town!Wake trying to get more meaningfully involved with the playerlist, or at least leave the feeling of

''if you play according to scum-meta, you will eventually be caught''

. I suppose, therefore, that it is something NAI in isolation.

- 234, 386, 939, 942, 965 - I can understand the reasoning she used to arrive at the inference of alignment of the slots mentioned in the time period in which these posts occurred, which for me suggests transparency of formulation in the reads and probably indicates approximation to the Town!Morning scenario inferring that, and not Scum!Morning trying to manipulate data/interpretations.

- 1005 - The retaliation against the SvS angle of wagons on the D1 is something that I sympathize with vehemence, not only because it is approaching my slot, but mainly because this theorization is basically an unfounded chain-lynch attempt that serves as a distraction from evaluation of the players who were voting for both wagons. I'm disappointed to see Aaron cogitating that.

- 1052, 1055, 1056 - I appreciated the comments highlighted in the sequence of these three posts. I believe that Scum!Morning would be more inclined to be negligent in issuing the analysis, because in the context in which it was scored, it was something of public benefit. It makes more sense Town!Morning trying to make data transparent to support her line of reasoning and facilitate the understanding of the eventualities in the transition between D1~D2.

Conclusion:

Due to the ease with which I understood and managed to follow the observations that Morning's reasoning proposed, I believe that there are optimistic chances that her slot is town.

[clidd]

I wholeheartedly agree, clidd. Also, just a heads up, none of the post tags work,

because you probably quoted it straight from your PT

, and they would be linked to posts in that PT (even if the post number doesn't exist).

Which also probably confirms Clidd and town, and I don't know how I feel about that happening the way it did...

Yeah, kinda awkward lol

clidd, do you ever request solo PTs as scum?

No, I started using PTs on Newbie 1992, to store observations and speculations. It's my "mental palace".

[Hectic]

Someone said something about scum avoiding the protective because they are scared of the watcher

Baloney

In a game where scum claim their PRs openly on day 1, they cherry pick kills to make you think that.

VOTE: wake88

You think Waka should've died despite Dave claiming he was a protective and was probably gonna be on Waka?

[Hectic]

Gamma Emerald: Ascetic Townie
Bobman: VT
profii: VT
Adorable: VT

This is my scum list.

Gamma > Bobman > profii > Adorable being in likelihood of scum

[profii]

Someone said something about scum avoiding the protective because they are scared of the watcher

Baloney

In a game where scum claim their PRs openly on day 1, they cherry pick kills to make you think that.

VOTE: wake88

You think Waka should've died despite Dave claiming he was a protective and was probably gonna be on Waka?

Why would I think the person I'm voting for should have died?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi Clidd. Why is Gamma still breathing?

Why do you care?

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's see this trend analysis.

Gamma, how have you played this game differently knowing you were an Ascetic Townie?

During Day 2 I tried to act like I was an active town PR to draw the nightkill or a scum PR

Also, what about my play screams Mafia to you, Lucky?

[LuckyLuciano]

Hi Clidd. Why is Gamma still breathing?

Why do you care?

Because I'm playing to my wincon? I'm not sure what kind of swigglesquat question this is supposed to be.

Let's see this trend analysis.

Gamma, how have you played this game differently knowing you were an Ascetic Townie?

During Day 2 I tried to act like I was an active town PR to draw the nightkill or a scum PR

Also, what about my play screams Mafia to you, Lucky?

I haven't even read your play. I'm just following the votes at this point.

[LuckyLuciano]

Also, I'm going to take a nap. Bye.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hectic, mechanically speaking, what do you think about the fact that Gamma didn't claim to be an Ascetic role on D1 ? wouldn't it be more collectively beneficial ? (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic)

See I would

normally

do that, but I felt like mixing it up a bit. So I posted the social distancing thing as an early crumb, rather than full claim. I didn’t think anyone here knew enough about me to reach the point of questioning my lack of initial claim but it’s interesting to see someone get to that point through an alternate route.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi Clidd. Why is Gamma still breathing?

Why do you care?

Because I'm playing to my wincon? I'm not sure what kind of swigglesquat question this is supposed to be.

Let's see this trend analysis.

Gamma, how have you played this game differently knowing you were an Ascetic Townie?

During Day 2 I tried to act like I was an active town PR to draw the nightkill or a scum PR

Also, what about my play screams Mafia to you, Lucky?

I haven't even read your play. I'm just following the votes at this point.

Also, I'm going to take a nap. Bye.

Dude I mean this politely as possible, but

fuck off

.

[clidd]

Gamma Emerald: Ascetic Townie
Bobman: VT
profii: VT
Adorable: VT

This is my scum list.

Gamma > Bobman > profii > Adorable being in likelihood of scum

I have something about Adorable being town too:

Spoiler:

- 795 - The way she positioned the representation of votes is suggestive. I believe it would be easier, in the sense of accessibility, to quote the post, but she felt the need to copy the content outside the standard format, not only to emphasize the votes and exclude non-relevant information, but also to adapt the visual simplification of the content so that she could read it while typing the little analysis. This suggests that she did not care to foresee what would be said, also indicating the lack of a predetermined scum-agenda after the replacement. Subtly towny.

- 830, 833, 842, 865 - The observations are not as expressive as I imagined of what she would be able to absorb when interpreting the time distance between the Chemist's posts, but only the fact that she was interested in following the chronology line of the slot's actions gives me the impression of a genuine resolute engagement attempt in the game. In my opinion, it is more plausible that this ''hunt'' in Chemist interactions is consistent with a town perspective, without information, than a scum perspective, which would probably be slower in the first interactions the moment she came in the game.

- 907 - This vote is predictable for any individual reading the ISO of Gamma, regardless of alignment. The reason is basically one: lack of content; NAI.

- 949 - I believe that upon correction or new information, Scum!Adorable would be more tempted to change her posture in relation to the disclosed pov, to try to make a development adherence for her reads. However, this was not the case. I feel a small amount of ignorance in this, but an ignorance coming from a stubborn perspective that is not concerned with creating a good impression, but rather staying true to the proposed line of reasoning. This better reflects the scenario of a Town!Adorable standing firm in its considerations, than a Scum!Adorable trying to show a fictional evolution.

- 1215 - I can follow and understand the process by which she arrived at the inferences about the slots mentioned in this post, which in my opinion is a significant indication of transparency, as I was unable to feel any cognitive distortion that characterizes a manipulative thinking that aims to reach an erroneous conclusion on purpose, or that interprets the data in a biased way. There are players with decent scums games that can emulate this, but they are minority and, most likely, Adorable is not one of them as her profile suggests.

Conclusion:

This slot gave me an impression very similar to the impression I got from Morning. I feel that she is potentially town too.

If we consider the scenario in which all PRs are TPRs, I believe that the game ends with Gamma> Bob> Profii. However, I find it difficult that none of the remaining scums tried to incorporate one of the important roles, as this apathy would eventually lead to systematic elimination between VTs and premature defeat.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the fact Gamma claimed Ascetic after I softed I was some kind of PR is very telling. I think he couldn't risk claiming regular VT, since if I had targetted and failed last night, that would make him confscum. I was also likely to target him if any kind of investigative since I've suspected him for the entire game.

So, I believe he's some kind of ascetic mafia rolecop/other PR, and he claimed the ascetic part of his role alone. I don't think he could've claimed an ascetic town PR as scum, since once again it doesn't make sense with the power level of the game; especially since I was implying I was

another

PR.

I very likely don’t post ANY crumb for ascetic if I am what you say I am.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, your logic on enabler + neighborizer both being town makes sense to nerf the town also explains why town!enabler + mafia!neighborizer makes sense to buff mafia. The death of the enabler may hurt mafia, but neighborizer isn't a mechanically empowering role for mafia anyway so there's not really a power loss for mafia when the enabler dies, but it does legitimize the neighborizer and makes them appear town in setup spec.

I'm saying the scum neighborizor is there for scum to try and add themselves into their own day talk if they fancy it

This is a stupid usage outside of situations involving PT Cop/Traffic Analyst

The proper way to play scum neighborizer is to try to pocket townies.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lucky I think you’re Town but you’re playing a shit game rn. You’re projecting a lot of confidence in your VCA and the idea that my fake L-1 was suspect (which btw I’m kinda doubly pissed about that specific thing) when I wouldn’t ever call those conclusive evidence myself.
Read the game, or tone it down.

[clidd]

Hey Gamma, can I see your reads ?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you, Lucky, MT and Wake are Town, our of these I feel least strongly on Wake just because it’s pretty much just because of the role

I don’t have any leads on who is scum but I can probably figure it out through a mix of PoE and scumhunting at this point

I just need to actually do that

[Morning Tweet]

If we consider the scenario in which all PRs are TPRs, I believe that the game ends with Gamma> Bob> Profii. However, I find it difficult that none of the remaining scums tried to incorporate one of the important roles, as this apathy would eventually lead to systematic elimination between VTs and premature defeat.

This is where i'm at rn. This + Gamma's claim makes me think we have it PoE'd

great likelihood of a scum bussing tictac-Chem + The d2 pivot to Aaron-Creature + Gamma's claim!! causes me to feel very strongly feel gamma is scum here, both readswise and mechanically

Gamma's recent posting causes me paranoia that i could have the setup balance wrong here though

Watcher + Babysitter + Rolecop + Neighbourizer + Neighbourizer Enabler fits as far as i know. Babysitter explains how watcher and a protective can coexist. Dave's role completed the setup in a way that seems like it wouldve been hard to come up with

If instead Wake or dave-Lucky IS actually scum in the PRs, i'd say dave because Wake's gambit makes 0 sense for a scum player to do outside of WIFOM. But i find this unlikely because of dave's anger and his weird stance on
being unlynchable solely on the grounds that he is a protective. My prior townread on Wake was pretty huge from d1

Gamma's sudden reaction to Lucky still concerns me. AtE is something im not strong reading

I think you, Lucky, MT and Wake are Town, our of these I feel least strongly on Wake just because it’s pretty much just because of the role

I don’t have any leads on who is scum but I can probably figure it out through a mix of PoE and scumhunting at this point

I just need to actually do that

Please do, it'd be really helpful