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In post 1487, PenguinPower wrote:The above is true on all three counts.

In post 1501, April Ludgate wrote:I feel like I should be one of Votato’s top town reads, so that does give me pause.

But regardless, in my head he’s likely a day 2 lynch

In post 1503, April Ludgate wrote:buddies are gross

In post 1498, votato wrote:

In post 1497, farside22 wrote:*pats unicorn*
Its okay. I feel pretty sure your scum based on a lot of your wishy washy responses. You are very lucky I'm not feeling doing my best not to tunnel you. But if that vote count turns to you, I will be there so fast.

may i ask where you just patted me?

In post 1496, votato wrote:My SRs are weaker than my TRs so far. the main reason i SR BS is that his ISO reads like hyperactive lurking. There are a whole lot of posts, but little analysis and little in the way of reads or analysis. Mostly he has been focused on me all day, which is OK i suppose, except that he seems to generally town-read me and believes my roleclaim.

In post 1162, Blatant Scum wrote:

In post 1152, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 1129, Blatant Scum wrote:I have seen town players play very similar to Dunn's playstyle.
Votato is no longer confirmable. I think he is an "optimal mislynch".

Is that due to how the wagons and game stalled, or simply your read on votato?

I think Votato's claim is towny. Yes, I read Penguin's ISO. I called him "optimal mislynch" because:
1) I wanted to be quoted
2) People still scumread him and he is basically unconfirmable.

he might not stand by the optimal mislynch part, but he still thinks my claim is towny. if so, why hasnt he explored any other possible scum.

In post 1032, Blatant Scum wrote:I would love if today's lynch were in {jjh927, mastina, Conspire, chemist1422, Calvin and Hobbes, PenguinPower, Dunnstral, Dr Easy Bake, Creature}.

he's ok with lynching half the lobby?

BS: who are your other scum reads? why havent you put any effort into engaging them or pressuring them?

In post 1504, votato wrote:

In post 1503, April Ludgate wrote:buddies are gross

you love gross things

In post 1505, farside22 wrote:

In post 1498, votato wrote:

In post 1497, farside22 wrote:*pats unicorn*
Its okay. I feel pretty sure your scum based on a lot of your wishy washy responses. You are very lucky I'm not feeling doing my best not to tunnel you. But if that vote count turns to you, I will be there so fast.

may i ask where you just patted me?

On the horn.

In post 1497, farside22 wrote:*pats unicorn*
Its okay. I feel pretty sure your scum based on a lot of your wishy washy responses.

You are very lucky I'm not feeling doing my best not to tunnel you. But if that vote count turns to you, I will be there so fast.

In post 1482, Clover Ebi wrote:

In post 988, Dr Easy Bake wrote:Anyway, this is what I got right now

jj town
conspire scum
April lean town
Penguin lean town
clover lean scum
Blatant Scum scum
votaytoh lean scum
Calvin lean town, failed mason claim imo, but not scum indicative necessarily.

Before this post he had mostly filler posting that wasn't really anything to blink at. You could see traces of what you'd expect but this list just doesn't seem genuine to me? With no reasoning I don't see how he got this list. I can't really prove much on this because he doesn't give any reasons that I can dig into, so it's more gut.

In post 1127, Dr Easy Bake wrote:

In post 1110, Birds and the Boys wrote:if ur not voting chemist ur just helping the scum team.

which is fine for holden but the rest of you know better.

VOTE: chemist

~fire

If I missed it, my bad, but I don't see where you ACTUALLY GIVE A DAMN REASON BEHIND THIS!

This feels like a strong overreaction

In post 998, Dr Easy Bake wrote:Lol wait did I actually hammer BS?

I think he's playing dumb with this post. It seems pretty forced. Like he's trying to have a casual air in his posting.

HoldenGolden - active, townleader,

claim(s)

In post 1491, votato wrote:I have some stronger town reads. My top scum reads are PP (waiting for confirmation), dunn, and BS. Still a whole lot of people I'm having trouble figuring out. jjh and birds are my strongest townreads.

In post 1507, votato wrote:BS: could you elaborate more on calvin & hobbes? i just read your iso and didnt see that much

In post 1514, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 1491, votato wrote:I have some stronger town reads. My top scum reads are PP (waiting for confirmation), dunn, and BS. Still a whole lot of people I'm having trouble figuring out. jjh and birds are my strongest townreads.

Oh yeah
UNVOTE: VOTE: Votato

You aren't allowed to not take me up on my offer to explain the PP read awhile ago just to pick it back up pages later and assimilate my reasoning on the slot as your own.

In post 1510, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 1497, farside22 wrote:*pats unicorn*
Its okay. I feel pretty sure your scum based on a lot of your wishy washy responses.

You are very lucky I'm not feeling doing my best not to tunnel you. But if that vote count turns to you, I will be there so fast.

Votato is this banter from Farside normal given your playing experience with them?

In post 984, votato wrote:i've repeatedly said i think its a bit early to have solid reads on people. But that said, I don't think the people asking for my reads really care about the reads, and are using them to test me. Here are some thoughts anyway.

PP: posting has been a bit strange. Some of the reactions seem forced, and he seems too eager to put pressure on me/lynch me.

conspire: i think this is where the wagon came from, and while I definitely dont townread conspire the vote wasnt opportunistic, so even if scum, this isnt the scum I'm looking for.
farside: townread her. she seems a bit fence-sitty on the wagon, both defending and attacking me, but i think its her trying to keep an open mind and remain objective. Because of our history, i townread her for that, although i suppose it could just as easily be that she is pretending to keep an open mind as scum.
april: similar to farside, but without any personal history. She gets townpoints for taking the time to read and understand my posts rather than just assume everything questionable is scummy.
dunnstral: this is probably the scummiest. first post in thread: puts someone at L-1. Second post in thread: unvotes, because he isnt "feeling this lynch". I'd say this is a good option for a wagon.
BS: we've been over this previously. the lack of contribution yet wanting to push for claims seems not town-aligned, but other people who know him better seem not to think much of it.
mastina: null
holden: seems the most opportunistic. was a late-comer to the wagon, and suddenly became very aggressive. Not sure how to interpret that alignment-wise.
im sure im missing some people here, but i went back through quite a lot of pages looking for votes.

Am I the only one who doesnt think much of Dr. Easy Bake's catch-up?

In post 1396, votato wrote:also, it seems really strange to include a role that has the capacity to be mod-confirmed day 1, and has incentive do to it so easily that when theres even the slightest amount of pressure, with no wagon, the player claims.

In post 1518, April Ludgate wrote:Votato wagon is for tomorrow.

Have some damn patience.

In post 1518, April Ludgate wrote:Votato wagon is for tomorrow.

Have some damn patience.

In post 1519, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 1396, votato wrote:also, it seems really strange to include a role that has the capacity to be mod-confirmed day 1, and has incentive do to it so easily that when theres even the slightest amount of pressure, with no wagon, the player claims.

I will concede that, rereading, this point with pingu is your own. Though my issue of me having to spark your motivation to consider a player you had what I assumed to be a scum lean without declaring a scum lean is still there.

In post 1493, votato wrote:

In post 1485, Bingle wrote:

In post 1328, Creature wrote:Where did it come from?

My townreads. I'm not including myself because honestly half of this playerlist would doubt I was town if the mod confirmed it. Also, Penguin is half of this player list now.

what does that mean? are you implying you can also be confirmed town? are you implying that we shouldnt trust penguin even if penguin is confirmed?

In post 1522, votato wrote:

In post 1519, HoldenGolden wrote:

In post 1396, votato wrote:also, it seems really strange to include a role that has the capacity to be mod-confirmed day 1, and has incentive do to it so easily that when theres even the slightest amount of pressure, with no wagon, the player claims.

I will concede that, rereading, this point with pingu is your own. Though my issue of me having to spark your motivation to consider a player you had what I assumed to be a scum lean without declaring a scum lean is still there.

i think if you read through my ISO you'll find more than just the one interaction with PP. it takes more than one interaction to convince someone to tunnel you this hard. I dunno, i guess i should have been more explicit? Im wary of pressuring people who are pressuring me, because in my experience it leads to counterproductive catfights. and im really not very catty. as it turns out though, i was right not to apply more pressure to PP. the pressure already applied led to a pretty serious tunnel. For a while i was really wary of saying anything since everything i said got scumread, and it seemed like the universal consensus was that im scum. I poked a couple of hornet's nests and lost my confidence. I think i have a slightly better feel for the game now, although I'm still struggling to read a lot of people, since people like bingle and creature seem to be more or less unreadable and there are a bunch of inactives. And then theres someone like HG who i keep going back and forth on.

the birds read is a metaread based on firebringer. i realize that the hydra has four heads, but about half the posts are his, and the rest seem to come from a similar place. they also seem to see the game the same way i do, for the most part.

moonlogic? probably.