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In post 221, stungun0404 wrote:

In post 108, geraintm wrote:

In post 102, notscience wrote:You’re a towel

so very very useful?

I don't get to look at mafia much at the weekends, 5 pages of I have no clue what arguing about ?

Glad I am missing it...

you all do you, i'm going to wait until things become more clear

Stalling is anti-town, so no don't wait, try to get others to produce content instead by asking questions and engaging them in discussion. Scum, from my experience, stall frequently, so this officially puts you on my radar. Town should never feel like they can just wait on others to produce content in their absence.

In post 240, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Geraintm

Absolutely nothing in their ISO thus far points to scumhunting, and I do not like that. Especially paired together with their commitment to stalling that they admitted to in 108 by saying "you all do you, i'm going to wait until things become more clear."

That does not settle right with me at all.

In post 266, stungun0404 wrote:

In post 252, geraintm wrote:

In post 240, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Geraintm

Absolutely nothing in their ISO thus far points to scumhunting, and I do not like that. Especially paired together with their commitment to stalling that they admitted to in 108 by saying "you all do you, i'm going to wait until things become more clear."

That does not settle right with me at all.

I have nothing at the moment. day 1 people talk but it doesn't mean anything. votes are the important thing and there just haven't been many so far. I'm very much the type of person who looks at people's voting patterns and trying to either spot inconsistencies or really, really bad logic used to justify them

when I say you all do you, it is just me saying I don't have the mental capacity to argue over perceived slights, misunderstandings or whatever

Fervently disagree with D1 meaning nothing, and the reason why is because I have formed my best reads historically off D1 insights. It is possible to find an entire scum team on D1, and in that regard time has proven that my D1 reads are often my best of any day phase.

Why can't you read votes that have already occurred in this day phase and analyze them?

In post 386, stungun0404 wrote:GC has a fair point, geraintm is still voting not science based off RVS reasoning, which is just a very lazy vote park that is not seemingly going to get us anywhere this day phase. I'm not real fond of it.

If he's town, it's as though he is playing a scared game, and I also don't really like that. If he is scum, it makes sense; he wants to stay in the background.

@GC: if you had to guess, what do you think geraintm's alignment is?

In post 592, stungun0404 wrote:So far, I feel good in asserting these players as more likely town than not: Not Science, farside, Dr. Pepper, Mala
Gut is also leaning town with Bob.

That means I think in all likelihood all scum have to be in this group of 7 players {NM,

geraintm

, GC, HK, Dunnstral, votato, BM}

In post 712, stungun0404 wrote:@HK: I like that you responded. The one alternative scenario right now where I can see you are town would mean to me a scum team of BM/Clidd-Votato-and

Geraintm

. Like, I really feel good enough about everyone else to assert that I feel fairly confident that all 4 scum are in those 4 folks, with BM and Votato being a super obvious pair. I can't see those two not being partners. Too much of a clear link to be coincidental.

It would be only after those 4 are lynched that I would want to see a potential Dunnstral/nm lynch.

I really want your response to this though:

In post 669, stungun0404 wrote: @HK50, how do you feel about the alignments of Clidd and Votato? And why?

I will respond to the rest of your case either tomorrow or the following day.

In post 789, stungun0404 wrote:my reads, based off a combination of feel and reasoning.

titanium-strong town reads: bob, dr. pepper
solid town reads, but not beyond doubt: farside, notscience, malakittens
likely town: nm
nulltown: Dunnstral (this is notably my weakest town indication though)

minus associations and all the other stuff i have been pondering, here is how i would rate the others based strictly off the assumption that anyone could be partnered with anyone:

null: votato, gc

scumleans:

geraintm

, hk50

strongest scumread: clidd/bm

In post 1048, stungun0404 wrote:Thank you Porkens for claiming!

A question to everyone then: if today's lynch is not Porkens, who else would you be willing to lynch this day phase?

Maybe then we can get a full perspective on who the best alternatives could be to a Porkens lynch. Because otherwise I don't see a lot of unity occurring among us if we start getting town indications from Porkens (which he still should try to give us, but in the meantime this is what we can ideally obtain).

For me, I would prefer HK if not Porkens, but also am open to lynching

gera

, or GC (GC I only say this because I am confident one of you or Porkens is scum, and therefore I am open to lynching either of you if it comes to that, but you are at the bottom of my list of 4 players right now as it stands).

Also, anybody feel free to raise objections to this if you think giving out this information might hurt town more than help us.

In post 1145, stungun0404 wrote:

In post 1142, HK 50 wrote:

In post 1139, stungun0404 wrote:And yet I had voted geraintm at an earlier point and clearly indicated that I was OK with him getting pressure? Did you happen to miss that?

I don't think as town you doubt the genuineness of that interaction. Like it really gave me a scummy feel about you that I have been unable to shake.

No I did not; that's not the issue I had. I never had an issue with you wanting to redirect pressure there because of suspicions.

My issue was with how it came across to votato which felt unnatural. There was several points where you felt you were either trying to force votato to commit (via stating that it was the only wagon other than him you would move to) on top of it feeling purposely leading after votato gave his first read about germ.

Finally, I found it off putting that you dropped reading votato and prioritized pushing germ when the thread topic switched to that, leaving votato's 650 for example untouched till later which was the analysis you claimed you wanted to see.

Why do you think town me has to see it as genuine?

As for the bolded, this is easily explainable too. I started getting some bad feelings about my push on Votato, so I moved away from him, and there was (and still honestly is) absolutely no support for a

Geri

wagon. No one has voted him outside of Bob and I in this game. No one. So I went to other scummy suspects.

In post 1193, stungun0404 wrote:

In post 1190, Porkens wrote:My pool is a mix of three factors:

Ger+stun circa 274
Stun+Dunn+vot circa 389 (targeting GC)
Bob circa the first 30pages not expressing one firm read then calling Dunn town. Also votato and stun both have bob town.

274 was not serious at all; it was a total joke. His previous post made me laugh. I would definitely not base anything off of that--because it is not by any means an AI vote flip. Anyways, there was no support for the

gera

wagon anyways, so it seemed to be a lost cause.

Circa 389: I'm not quite sure why that raised red flags for you either

Bob has asked incredibly insightful questions and made numerous original observations that to me clearly suggest he is coming from a town perspective. It is clear he is scumhunting. And why are you basing your read of someone based off who others have as town, and thus making them scum? That's not a compelling reason for finding someone to be in your scumpool.

In post 1210, stungun0404 wrote:At that particular point, I thought that GC and

Geraintm

were the most scummy, and I kinda felt that your slot was town, but I wasn't too convinced. A lot has changed since then, and I am really convicted one of your slot/GC is scum.

In post 1211, stungun0404 wrote:If you want my percent rankings, I can grab them right out of the notes I took, let's go:

at that point, i had

GC 59% town

Geraintm 65% town

HK50 66% town
NM 67% town
Votato 68% town
NS 69% town
DoctorPepper 70% town
Bob 73% town
BM 74% town
Mala 77% town
Farside 79% town

So really no one stuck out with everyone so close to each other except GC.

In post 1318, stungun0404 wrote:

In post 1317, votato wrote:

In post 1316, notscience wrote:Let’s Lynch farside mala it’ll be fun

She can get mad about me not having a sensible reason again

im down. she was mean to me, thats reason enough for a lynch right?

also, why is it so friggin hard to lynch the porkens slot? that alone means scum

you could make that argument. but i'm curious myself why it's so hard to get pressure on

geraintm

(who had only 2 votes this day phase) or hk or GC? There's very likely a scum or maybe more than one in those three players IM.

In post 1352, stungun0404 wrote:It makes it clear we are not dealing with 3 active scum members pushing lynches, which could even be taken to mean the likelihood is greater that

geraintm

is scum (the most passive player in this game imo).

In post 1441, stungun0404 wrote:I think

geraintm

is scum, and regardless of what Porkens might flip, we should lynch him either today or next day phase. Most if not all of his theory discussion has only beneficial to scum, thus he is pro-scum, and very likely scum.

If he's town, his theories so far are awfully harmful to town.

In post 1443, stungun0404 wrote:

In post 1401, Jake The Wolfie wrote:

Vote Count 1.17

Porkens (4):

bob3141, votato, Green Crayons, stungun0404

Dunnstral (3):

DoctorPepper, Porkens, Malakittens

votato (2):

Not_Mafia, farside22

HK 50(1):

Dunnstral

notscience (1):

geraintm

stungun0404 (1):

HK 50

Not voting (1):

notscience

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Mod Notes:

Majority is 7 players.

Day 1 has begun and will end in (expired on 2020-06-25 21:18:29).[/area]

Less than 9 hours to settle on a vote, guys. No more than 4 votes on anyone.

I would be open to starting a wagon on geraintm, but I don't know if we are going to get 6 votes there in time, so I am kinda stuck there.

Porkens I think would vote there, probably GC, maybe Bob who voted him at an earlier point if he pops in, but who else?

In post 1445, stungun0404 wrote:*7 votes

VOTE: Geraintm

I will gladly switch to Porkens if we don't think this is feasible.

In post 1456, stungun0404 wrote:

In post 1454, Not_Mafia wrote:Mabinogion, please vote for Scratchings

Why not vote Gera? No lynch theory, no claim theory, and stalling theory is antitown. He has participated in all three.

In post 1466, stungun0404 wrote:Things still are not clear for him.

He is still voting Not Science from RVS.

We are having trouble lynching, Do you think it might be because a scum geraintm is not helping us at all?

In post 1473, stungun0404 wrote:I don't get it. What is so hard for others to understand about geraintm likely being scum/coming off scummy here? How could his repeated examples of clearly anti-town behavior and theory result in a townflip? I see it as unlikely.

I mean, still only three people have now voted him this day phase, in spite of his obvious pro-scum behavior: Bob, Votato, and I.

In post 1480, stungun0404 wrote:But Geraintm has clearly been more antitown consistently. Why should we give him the benefit of the doubt when I have established he has been antitown on at least three occasions?