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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:44 am
by Firebringer
it gets easier as u kill friends. it gets easier

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:44 am
by OkaPoka
sans, we start the pool with n1 consensus scumread firebringer. then we add mom because she'll suicide if we remove fire so they have to be together.

now for the third pick we hedge, we need to imagine a world where mom and fire are green because if we don't we can lose. who is most likely to flip scum in this world?


well you know that ive been pushing a team that comprises for koba + mom + aaron for more than half the game, if we assume fire and mom are green, noraa is probably green given that mom and fire have super townreads on them and well, its the best assumption that can be made. so, in this world ive been pushing an entirely town team, scum are probably not going to oppose me right? that means hatters is out and to an extent unwnd, but also keep unwnd around because a red fire clears unwnd. then at least two scum should strictly be in {me, sans, ydrasse, harley}. fmpov im town, most people read me as town, id like to remove myself from the pool. we have {sans, ydrasse, harley} remaining to hedge with

its not that i scumread you guys its that i need to hedge to be safe

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:45 am
by Momrangal
Ydras top two scum reads are literally

Myself and FB who repped in for Koba.

Both of those top reads compromise of the people who want her gone the most. She doesn't even have a read on FB himself, it's all contingent on her Koba read

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:45 am
by Sans Undertale
In post 1501, OkaPoka wrote:sans, we start the pool with n1 consensus scumread firebringer. then we add mom because she'll suicide if we remove fire so they have to be together.

now for the third pick we hedge, we need to imagine a world where mom and fire are green because if we don't we can lose. who is most likely to flip scum in this world?


well you know that ive been pushing a team that comprises for koba + mom + aaron for more than half the game, if we assume fire and mom are green, noraa is probably green given that mom and fire have super townreads on them and well, its the best assumption that can be made. so, in this world ive been pushing an entirely town team, scum are probably not going to oppose me right? that means hatters is out and to an extent unwnd, but also keep unwnd around because a red fire clears unwnd. then at least two scum should strictly be in {me, sans, ydrasse, harley}. fmpov im town, most people read me as town, id like to remove myself from the pool. we have {sans, ydrasse, harley} remaining to hedge with

its not that i scumread you guys its that i need to hedge to be safe
okay, i see what you mean, pal.

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:47 am
by OkaPoka
unfortunately its a poisoned pill because i really don't want to do this but if i don't someone else is going to control it and we might not actually end of hedging and like if i have to justify killing my own townread i will be damned to hell

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:48 am
by OkaPoka
to an extent im hoping one of you/ydrasse/harley can just annoy me enough where i feel like im not drowning a force of good

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:49 am
by Firebringer
hey oka completely offtopic u been watching any good anime recently

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:49 am
by Ydrasse
In post 1502, Momrangal wrote:Ydras top two scum reads are literally

Myself and FB who repped in for Koba.

Both of those top reads compromise of the people who want her gone the most. She doesn't even have a read on FB himself, it's all contingent on her Koba read
my top scumreads for most of this game have been koba/fire and hatters, and those are the people i was most adamant on keeping.

do you scumread everyone else for thinking fire's scum. what has he done to get you to townread him this strongly? what to you makes him seem towny when the person in his slot before them was intentionally going after people to rile them up. and now he's literally just trying to fight to live, not really solving

like, i am pretty sure i said earlier 1 of you/noraa was scum based on your weird turnaround as soon as she arrived. you went from wanting that slot dead to going "oh no noraa can't go, i need to get in her head" . that doesn't make you my top scumread and you're literally sitting here doing the most you can to try and save firebringer when everyone else sees that he's scum

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:50 am
by Sans Undertale
hey, take it easy, oka. you've gotten a ton of work done today. a skele-ton.

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:50 am
by Ydrasse
like holy fuck you see everyone else looking at this slot going "wow, this is scum, we need to kill it"

and then you think that it's because i'm being scumread by that slot that i want to kill it and not seeing literally everything they've done this game?

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:50 am
by unwnd
To moma's credit I don't think on D1 the best option as scum is to try and save your partner, right now their priorities are likely to pair with someone and nothing else. I doubt the team is working like a unit right now

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 am
by OkaPoka
its incredibly annoying

i need to do this pool fast because the other pool suggestions fail because either they fail to flip fire, or if they flip fire they fail to account for mom's threat of leaving, or if they do both they just don't hedge at all

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 am
by Noraa
In post 1508, Sans Undertale wrote:hey, take it easy, oka. you've gotten a ton of work done today. a skele-ton.
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 am
by Ydrasse
idk man if everyone else is wrong on firebringer might wanna start looking into that but your reads are fucking upside down

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:51 am
by OkaPoka
In post 1506, Firebringer wrote:hey oka completely offtopic u been watching any good anime recently
i dont really watch anime lol

dbz abridged was my main "anime"

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:52 am
by OkaPoka
ydrasse i see what you mean about fire, i agree probably scum, but do you see why we might need to hedge our bets a little?

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:52 am
by Sans Undertale
In post 1512, Noraa wrote:
In post 1508, Sans Undertale wrote:hey, take it easy, oka. you've gotten a ton of work done today. a skele-ton.
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wanna hear another one? never mind, i don't have the guts to tell it.

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:52 am
by OkaPoka
In post 1511, OkaPoka wrote:its incredibly annoying

i need to do this pool fast because the other pool suggestions fail because either they fail to flip fire, or if they flip fire they fail to account for mom's threat of leaving, or if they do both they just don't hedge at all
oh and fourth they don't preserve the possibility of an unwnd ic win condition in case fire does go red

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:53 am
by Ydrasse
like, fire is just going to flip scum, if he doesnt fine i'm the fool but i feel confident that he's just going to flip scum and we're worrying about hedging for no reason

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:53 am
by OkaPoka
ydrasse if fire flips red do you think unwnd is always town?

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:54 am
by Ydrasse
In post 1515, OkaPoka wrote:ydrasse i see what you mean about fire, i agree probably scum, but do you see why we might need to hedge our bets a little?
if you absolutely want to hedge something you throw in unwnd because like i've said, that earlier interaction is never s/s, but i don't think it's t/t. and that's literally flipping the coin to make sure you get at least 1 of them but fire is literally the scummy one out of those two so i dont. like.

idk i really dont care about hedging right now!!

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:54 am
by Firebringer
ydrasse if everyone but mom wants me dead that means scum wants me dead too. so ur statement could easily be flipped.

i think scum aren't gonna get much from my death if they think my death will get them a victory tho

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:54 am
by Noraa
In post 1516, Sans Undertale wrote:
In post 1512, Noraa wrote:
In post 1508, Sans Undertale wrote:hey, take it easy, oka. you've gotten a ton of work done today. a skele-ton.
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wanna hear another one? never mind, i don't have the guts to tell it.
imma kik you, hectic.

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:55 am
by Ydrasse
In post 1519, OkaPoka wrote:ydrasse if fire flips red do you think unwnd is always town?
that's a really weird fight for them to be having in the thread like that if they're s/s and i don't think koba would be trying to rile up unwnd like that and have it become toxic like that

so, yes

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:56 am
by OkaPoka
well the big reason i want to hedge is because if fire does flip red, unwnd is locktown beyond belief. hopefully im locktown to you guys. two locktowns means town pretty much wins 6p dance esp because me and unwnd will choose the pairings as well. so if fire flips red we are pretty much covered.