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Bambi is town to me. It's (boxxy || A50) && (Kerset || T3) IMO.

Unless this setup is weird and we have a 2-player scum team. In which case boxxy || A50 || Kerset || T3.

In post 1500, MaxTheFox wrote:Bambi is town to me. It's (boxxy || A50) && (Kerset || T3) IMO.

About as close I can get to a solve without another flip (preferably boxxy || A50).

If you kill me today, read my posts after I flip.

What makes it Kerset or T3? How would your reads be influenced if Almost50 comes out and flat out claims VT who fakeclaimed?

What makes you think that you will be eliminated today?

In post 1429, humaneatingmonkey wrote:A50, Salsabil, and MaxTheFox.

In post 1473, MaxTheFox wrote:I will admit, I am having difficulties reading and following the game. Not enough that I want to replace so I am trying.

In post 1480, MaxTheFox wrote:

In post 1469, Salsabil Faria wrote:

In post 1376, MaxTheFox wrote:
@Salsabil why do you constantly use cyan text?

I use different colors in different games, why?

It's slightly hard to read on the theme I use but it's fine.

In post 1472, MaxTheFox wrote:

In post 1386, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Is that it, MaxTheFox? That's too little. I would like you to act as if you're a replacement into your slot and catch-up, explain the reads you had blurted out, roleclaim, and tell us who is scum.

I am a VT. I'll just say it. I'll probably die but I am a VT.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

Boxxy has been scummy since day 1. I can't quite explain it but I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped scum.

A50 is weird. He was almost silent day 1 but suddenly became more active when Cyrus was hanged. Something about that just pings my scumdar.

Very +newbtown post

In post 1457, Salsabil Faria wrote:

In post 1316, Bambi Jay wrote:You didn't kill Nom on purpose. His role literally means he had to die protecting someone.

And how do you know that?

Because hider makes you basically not targettable to kills unless they hit the person you hide on, in which case they kill both. But since he's also a Bodyguard it just stops the kill on said target anyway.

I can read roles.

In post 1478, Salsabil Faria wrote:

Another thing,

MaxTheFox

also didn't claim that point, why did you take my name only for counter-claim?

Because clearly Max isn't invested enough to be anything besides a VT. You went through an entire tirade and all the catch-up posts. Plus your... Case on Kerset was weird unless you know it's him. But since you claimed VT I assume this is your standard.

In post 1499, MaxTheFox wrote:

In post 1491, Salsabil Faria wrote:

In post 1487, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Maybe it's Bambi Jay and MaxTheFox

Vote her, at least trust me on this one thing please.... this is for the rest of the town also.

How about you explain your read on me?

In post 1511, Bambi Jay wrote: But since you claimed VT I assume this is your standard.

In post 1503, MaxTheFox wrote:If you kill me today, read my posts after I flip.

???

That's the same exact thing Cyrus said too.

In post 1492, Salsabil Faria wrote:

In post 1422, Bambi Jay wrote:And I'm transparent that I meme around even claiming a shitty role when y'all know I'm a VT since I already admitted to wanting to bite the bullet earlier. I would've shot you anyway if I was a vig. I'm trigger happy.

Anyway I'm off to bed.

You're hurting town from your playstyle here.... it's my opinion obviously.

If Bambi did this as scum, then what was her goal here?

In post 611, Almost50 wrote:

In post 420, boxxy wrote:I'm a roaming detective

I didn't even know what Roaming was.

OK, this is a 100% TOWN claim. Detective determine3s if a player HAS killed (if the target is Mafia who has NOT killed they get a negative result). This reminds me of a game I played recently where I suggested the

Detective

Psychiatrist targets the same players twice, so if they get "Can Kill" on N1 and "Can't Kill" on N2 that's a GUILTY (Psychiatrist is the opposite of Detective), so I think Roaming was added here to prevent that sort of guilty (although it would still be more suitable used with a Psychiatrist). Ohm and that game had a BABYSITTER in it, which is why I suggested the check would be on the same person, because the babysitter would not appear to have killed until/unless they were dead themselves)

can you link it? all i found was https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85940

I would bet the game on boxxy town.

In post 1502, MaxTheFox wrote:

In post 1500, MaxTheFox wrote:Bambi is town to me. It's (boxxy || A50) && (Kerset || T3) IMO.

About as close I can get to a solve without another flip (preferably boxxy || A50).

I don't think this is is newbtown, I think this is newbscum trying to find an out. Picking those who seem to be the least objectionable for an "info flip" and yet targetting the only claimed TPRs with no counterclaim. That's a scum move.

In post 1504, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What makes it Kerset or T3? How would your reads be influenced if Almost50 comes out and flat out claims VT who fakeclaimed?

I think Max puts Kerset/T3 in her list due to PoE from a scum!perspective of picking unobjectionable players that arn't on their team. Back here:



Max doesn't even mention Kerset/T3 but now they're on their scum list along with the two TPRs? Yeah I don't buy it.

I'm think its Max/Bambi, possibly Max/Almost50.

At this point I'm fairly certain nom tried to hide behind me as his biggest scumread. Before I thought he would target a TPR to protect, but I didn't realize he also had the Hider role, now I think nom would try to go bulletproof on his biggest scumread, so I don't think A50 is cleared as being nom's target.

In post 1504, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What makes it Kerset or T3?

Both have been pretty quiet and slightly lurky (yes yes I understand the irony but I know I am town). They are a distant third and fourth scumreads though.

In post 1504, humaneatingmonkey wrote:How would your reads be influenced if Almost50 comes out and flat out claims VT who fakeclaimed?

Then boxxy becomes more townish I suppose but only because of mechanics, I don't think we have no investigatives here.
Though honestly I don't think we should believe someone who backed out on a claim not once but twice. Come on. In that case I'd probably hang A50 anyway.

boxxy wrote:

In post 1502, MaxTheFox wrote:

In post 1500, MaxTheFox wrote:Bambi is town to me. It's (boxxy || A50) && (Kerset || T3) IMO.

About as close I can get to a solve without another flip (preferably boxxy || A50).

I don't think this is is newbtown, I think this is newbscum trying to find an out. Picking those who seem to be the least objectionable for an "info flip" and yet targetting the only claimed TPRs with no counterclaim. That's a scum move.

In post 1504, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What makes it Kerset or T3? How would your reads be influenced if Almost50 comes out and flat out claims VT who fakeclaimed?

I think Max puts Kerset/T3 in her list due to PoE from a scum!perspective of picking unobjectionable players that arn't on their team. Back here:

Spoiler: max

In post 1472, MaxTheFox wrote:

In post 1386, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Is that it, MaxTheFox? That's too little. I would like you to act as if you're a replacement into your slot and catch-up, explain the reads you had blurted out, roleclaim, and tell us who is scum.

I am a VT. I'll just say it. I'll probably die but I am a VT.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

Boxxy has been scummy since day 1. I can't quite explain it but I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped scum.

A50 is weird. He was almost silent day 1 but suddenly became more active when Cyrus was hanged. Something about that just pings my scumdar.

Max doesn't even mention Kerset/T3 but now they're on their scum list along with the two TPRs? Yeah I don't buy it.

I'm think its Max/Bambi, possibly Max/Almost50.

At this point I'm fairly certain nom tried to hide behind me as his biggest scumread. Before I thought he would target a TPR to protect, but I didn't realize he also had the Hider role, now I think nom would try to go bulletproof on his biggest scumread, so I don't think A50 is cleared as being nom's target.

I didn't mention them because as I said, they are merely faint scumleans and I was afraid of mentioning them before because I feared getting flamed.

Kerset wrote:

In post 611, Almost50 wrote:

In post 420, boxxy wrote:I'm a roaming detective

I didn't even know what Roaming was.

OK, this is a 100% TOWN claim. Detective determine3s if a player HAS killed (if the target is Mafia who has NOT killed they get a negative result). This reminds me of a game I played recently where I suggested the

Detective

Psychiatrist targets the same players twice, so if they get "Can Kill" on N1 and "Can't Kill" on N2 that's a GUILTY (Psychiatrist is the opposite of Detective), so I think Roaming was added here to prevent that sort of guilty (although it would still be more suitable used with a Psychiatrist). Ohm and that game had a BABYSITTER in it, which is why I suggested the check would be on the same person, because the babysitter would not appear to have killed until/unless they were dead themselves)

can you link it? all i found was https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85940

I also wonder in what way is it an inherently town claim, it's very easy to fake.

humaneatingmonkey wrote:What makes you think that you will be eliminated today?

From what I read, VT claims under pressure don't live long.

So your main scumreads are the claimed PRs who have no counterclaims?

If A50 retracts their claim then I am locktown until a counterclaim happens, there's no way there's two bodyguards with nobody to guard

The fact that you only say it makes me "townish" looks like scum trying to avoid townreading a slot.

My pick3 list is now, in order or preference

Max
Bambi
Maybe A50

VOTE: MaxTheFox

Yeah I don't like any of this.

In post 1483, MaxTheFox wrote:

In post 1481, MaxTheFox wrote:Assuming no townie lies, a flip on one either soft-clears or soft-guilties the other.

I am down to flip either for this reason actually. A50 seems worse to me but if boxxy does something outrageously scummy I will vote boxxy instead.

In post 1484, MaxTheFox wrote:Tell me if there' a huge flaw in my reasoning that invalidates this whole plan.

Like what is this. The flaw in your reasoning is you're willing to kill TPR for a softclear/guilty on another player.

All your posting today read to me as scum trying to catch up and find a safe read to make today rather than town trying to solve the game. I know this game has a lot of posts but there has been a lot of down time as well with the two nights so far. Town!you could have used that to catch up and form scumreads with any sort of reasoning, but instead scum!you is trying to look involved after pressure by just copy pasting the reads from powertown HEM.

It all reads like you're trying to not ruffle any feathers and just get to another night phase.


If Max flips scum we should also remember these two posts

In post 503, MaxTheFox wrote:Possibly unpopular opinion. Cyrus is town. Read only the first few pages though, still reading.

In post 1078, MaxTheFox wrote: Bambi is town. I can feel it. I can't quite explain why though.

In post 1402, Kerset wrote:And if they are both scum then lack of TPR

You're arguing against your own argument.

Your "fear" is it looks like "too many TPR", but if both I and boxxy are Scum then it\s "too few" (I agree to the latter). What do you make of -presumably- Scum!ME defending Town!boxxy all game and keeping him alive too 9when he is supposed to be the TPR that can actually catch scum still).

Same question to HEM actually: Bambi thinks I'm faking, and you believe him. The difference id he TRs it and you SR it. I am not saying I am faking, but using your own view; how you do explain SCUM!Me defending boxxy by day AND keeping him alive at night?? How does that even compute in your system?

In all probability I was only kept alive night1