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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:14 am
by House
In post 1497, TheZenMan wrote:Isn't a cookie lim more informative to town? T3 being scum implicates cookie, so limming him would give us more info. If he is scum we can assume T3 is scum too. If he really is informed townie we could revisit some stuff and also potentially saving an investigative PR role. Plus, apparently T3 will only give us the info if we kill cookie, so there is also that.
If cookie is a mailman that sent T3 info on how to crumb to him, that doesn't make cookie scum...
No ACTUAL investigative refuses to give results unless you kill someone not related TO those results first.
I'm always voting T3 over cookie, here.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:17 am
by House
T3 claimed under duress a role that should have had him catching a bullet.
He not only lived through the night, he refuses to out results.
My guess is, he doesn't want to wind up getting it wrong and having his "results" countered.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:20 am
by TheZenMan
In post 1500, House wrote: In post 1497, TheZenMan wrote:Isn't a cookie lim more informative to town? T3 being scum implicates cookie, so limming him would give us more info. If he is scum we can assume T3 is scum too. If he really is informed townie we could revisit some stuff and also potentially saving an investigative PR role. Plus, apparently T3 will only give us the info if we kill cookie, so there is also that.
If cookie is a mailman that sent T3 info on how to crumb to him, that doesn't make cookie scum...
No ACTUAL investigative refuses to give results unless you kill someone not related TO those results first.
I'm always voting T3 over cookie, here.
But dosen't cookie also hold the information from us now? He apparently knows or atlest knows more than us about what T3 found N1.
The thing about no actual investigative refusing to give results, I agree with you. But it's just so blatantly scummy to me that it's almost too much. I also would think that if T3 was scum he could just make up a bullshit check for N1. If his objective is to confuse town however he has succeded but also produced a big target on himself.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:21 am
by Almost50
Here's what I suspect is going on: Regardless of cookie's alignment, T3 claims to have checked Dwlee (I assume whoever he responds to first is the target). He sleeps on it and checks Dwlee on N2 and comes back with a GUILTY on D3 (Dwlee can communicate but is not a neighbor). By the time we realize we have been fooled we're already in E-Lo it's GAME OVER with 3 mis-eliminatiosn and 2 Nks (assuming a 9 v 4 distribution). Meamwhile, Redtea is preoccupied and the Scum PRs are safe for the 2 nights it takes them to achieve this.
If this is true, three is more likely truly claiming VANILLA, because if he is a Traitor his death prevents the Scum win on D3 (although they can still achieve it on N3). Whether he's VT or a Goon though is up in the air (but I would slightly lean Goon since he wanted to draw the Vig to himself)
In hindsight I should not have claimed my BP. That would have been risky because of the Complex Vig thing, but it would have been beneficial to draw the NK and take Scum by surprise.
Based on the above, I don't think Scum would ALSO have a RB. We don't have that much strength in our roles as Town collectively. So..
IF T3 IS NOT ELIMINATED TODAY I BEG FOR readtea TO SHOOT HIM TONIGHT
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:23 am
by House
I have no doubt that he probably crumbed some bullshit to cookie but doesn't want it outed in case his guess is wrong.
I've been let off the hook quite a bit for TWTBAW. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:24 am
by Almost50
In post 1497, TheZenMan wrote:Isn't a cookie lim more informative to town? T3 being scum implicates cookie, so limming him would give us more info. If he is scum we can assume T3 is scum too. If he really is informed townie we could revisit some stuff and also potentially saving an investigative PR role. Plus, apparently T3 will only give us the info if we kill cookie, so there is also that.
NO. A T3 red flip confirms Cookie as TOWN. T3 has just called faer that. cookie is also the one who said fae can't confirm T3's alignment.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:25 am
by TheZenMan
In post 1501, House wrote:T3 claimed under duress a role that should have had him catching a bullet.
He not only lived through the night, he refuses to out results.
My guess is, he doesn't want to wind up getting it wrong and having his "results" countered.
Yeah, I said this before too that it was weird that T3 survived N1. Make no mistake he is very scummy to me right now and I could go for D2 elim of him.
About the second point, shouldn't it be easy to fake result since the neighbourhood is outed?
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:27 am
by House
In post 1506, TheZenMan wrote: In post 1501, House wrote:T3 claimed under duress a role that should have had him catching a bullet.
He not only lived through the night, he refuses to out results.
My guess is, he doesn't want to wind up getting it wrong and having his "results" countered.
Yeah, I said this before too that it was weird that T3 survived N1. Make no mistake he is very scummy to me right now and I could go for D2 elim of him.
About the second point, shouldn't it be easy to fake result since the neighbourhood is outed?
It would be hard to justify targeting an outed hood.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:28 am
by House
And by hard, I mean impossible.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:31 am
by House
A50, who do you think redtea should target on a T3 red flip? Green flip?
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:31 am
by Jacket
I don't get why T3's hiding a result that is at least a semi-clear if that's the case. I thought there was some shenanigans with cookie learning of the result or some such, but nah.
I think the game having a traitor + 5 town PRs is very improbable.
I think if cookie were a scum mailman who knew of the traitor fae wouldn't have claimed day 1.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:33 am
by TheZenMan
In post 1505, Almost50 wrote: In post 1497, TheZenMan wrote:Isn't a cookie lim more informative to town? T3 being scum implicates cookie, so limming him would give us more info. If he is scum we can assume T3 is scum too. If he really is informed townie we could revisit some stuff and also potentially saving an investigative PR role. Plus, apparently T3 will only give us the info if we kill cookie, so there is also that.
NO. A T3 red flip confirms Cookie as TOWN. T3 has just called faer that. cookie is also the one who said fae can't confirm T3's alignment.
Sorry still not used to all abbreviations. What's fae and faer?
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:34 am
by House
Most likely the pronouns of cookie's main, if I have to guess.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:35 am
by TheZenMan
Yeah probably, but I meant more that since the neighbourhood is outed already it is easy for T3 to make a fake check. Unless you think there is a second neighbourhood?
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:37 am
by House
In post 1513, TheZenMan wrote:
Yeah probably, but I meant more that since the neighbourhood is outed already it is easy for T3 to make a fake check. Unless you think there is a second neighbourhood?
I highly doubt there is, which is why a positive result outside of the claimed hood would be damning.
When that "positive result" flipped green, T3 would die the next day.
If that "negative result" claimed a way to communicate, T3 would die the same day.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:39 am
by House
T3 is buddying cookie to make faer how town beard and simultaneously denying info to the rest of town.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:40 am
by House
In post 1515, House wrote:T3 is buddying cookie to make faer his* town beard and simultaneously denying info to the rest of town.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:47 am
by TheZenMan
In post 1514, House wrote: In post 1513, TheZenMan wrote:
Yeah probably, but I meant more that since the neighbourhood is outed already it is easy for T3 to make a fake check. Unless you think there is a second neighbourhood?
I highly doubt there is, which is why a positive result outside of the claimed hood would be damning.
When that "positive result" flipped green, T3 would die the next day.
If that "negative result" claimed a way to communicate, T3 would die the same day.
Ahh, I forgot that mailman also comes up as can communicate for traffic analyst. Yeah I see what you mean then.
VOTE: T3
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:50 am
by TheZenMan
Just read up, also just found out that private players alone in private topics also show up for traffic analyst. Guess I should have read the fine print instead of scimming it
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:51 am
by Almost50
In post 1509, House wrote:A50, who do you think redtea should target on a T3 red flip? Green flip?
Upon a red flip I think he should holster (or waste another shot on three. Same same).
IF T3 somehow flips green I am willing to be the target of redtea's shot. (That's me offering Scum a once-in-a-lifetime chance to kill a BP with a single shot)
Actually, let me think about it a little.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:53 am
by Almost50
In post 1512, House wrote:
Most likely the pronouns of cookie's main, if I have to guess.
Actually the pronouns faer opted to list on this account
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:04 am
by House
I still think I'm right, though.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:06 am
by T3
In post 1495, Almost50 wrote:It IS TMI. T3 had just slipped real hard. Let's review the facts:
TRAITOR IS ENDGAMED IF THE MAIN TEAM IS ELIMINATED
2 players are outed as Neighbors
1 is now also outed as Mailman
A "can communicate" result is an outright guilty. WHy not claim it?
A "can't communicate" is enough evidence the target is not MAIN SCUM, so why keep it undercover?
T3 is PLAYING FOR TIME. H;s TAKING SU ALL FOR A RIDE. And if you add this to how long it took him to claim yesterday you get: T3 is OUTED SCUM.
I TARGETED JACKET AND GOT NO RESULT
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:08 am
by Jacket
...you were being that secretive over not getting a result?
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:13 am
by TheZenMan
In post 1522, T3 wrote: In post 1495, Almost50 wrote:It IS TMI. T3 had just slipped real hard. Let's review the facts:
TRAITOR IS ENDGAMED IF THE MAIN TEAM IS ELIMINATED
2 players are outed as Neighbors
1 is now also outed as Mailman
A "can communicate" result is an outright guilty. WHy not claim it?
A "can't communicate" is enough evidence the target is not MAIN SCUM, so why keep it undercover?
T3 is PLAYING FOR TIME. H;s TAKING SU ALL FOR A RIDE. And if you add this to how long it took him to claim yesterday you get: T3 is OUTED SCUM.
I TARGETED JACKET AND GOT NO RESULT
Why would you keep this a secret? And what is the connection to cookie? Did he ask you to crumb your result to him? If so, show us where you did that.