In post 15044, Noraa wrote:I think the best elim right now is best bird>johnny>oth.
this is in terms of threat level. i dont think we have issues eliminating scum johnny or scum oth in elo. in fact, i think im more worried about mislimming them potentially if town, so we definitely dont have the issue of not elimming them if scum. the way oth is getting heat for what i see as not being active and best bird isnt because he was all defeatist and angry for no reason makes me also think best bird has a higher likelihood of not being town here since the gamestate is almost always going to favor scum because scum is trying to seem towny whereas town doesnt try to seem towny.
i think the best course of action today is to eliminate best bird. ask luke to leave a final reads list and we'll consider it true if best bird flips town and not consider it if he doesnt. luke is definitely posting because that stuff he said about me is a literal copy of what he's always said about me, so if best bird is actually town, a final reads list with reasons from luke is very important. but i think the risk of scum best bird running away with a win is much higher than scum johnny or oth doing the same thing especially if he has luke content to just copy paste.
consider two situations:
1) we eliminate oth and oth flips town. consider scum best birds chances in elo.
2) we eliminate best bird and best bird flips town. consider scum oths chances in elo.
i dont think those are even vaguely close and the same applies to johnny.
but why is johnny 2nd and oth 3rd?
who says oth is getting heat for not being active?
Flavor Leaf wrote:Nancy, I really hate that about you, you know that.
My literal least favorite thing about you, and the part of your game that I think needs the most improvement. You're way too sensitive about being partially scum read in any sort of way.
Like honestly, im getting to the point I dont want to play with you.
I like you as a person, but I just cant play with you anymore with that mindset.
Scum!FL threatening to blacklist me because of that. Now granted Gamma didn’t actually do anything of that kind but it’s essentially not extremely different. Both essentially are shaming me or questioning my fitness for playing mafia.
Now I’m pissed that you’re comparing me to FL
I understand being upset for what I said but continuing to attribute it to malice is just plain incorrect. You need to sharpen Hanlon’s Razor.
In post 15051, Mislim Bait wrote:btw I'm probably not voting out of OTH
idk about voting bestbird just because they have higher chances of winning elo as scum.
I actually think that’s true but I don’t think it matters all that much which order we vote them. I think we have nothing to lose if we get one red flip. we vote the other because I just think it’s extremely obvious to me that is the team. If either one flips town - Seriously DOUBT it - then and only then, would I look at Johnny but I think the game ends with BB/OtH flips in whatever order.
I’m town, Roden-duh, you and Noraa are both town, so it’s autowin.
In post 14957, Best Bird wrote:lol - Johnny’s posting today has been good? If you think that I have nothing to say to you.
Yes, that’s my opinion and if you want to convince me otherwise, this won’t accomplish that.
don't care - johnny flipping from wanting your lim to voting oth is gross but you won't be able to see it because
a) you're scum with him (explains the unvote at e-1 and sudden defense posture)
b) you've bought into his ate to you and you're blind now
either way, nothing I say will convice you so I'm not going to waste my time. kinda don't care to effort anymore after the fake guilty and luke peacing out
Something did feel off about these posts
I get the sense BB is casting as many lines as he can hoping for a bite
His plan might be to bus Johnny and try to win alone.
And you know what, I’m gonna be deadly blunt here. I say this with full respect for you as a person Nancy; I don’t think it’s a good look for you to repeatedly blow up at people for daring to suspect you. This is a game of deception. If you can’t handle having a little suspicion thrown your way without having a meltdown, then I suggest you find a new pastime.
~GE
You’re pissed? You essentially fucking told me to quit playing mafia because in your esteemed opinion, it somehow wasn’t “fun” for me and you fucking used our friendship to do it!
In post 15055, Off The Hook wrote:Now I’m pissed that you’re comparing me to FL
I understand being upset for what I said but continuing to attribute it to malice is just plain incorrect. You need to sharpen Hanlon’s Razor.
~GE
Wtf is “Hanlon’s razor? No, I think that’s a wolfy reaction which to me makes it even more grotesque. Why the fuck would town!you ever say that to me like fucking ever?
You have seen numerous games of mine where I reacted far far worse than this but you never ever - not even once - ever suggested that I find a new “pastime”.
What makes this game so different that suddenly I need to quit mafia for - according to you - “blowing up”?
In post 15058, Off The Hook wrote:You know DAMN WELL I didn’t mean it that way! When in the past have I EVER indicated I had a desire to hurt you!?
~GE
I never said or implied that. I’m saying that you did and very much so. I believe you did it so I would become more docile and more easily pushable but because you absolutely would have to know how deeply that would hurt me, I don’t know why if our friendship means anything to you, why you would ever even go there?
BECAUSE I COULDN’T THINK OF A BETTER WAY TO EXPRESS WHAT I WAS THINKING!!!! WORDING CHOICE IS MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE WITH COMMUNICATION AND I FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT BUT WHATEVER
~GE
We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world, and if we let go...That's who I am.
I have pretty much been a fucking emotional wreck over that and I’m still not okay ftr.
But I ask you again. what made my reactions to being sr - in THIS game - so much more concerning to you than any other game I’ve ever played in?
Probably the only game I can even think of where that even applied was HDP and you never once suggested I find a new “pastime” after that game.
I was actually extremely upset - to the actual point of crying every day due to the srs - in THAT game. That isn’t the case in this game. The only time I have cried so far in this game, was after you made that post.
In post 15062, Gamma Emerald wrote:BECAUSE I COULDN’T THINK OF A BETTER WAY TO EXPRESS WHAT I WAS THINKING!!!! WORDING CHOICE IS MY NUMBER ONE ISSUE WITH COMMUNICATION AND I FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT BUT WHATEVER
~GE
Did you or did you not say/imply that I shouldn’t play mafia due to my - according to you - “blow up”. - a sentiment that is not even shared by others but even if it was, so long as I am not bawling my eyes out like I was in HDP. - why do you think I’m not having fun?
If you didn’t think this after HDP - when that would have actually made sense, why would you think that now, when it absolutely doesn’t?
What changed this time was I felt like some point needed to be made about how your play makes it so I feel like I’m walking on eggshells any time I think about veering away from a solid TR on you. As far as I’m concerned, you’re a brutally easy pocket, to the point I’m not even sure you’ve caught scum!me ONCE. But you don’t adapt! You let yourself fall into the same traps.
Back on topic: I said it feels like a massive risk to suspect you at all, and this game reinforced that feeling. So I decided “I have to make this point otherwise I’m just gonna keep not being able to feel free to actually PLAY a regular game with you”. That’s I mentioned my respect for you, because I was trying to indicate that my criticism was meant in a constructive manner.
As for why HDP didn’t cause this to come up: I wasn’t playing that game so I didnt really end up in the position of having to worry about how doubts on you would be received.
In post 15066, Off The Hook wrote:What changed this time was I felt like some point needed to be made about how your play makes it so I feel like I’m walking on eggshells any time I think about veering away from a solid TR on you. As far as I’m concerned, you’re a brutally easy pocket, to the point I’m not even sure you’ve caught scum!me ONCE. But you don’t adapt! You let yourself fall into the same traps.
Back on topic: I said it feels like a massive risk to suspect you at all, and this game reinforced that feeling. So I decided “I have to make this point otherwise I’m just gonna keep not being able to feel free to actually PLAY a regular game with you”. That’s I mentioned my respect for you, because I was trying to indicate that my criticism was meant in a constructive manner.
~GE
You specifically implied that I shouldn’t play mafia anymore because I wasn’t having fun according to you and again. I think it’s both wolfy and unnaceptable considering you used our friendship to do that. You still don’t seem to be getting how extremely not okay what you said to me was and frankly if you’re not going to take full accountability for what you said and make some attempt to undo the psychological damage it caused me, then you are just adding insult to injury and i am done with this conversation.
Wrt to the game: I read it as wolfy.
Wrt to our friendship: you have harmed it
And that’s why I posted FL’s posts from tm because I just don’t believe you ever make that post as town. Town!you would be far more concerned with my read on you here, not how pushable or not pushable I am in this game.
I caught you in OMB and I thought you were scum after I repped out of Schadd’s game. It’s really a serious coinflip rn, which one out of you/BB I want to kill first.
I would pick both rn if that was an option, because the more you and BB post, the more I want both of your slots dead.
The over the roof scumminess from both of your slots is off the freaking charts.
VOTE: butterflies
I have trouble seeing this as anything but a wolf ploy at this point.
By the way, might as well bring up that decisive evidence that we’re town. Y’all remember Malcolm’s reveal? The one that conftowned Pooky without question? That only happened because we bungled the original plan to check T-Bone the day Rad got voted out. If we were scum, we seriously blundered a chance to avoid having to clear Pooky by missing our action.
In post 15070, Off The Hook wrote:VOTE: butterflies
I have trouble seeing this as anything but a wolf ploy at this point.
By the way, might as well bring up that decisive evidence that we’re town. Y’all remember Malcolm’s reveal? The one that conftowned Pooky without question? That only happened because we bungled the original plan to check T-Bone the day Rad got voted out. If we were scum, we seriously blundered a chance to avoid having to clear Pooky by missing our action.
