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Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:57 pm**

Ok. Then the point there stands.

Thanks!

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:44 pm**

VOTE: Noraa

I want to show zir some grace.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:45 pm**

In post 15108, Best Bird wrote:pretty sure luke agrees but he's mostly focused on noraa in the pt

In post 15109, Best Bird wrote:yeah, he agrees.

This was a really quick ask and answer

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:45 pm**

In post 15123, Best Bird wrote:
In post 15118, Noraa wrote:
In post 15110, Best Bird wrote:
In post 14973, Noraa wrote:i called nancy out for the 180 on johnny. you think i am scum with johnny. scum that decided to create pairings of scum, all with my scum partner instead of taking nancy's 180 and running with it.
To paraphrase Luke - yes.

He posted Friday night that 14966 where you say you think that bb-nancy is more likely than johnny-nancy looks like you are actively in the middle of pivoting away from Johnny, either to Nancy or to me.

Spoiler: which coincidentally you later did here
In post 15044, Noraa wrote:I think the best elim right now is best bird>johnny>oth.
this is in terms of threat level. i dont think we have issues eliminating scum johnny or scum oth in elo. in fact, i think im more worried about mislimming them potentially if town, so we definitely dont have the issue of not elimming them if scum. the way oth is getting heat for what i see as not being active and best bird isnt because he was all defeatist and angry for no reason makes me also think best bird has a higher likelihood of not being town here since the gamestate is almost always going to favor scum because scum is trying to seem towny whereas town doesnt try to seem towny.
i think the best course of action today is to eliminate best bird. ask luke to leave a final reads list and we'll consider it true if best bird flips town and not consider it if he doesnt. luke is definitely posting because that stuff he said about me is a literal copy of what he's always said about me, so if best bird is actually town, a final reads list with reasons from luke is very important. but i think the risk of scum best bird running away with a win is much higher than scum johnny or oth doing the same thing especially if he has luke content to just copy paste.
consider two situations:
1) we eliminate oth and oth flips town. consider scum best birds chances in elo.
2) we eliminate best bird and best bird flips town. consider scum oths chances in elo.
i dont think those are even vaguely close and the same applies to johnny.

This is while you are also saying that it could also be that it really is nancy-johnny which makes it clear that Nancy has scum equity with Johnny in case he gets flipped today so that you can then lean into the "Nancy as a partner" theory.

actually i want to flip you today so are you nancy's partner?
Try reading my post again. This time while trying.

No way town!Noraa still srs me.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:46 pm**

or maybe it was a check and verify?

lol

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:46 pm**

that was @johnny

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:46 pm**

like there are hundreds of posts...i just wanted to be sure.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:47 pm**

Sum up what you saw Luke say about butterflies and how long ago he said it

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:47 pm**

300 hundred posts - i don't want that too seem like a gross exaggeration.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:49 pm**

In post 15132, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Sum up what you saw Luke say about butterflies and how long ago he said it

Why? I was talking about you > noraa and already said it was Friday.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:49 pm**

you two really need to start reading to comprehend.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:50 pm**

In post 15126, butterflies wrote:VOTE: Noraa

I want to show zir some grace.

really prefer johnny first tbh

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:52 pm**

When I go down I think y'all should vote out pengy next

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:56 pm**

best bird*

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:56 pm**

I'm betting cryptic

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:57 pm**

Being

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:58 pm**

In post 15136, Best Bird wrote:
In post 15126, butterflies wrote:VOTE: Noraa

I want to show zir some grace.
really prefer johnny first tbh

Noraa is being off the charts scummy with those recent set of posts. Ze’s extremely lucky I’ve tolerated it for as long as I have. Had Taly never replaced out, decent chance scum wins. It’s mainly because they misted me so hard, I’ve ignored everything about Noraa’s posting that skeeved me out and now ze just looks like ze’s flailing. Ze’s scumposting so hard, now. Like ze’s just obvious scum here.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 3:58 pm**

In post 15126, butterflies wrote:VOTE: Noraa

I want to show zir some grace.

i actually hate that seeing this post makes me think you might be town what the actual fuck. anyhow, you're gonna have to deal with it and realize me being town and me scumreading you are not mutually exclusive.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:01 pm**

Even Mislim Bait can’t ignore it. If he still is pushing OtH after thus, I have no words,

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:02 pm**

In post 15141, butterflies wrote:
In post 15136, Best Bird wrote:
In post 15126, butterflies wrote:VOTE: Noraa

I want to show zir some grace.
really prefer johnny first tbh
Noraa is being off the charts scummy with those recent set of posts. Ze’s extremely lucky I’ve tolerated it for as long as I have. Had Taly never replaced out, decent chance scum wins. It’s mainly because they misted me so hard, I’ve ignored everything about Noraa’s posting that skeeved me out and now ze just looks like ze’s flailing. Ze’s scumposting so hard, now. Like ze’s just obvious scum here.

Yes - Luke and I pointed that out. Preference is still johnny>noraaa...though I've re-asked and I have an assumption of what Luke will say.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:05 pm**

In post 15141, butterflies wrote:
In post 15136, Best Bird wrote:
In post 15126, butterflies wrote:VOTE: Noraa

I want to show zir some grace.
really prefer johnny first tbh
Noraa is being off the charts scummy with those recent set of posts. Ze’s extremely lucky I’ve tolerated it for as long as I have. Had Taly never replaced out, decent chance scum wins. It’s mainly because they misted me so hard, I’ve ignored everything about Noraa’s posting that skeeved me out and now ze just looks like ze’s flailing. Ze’s scumposting so hard, now. Like ze’s just obvious scum here.

I feel like I could say that I've been tolerating you more easily than you could say that about me. Like the moment I say anything about you potentially being scum, you scream at me about how you're super disappointed I can't read you after so many games and tale's gladiate. I have been throwing paranoia at you less and less because your reactions haven't helped me sort shit.

like right now I am flailing. i dont know if i am confident i wont be an elo mislim anymore. i am not confident who is town pushing me and who is not. i want to be townread but then feel like my posts are all edited and sound scummy as hell. like no shit im flailing.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:06 pm**

In post 15142, Noraa wrote:
In post 15126, butterflies wrote:VOTE: Noraa

I want to show zir some grace.
i actually hate that seeing this post makes me think you might be town what the actual fuck. anyhow, you're gonna have to deal with it and realize me being town and me scumreading you are not mutually exclusive.

This isn’t how town!you interacts with me in any game I’ve been town in ever. It’s saying one helluva lot that you were able to thoroughly shatter Taly’s locktight mist on me and all of the effort Math and Taly put in at distancing and even Toog’s post.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:09 pm**

I've been trying to play like how scum me plays in terms of agreeing with people and trying to get townreads. its not fun for me to die day 1 every towngame. see my last game before i retired. i tried to replicate my scum meta and got tunneled by everyone who has played with me before.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:10 pm**

I know that sounds stupid but when I literally die day 1 in like 60% of my town games, its not stupid.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:13 pm**

In post 15144, Best Bird wrote:I've re-asked and I have an assumption of what Luke will say.

Actually was a bit surprised. Johnny first is smarter, but we'll compromise on noraa if not Johnny.

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