The game of the year: town won!

[Amrun]

Btw, Tech is probably town for his paranoia, just misguided.

[TeChNoWC]

Your "read" is based off of Luffy "bussing" UN, so that's absolutely not true. It doesn't make any sense. You said you were only voting Luffy because he had a wagon on him and UN did not.

Again, not what I said, and again, not my only argument against (though yes it was one of my main arguments, and I concur has little weight).

I said Luffy had a wagon, UN didn't. Not that IF UN had a wagon I WOULD abandon the Luffy wagon and vote him, but if he had a wagon and Luffy didn't I would be voting him. I was unclear in my wording but what I meant was 'both are good lynches, Luffy more so'. My other points on Luffy are

1. Provides two reasons (found another one after a third ISO hidden in a spoiler and a large wall) one that T-Bone voted moneybags and two that his votes seemed opportunistic (yet T-Bone had already explained his angle on this).
2. Nevertheless, kept telling everyone he had a strong case on T-Bone
3. Voted for T-Bone BEFORE he even came up with these reads or noticed them
4. Seemed to be trying to rolefish off Kairyuu
5. Said T-Bone was leading town, but at that stage never said he thought he was scummy, yet had a vote on him anyway, and belittled other people for PL voting
6. classic WIFOM after T-Bone flipped, feigning town surprise
7. Pushed for a T-Bone lynch when UN was supposedly his 'strong scumread', and yet posted little about him nor tried to convince others of his scumminess
8. Long walls on his reads on others (not a great tell, but often scum like to hide amongst lots of words and big posts with little telling content).

[UberNinja]

But what you're all missing is that Luffy can't be bussing me because... wait for it... I'm town.

[BBmolla]

Tech's post here is awful. It's all based upon bussing despite no scumflip, it's dumb as shit.

Elmo is scum btw.

I take it back, he's town.

Tech is scum.

Never mind, one of Tech and Amrun is scum, not both.(assuming one scumteam)

Your reasons are all bad and the only reason that would be compelling (bussing) is only true if UN is scum. You admitted that you think UN should die first, but you are voting Luffy because he has a bandwagon on him. So yes, you are bandwagoning. Luffy wasn't JUST bandwagoning either - and yes, his reasons for voting T-Bone were kind of bad, but that doesn't mean he didn't have reasons.

GOODPOSTING

[UberNinja]

Why did you just change your mind about Elmo and semi-change your mind about Tech? Make a post with words and make the words mean something. "Whoops I really meant X" IN THE SAME POST went out of style back when... well, back when stating standalone conclusions instead of past hypotheses THEN conclusions came into style.

Additionally:

Based on your "(assuming one scum team)" part, I'm assuming that you know there's more than one scum team, and you're trying to distance yourself from the fact that you know there's more than one so you'll be a less attractive cross-kill target.

Additionally:

Good job buddying up to Amrun. If she were making anything other than an obvious point this wouldn't be so bad. But as it is... well...

[BBmolla]

1. Stop attacking my playstyle you twit.
2. What I said doesn't work without assuming one game you twit.
3. I'm voting Amrun you twit.

[mykonian]

votecount

luffy (3): spyrex, staeg, TechnoWC
BBmolla (2): theamateur, uberninja
amrun (2): MattP, BBmolla
lowman (2): amrun, elmo teh azn
PeregrineV (1): Hoopla
RedFF (1): Lowman
PeregrineV (1): trevor
YYR (1): RedFF

[Amrun]

BBmolla, seriously, don't say GOODPOSTING at me with your vote on me. You're being ridiculous.

[BBmolla]

Just because I think you're scum doesn't mean your shutting down of shitty logic isn't legitimate.

[Zajnet]

BBmolla, seriously, don't say GOODPOSTING at me with your vote on me. You're being ridiculous.

QFT, to the point where I'm going to:

VOTE: BBmolla

He started piquing my interest with the weird lyncher thing. Think about it from this point of view:

A townie claiming that the game is now over might draw out scum claims, or he might draw out town claims.

However, a scum claiming that the game is now over would only draw out town claims (or potentially another scumteam's claims) because his scum partners would know he was lying.

[Amrun]

No, but you making a post like that without even ADDRESSING the fact that you're voting for me is terrible.

[BBmolla]

BBmolla, seriously, don't say GOODPOSTING at me with your vote on me. You're being ridiculous.

QFT, to the point where I'm going to:

VOTE: BBmolla

He started piquing my interest with the weird lyncher thing. Think about it from this point of view:

A townie claiming that the game is now over might draw out scum claims, or he might draw out town claims.

However, a scum claiming that the game is now over would only draw out town claims (or potentially another scumteam's claims) because his scum partners would know he was lying.

Oh so it's meaningless.

Got it.

[BBmolla]

No, but you making a post like that without even ADDRESSING the fact that you're voting for me is terrible.

"GOODPOSTING but you're still scum."

I figured the second part was a given considering my vote.

[Amrun]

Why do you think one, and only one, of me and tehcueouehw is scum?

[BBmolla]

Because you're both scummy as shit but aren't partners due to interactions.

[Amrun]

So you know there's one scum team?

[BBmolla]

That or a lucky doc/roleblocker. But I don't see why I have reason to believe there are two with the evidence given.

[callforjudgement]

Yaaawwn this is stupiddd but lets go ahead and get it done fast

Unvote, Vote: T-Bone

(I wasn't paying attention and I thought we had one more yesterday)

This is easily the worst of the votes on T-Bone. I had my eye on SpyreX for bad votes yesterday, and if he's going to continue with this crazy argument that lynching townies to prove the people on their wagon wrong is a good idea, his play is so shockingly anti-town that he's probably scum and even if he isn't he'll effectively count as scum.
VOTE: SpyreX

HOW THE FUCK DID ANYONE FALL FOR THAT

QFT.

BBmolla, seriously, don't say GOODPOSTING at me with your vote on me. You're being ridiculous.

QFT, to the point where I'm going to:

VOTE: BBmolla

He started piquing my interest with the weird lyncher thing. Think about it from this point of view:

A townie claiming that the game is now over might draw out scum claims, or he might draw out town claims.

However, a scum claiming that the game is now over would only draw out town claims (or potentially another scumteam's claims) because his scum partners would know he was lying.

I'd like to point out that there's a topic in Mafia Discussion about just this gambit (claiming that the game is over in the hope that people start claiming). Although it was a really failgambit (I noticed that most of the players on the list weren't in the game, although keeping votecounts gives me a better idea of who is and isn't; and a 6-man game-ending lyncher team in a 50-player setup with one NK and five lynches a day is obviously ridiculous), and I wouldn't expect it to produce information useful to town until there are very few scum left. (It's already been mentioned that daytalk is likely, in which case any scumbag who notices could send their scumbuddies a notice in their QT; and even if there's no daytalk, calling someone on it in the thread wouldn't be at all out of place for either town or scum, and scum are likely to pay attention to warnings coming from their buddies.)

I'm inclined to think that the gambit's just dumb, though, rather than coming from town or scum in particular.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• BBmolla (3)
  : theamatuer UberNinja Zajnet
  
• Luffy (3)
  : SpyreX Staeg TeChNoWC
  
• Amrun (2)
  : MattP BBmolla
  
• Lowman (2)
  : Amrun Elmo TeH AzN
  
• PeregrineV (2)
  : Trevor Hoopla
  
• SpyreX (1)
  : callforjudgement
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  Captain Corporal Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu Luffy Lowman manho Mastermind of Sin Milk kondi2424 Nobody Special PeregrineV petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc syndromeofadown TheTrollie YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 40 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[Amrun]

That or a lucky doc/roleblocker. But I don't see why I have reason to believe there are two with the evidence given.

....

seriously

lol

[BBmolla]

I'm inclined to think that the gambit's just dumb, though, rather than coming from town or scum in particular.

^

It honestly was a joke the first thing I posted, kondi and trevor ran with it for funsies.

@Amrun:

I'm confused, do you think otherwise?

[BBmolla]

Like I don't understand why me assuming there is one scumteam atm when only one person died is so ludicrous.

...

[Amrun]

Honestly? I think there is a much higher chance of two scum teams in THIS game, though it's not a sure thing. And even so, ONE night of one flip means NOTHING, which was more my point.

[BBmolla]

Amrun I expected Two Scum Teams, A Serial killer, a Vig, and MULTIPLE dayvigs.

I'm not going to enforce my assumptions with any lack of reasoning to do so. I don't understand why you're making a big deal out of it either.

[PeregrineV]

This. I would consider a in-thread masonry with TBone, Rhinox, & TechNow, Wednesday Muffin, Kairyuu

Still stick by this.

Add Amrun to my list.

More later, but some are tricky (spryeX, etc.)

Also, Kondi=Muffin?
That's cool.

Don't be mad you got caught Trevor. Just don't vote obtown like Rhinox next time when they suggest non-random lynching.

And argument by repetition? Perhaps you should include it in your sig....

Vote: Trevor