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In post 1513, Egg wrote:In mafia, you typically accept that your reads aren't perfect. That being said, who do you have as scum after a town flip from either syryana or myself?

You, Bacde, and Syryana are my shortlist for scum. Mac and GM are town and shouldn't be lynched. Ever.

In post 1514, Syryana wrote:

In post 1510, Bulbazak wrote:Or Bo knew that what I said

wasn't

a scumslip, since he was Mafia, and he probably knew that my play was off this game. I had answered him completely and logically, if he pushed it further, he knew he would risk waking me up game-wise, and the last thing he would need would be me latched onto him for the rest of the game (see: Egg). I've noticed that scum tend to like to keep me around for a later mislynch (But not Lylo.).

How would he know your play was off this game that early? He's only played one game with you, not including this one. Are ye really saying Bo didn't push it because he was scared of ye? Really?

I've only played one game with Bo, true, but in that game, we were lovers, which means that Bo got to see how my mind works when scumhunting. Namely, when I had a really strong scumread on someone, Jmo in this case, I latched on and didn't let go. You should know that as well, since you replaced into Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple and read through the game, which means you saw how I tunneled the crap out of Metal Overlord when I was convinced he was scum. There is no doubt in my mind that Bo recognized I wasn't playing up to par when the game began. As for not pushing me, it probably wasn't because he was afraid of me, rather it was probably because he saw how much suspicion I was drawing, knew from my play that I was town, and knew that he could get towncred for correctly calling me so.

In post 1514, Syryana wrote:

In post 1510, Bulbazak wrote:So now me pointing out a formatting error is scummy, especially since it is something I tend to do (null tell)? Or is it Bo's asking about it, because need I remind you that you did too?

No, I'm pointing out a series of events where Bo attacks you on silly shit and drops it. I.e. scum theater.

You dropped the robot questioning too. Does that make you scum for performing scum theater as well?

In post 1514, Syryana wrote:

In post 1510, Bulbazak wrote:Hey, you know what you do when the person you're pursuing claims a PR? You drop them and wait for a counter claim, especially in an open format where we know exactly what's in the game. If you continue to push them regardless, should they flip the PR, it ruins your credibility and makes you an unnecessary distraction when trying to find scum.

I'm not calling you scum because you didn't push Icebox. I'm calling you scum because you had like zero reaction to their claim. No knee jerk reaction, no questioning of Icebox, nothing. Took you like four hours to even mention their name after the claim. You panicked, plain and simple and tried to vanish off the face of the earth cause you helped out a PR.

Actually, I did react to their claim:

In post 623, Bulbazak wrote: P-Edit:

I thought them outing themselves the way they did was incredibly stupid.

In post 1514, Syryana wrote: Now I'm Bo's partner, is that what you're saying? Let's see what you got, giant!

That's the conclusion I'm beginning to come to. I'll have to see if I have time to do a proper ISO.

In post 1514, Syryana wrote:

In post 1510, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1504, goodmorning wrote:I can see why people think Mac is Town but am becoming less sure about Bacde myself and Syr is still in my bottom three. Still working on reread, sorry it's been crazy for me recently.

You've had the Syryana-scum read since you replaced into the game. Can you give me a full explanation of why. I'm not experienced at reading Syryana, as I always tend to read him as town most of the time.

Wait, wasn't I scum just a minute ago? Now you can't read me?

I was going to ask GM this anyway, as I wanted to see why she suspected you. Your post just came first chronologically. To be honest, I always initially read you as town. The only reason I've gotten such a strong scumread on you recently is due to the nature of your push on me. It doesn't feel genuine.

In post 1514, Syryana wrote:

In post 1512, Bulbazak wrote:I have a strong meta read that says GM is town. I've called GM's alignment correctly in every game I've been in with her. She is def. town, along with Mac. Bacde is prob. town, but in the event of Lylo, this needs to be reexamined. You are my top wolf read. Syryana is my top mafia read. Personally, I just want this game to be over with, that way I can focus on my other 2 games given my limited computer time.

Now I'm his top mafia pick again
Your read on me is fake, and you're fake
Flail harder, it will not save you

You never stopped being my top mafia pick.

Going to try to get a Bacde and Syryana ISO done today (fingers crossed). Should I be lynched, look at the survivors and extrapolate from there. Egg should be tomorrow's lynch. Syryana is not the wolf, mainly because if he was, I feel as if I'd be dead already, since I think I made him really paranoid after Donner Party. Be prepared, should I die, tomorrow will be Mylo, unless the wolf actually shoots Syryana tonight. I think the wolf was aiming for mafia with Kuribo last night, since the mod announced that mafia would win if both were still alive at the end. The wolf is in panic mode and is actively searching for the other faction. Use that to your advantage. I'll try to finish my ISO of Bacde at least, but if I'm lynched before that, good luck town.

In post 1521, Mac wrote:bacde's entrance today was very WIFOM-y and there's something else he said which made me nervous as hell.

i think i'm happy with my bulba vote right now however.

what was WIFOMy about it?

ugh don't do this to me mac

convince me that its bulba

lol I love how everyone thinks I'm like amazing at scum or something

I'm always under suspicion, even when I freaking find 2 scum right off the bat

if you guys actually ever played w/ me as scum, you'd realize I'm not that good at it

In post 1527, Bacde wrote:lol I love how everyone thinks I'm like amazing at scum or something

I'm always under suspicion, even when I freaking find 2 scum right off the bat

if you guys actually ever played w/ me as scum, you'd realize I'm not that good at it

THIS post is WIFOMy, but its true

what was wifomy about my start today though?

In post 1473, Bacde wrote:<-- was considering the possibility of kuribo-scum

awesomeee thx wolf

this^ just felt kinda fake. WIFOM-y maybe not the right word but it's like you are faking communication with the wolf cos you are the wolf.

if that makes sense.

i dunno anymore. i think I'll keep you as town.

In post 1529, Mac wrote:

In post 1473, Bacde wrote:<-- was considering the possibility of kuribo-scum

awesomeee thx wolf

this^ just felt kinda fake. WIFOM-y maybe not the right word but it's like you are faking communication with the wolf cos you are the wolf.

if that makes sense.

i dunno anymore. i think I'll keep you as town.

I get constantly accused of being fake

it means nothing

I'm the real deal baby

Remember micro 180? I got accused of being fake there too

I'm glad you have me as town because I am town man, remember when Bulb tried to convince me that you were scum-buddying me?

Now he's got it flipped around, it was ME trying to scum-buddy you

actually I'm doing a gj of convincing myself that bulb is scum

Can you convince me though? I wanna hear your reasoning

In post 1530, Bacde wrote:[quote="In
Now he's got it flipped around, it was ME trying to scum-buddy you

I never said that.

Mac, three of us made comments towards the wolf after the kuribo kill. What makes bacde's the "fake" one?

In post 1532, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1530, Bacde wrote: Now he's got it flipped around, it was ME trying to scum-buddy you

I never said that.

Really? Then what did you mean by this:

In post 1525, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1513, Egg wrote:In mafia, you typically accept that your reads aren't perfect. That being said, who do you have as scum after a town flip from either syryana or myself?

You, Bacde, and Syryana are my shortlist for scum. Mac and GM are town and shouldn't be lynched. Ever.

In post 1534, Bacde wrote:

In post 1532, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1530, Bacde wrote: Now he's got it flipped around, it was ME trying to scum-buddy you

I never said that.

Really? Then what did you mean by this:

In post 1525, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1513, Egg wrote:In mafia, you typically accept that your reads aren't perfect. That being said, who do you have as scum after a town flip from either syryana or myself?

You, Bacde, and Syryana are my shortlist for scum. Mac and GM are town and shouldn't be lynched. Ever.

Exactly what I said. I have strong town reads on Mac and GM and strong scum reads on Egg and Syryana. I'm still working out what I think about your slot, however if I'm wrong about either Egg or Syryana, you're probably the last scum.

Lets assume that you are scum:

which of Egg/Syr is the other scum, and which one is the mislynch?

bacde were you thinking kuribo-scum because of TNE?

what about the fake hammer reactions which made him like 100% town

In post 1537, Mac wrote:bacde were you thinking kuribo-scum because of TNE?

what about the fake hammer reactions which made him like 100% town

I wasn't looking or thinking about fake-hammer reactions, which I just remembered right now

I just saw the KURIBORAGE which felt genuine, but I know that Kuribo can fake it too

I guess you guys could have convinced me again that he was town today if he was alive, because honestly the hammer-reactions didn't enter my radar at all

bulba is just gut. genuinely, there's some things that have made me feel 'wolf' towards bulba.

the killing of DBK when i was suspecting him was possibly to say "hey he's town" and continuing pushing me.

and then there was the fuzzy interactions early on.

In post 1539, Mac wrote:the killing of DBK when i was suspecting him was possibly to say "hey he's town" and continuing pushing me.

I could see this actually

the reason i still suspect him is cos he immediately called me town afterwards. like there was no way I'd be bussing

In post 1536, Bacde wrote:Lets assume that you are scum:

which of Egg/Syr is the other scum, and which one is the mislynch?

Egg would be the mislynch. Syryana is mafia, because if he was wolf, he'd probably have shot me by now.

In post 1541, Mac wrote:the reason i still suspect him is cos he immediately called me town afterwards. like there was no way I'd be bussing

Wait though

if he killed DBK to say "hey he's town" and keep pushing on you

why did he stop pushing on you?

Yeah, I didn't have to go all the way through the ISO. Bacde's hardcore town.

@Bacde: Did you want me to answer that too, or only Mac? Let me know soon, because I don't have much computer time left in the day.

In post 1544, Bulbazak wrote:@Bacde: Did you want me to answer that too, or only Mac? Let me know soon, because I don't have much computer time left in the day.

sure go ahead and answer

In post 1543, Bacde wrote: why did he stop pushing on you?

Because of the Klick flip. There was no way that Mac would push that hard on Klick as mafia, especially since Klick was seen as town at the time.

In post 1543, Bacde wrote:

In post 1541, Mac wrote:the reason i still suspect him is cos he immediately called me town afterwards. like there was no way I'd be bussing

Wait though

if he killed DBK to say "hey he's town" and keep pushing on you

why did he stop pushing on you?

Because DBK flipped mafia, not town.

He couldn't push on me cos I was right.

^ which makes him the wolf

Tie that in with early interactions with fuzzy... Yeah Bulba's a wolf.

In post 1525, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1514, Syryana wrote:

In post 1510, Bulbazak wrote:Or Bo knew that what I said

wasn't

a scumslip, since he was Mafia, and he probably knew that my play was off this game. I had answered him completely and logically, if he pushed it further, he knew he would risk waking me up game-wise, and the last thing he would need would be me latched onto him for the rest of the game (see: Egg). I've noticed that scum tend to like to keep me around for a later mislynch (But not Lylo.).

How would he know your play was off this game that early? He's only played one game with you, not including this one. Are ye really saying Bo didn't push it because he was scared of ye? Really?

I've only played one game with Bo, true, but in that game, we were lovers, which means that Bo got to see how my mind works when scumhunting. Namely, when I had a really strong scumread on someone, Jmo in this case, I latched on and didn't let go. You should know that as well, since you replaced into Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple and read through the game, which means you saw how I tunneled the crap out of Metal Overlord when I was convinced he was scum. There is no doubt in my mind that Bo recognized I wasn't playing up to par when the game began. As for not pushing me, it probably wasn't because he was afraid of me, rather it was probably because he saw how much suspicion I was drawing, knew from my play that I was town, and knew that he could get towncred for correctly calling me so.

I did some checking. You tunnel regardless of alignment. I also checked that lovers game. I don't see how Bo could have "known your game wasn't up to par when the game started".

In post 1525, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1514, Syryana wrote:

In post 1510, Bulbazak wrote:So now me pointing out a formatting error is scummy, especially since it is something I tend to do (null tell)? Or is it Bo's asking about it, because need I remind you that you did too?

No, I'm pointing out a series of events where Bo attacks you on silly shit and drops it. I.e. scum theater.

You dropped the robot questioning too. Does that make you scum for performing scum theater as well?

Notice how I figured out what you were talking about as soon as you mentioned the link in Autti's post. Then notice how Bo didn't, twice. He had no clue about the link. He even went back to reread the post and didn't notice.(#207, #209) Then, after I explained what it meant, he'd forgotten entirely that you'd made the comment in the first place (#211). Ergo, his attack was fake as fuck.

In post 1525, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1514, Syryana wrote:

In post 1510, Bulbazak wrote:Hey, you know what you do when the person you're pursuing claims a PR? You drop them and wait for a counter claim, especially in an open format where we know exactly what's in the game. If you continue to push them regardless, should they flip the PR, it ruins your credibility and makes you an unnecessary distraction when trying to find scum.

I'm not calling you scum because you didn't push Icebox. I'm calling you scum because you had like zero reaction to their claim. No knee jerk reaction, no questioning of Icebox, nothing. Took you like four hours to even mention their name after the claim. You panicked, plain and simple and tried to vanish off the face of the earth cause you helped out a PR.

Actually, I did react to their claim:

In post 623, Bulbazak wrote: P-Edit:

I thought them outing themselves the way they did was incredibly stupid.

A facepalm emote. Your defense is a facepalm emote? You didn't even unvote for another half an hour. Is that how long it took for you to calm your thudding heart?

In post 1525, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1514, Syryana wrote: Now I'm Bo's partner, is that what you're saying? Let's see what you got, giant!

That's the conclusion I'm beginning to come to. I'll have to see if I have time to do a proper ISO.

Funny how this conclusion popped up right around the time my wall calling you scum did.

In post 1525, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1514, Syryana wrote:

In post 1510, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1504, goodmorning wrote:I can see why people think Mac is Town but am becoming less sure about Bacde myself and Syr is still in my bottom three. Still working on reread, sorry it's been crazy for me recently.

You've had the Syryana-scum read since you replaced into the game. Can you give me a full explanation of why. I'm not experienced at reading Syryana, as I always tend to read him as town most of the time.

Wait, wasn't I scum just a minute ago? Now you can't read me?

I was going to ask GM this anyway, as I wanted to see why she suspected you. Your post just came first chronologically. To be honest, I always initially read you as town. The only reason I've gotten such a strong scumread on you recently is due to the nature of your push on me. It doesn't feel genuine.

Not genuine, you say? Point out the not-genuine parts?

In post 1525, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 1514, Syryana wrote:

In post 1512, Bulbazak wrote:I have a strong meta read that says GM is town. I've called GM's alignment correctly in every game I've been in with her. She is def. town, along with Mac. Bacde is prob. town, but in the event of Lylo, this needs to be reexamined. You are my top wolf read. Syryana is my top mafia read. Personally, I just want this game to be over with, that way I can focus on my other 2 games given my limited computer time.

Now I'm his top mafia pick again
Your read on me is fake, and you're fake
Flail harder, it will not save you

You never stopped being my top mafia pick.

Hmm. You sure bout that? Let's look at your reads.



Huh. That's weird. I could swear that's my name, right there in your town column.