Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 10:37 am
No, only ongoing ones.In post 1511, Mac wrote:budermar/ffery do you have any completed games as 2?
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No, only ongoing ones.In post 1511, Mac wrote:budermar/ffery do you have any completed games as 2?
If you can't have what you want, want what you can have ♥
I'm talking about the wagon analysis I did on the Sven wagon.In post 1520, Nachomamma8 wrote:You'll find wagon analysis won't be as reliable when so much of the conversation has been dominated by us. Scum is not going to pick a side in this argument until they know what the fuck is going on. What do you think of my townblock (if I added you)?In post 1519, ² wrote:Nacho, what do you think of my wagon analysis? (if you can put aside your idea of us being scum for just a moment and look at it)
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i'll get you one day babe
whaaaaatIn post 1523, ² wrote:Well he jumped us when I refuted his argument, asserting that I was trying to discredit him by asking for an explanation, which I thought looked scummy. I'm not sure about f's read on Mac, though.In post 1502, Nachomamma8 wrote:Wait, who thought Mac was scummy?
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I liked this. It was an unpopular position, and it shows another form of independent thought.In post 161, Mac wrote:Reading page 2 at the moment. Sven is pretty town: his reasoning is solid. He is NOT wrong in saying that even if someone claims Miller, if they are universally town read they will probably be killed, regardless of claiming Miller.
usually when scum finds antitown shit like this, they go crazy on it. Mac did not.
I think the progression on this read great. Initially found Varsoon scummy, sees him attack an obvtown player he was afraid to attack before, has a little residue paranoia because he's unfamiliar with a scumgame.In post 691, Mac wrote:I liked orc for town early on and think I still do. players like nacho, mollie & co are probably a lot better at reading him than I am but so far he's playing pretty similar to the poetic justice game that finished not long back. however I am unaware of his scum game as of yet so I'm not sure how comparable his town game is to his scum game.
that said, your attack is pretty brave since he's been townread by alot of players so far. does that make you town? possibly, it's very putting-yourself-out-there and it's not something I'd expect from scum. however I don't know your scum game. do you have any completed scum games I can take a look at?
super fucking genuine.In post 698, Mac wrote:actually that's a dumb question and should be ignored.
And this is very, very solid. He's seeing things he could easily attack, picking up on it, throwing them on the table for observation and not attacking them.In post 811, Mac wrote:TD wagon.. hard to tell with TD. his sven vote is stupid and his "everyone hates me " post is stupid but I can't differentiate that between scum/dumb town play at the moment. Aj's vote on TD is a big misrep too, TD did not vote Nacho because "no scum would ever claim miller" but because Nacho felt opportunistic. I mean, yeah sure that is SO far from the truth about Nacho but that's a big stretch of a misrep. since then, Aj has tunneled the shit out of him and apparently believes TD is "conf scum" but how he came to this conclusion is anyone's guess.
TD, check the timestamps on this one. He saw my vote, was like "yeah, I was thinking the same thing", ISO'ed AJ, voted. I see no reason for a posture that you're gonna turn into a stance 15 minutes later, so this felt good to me.
I tunneled the fuck out of him in Poetic Justice, as did Marangal. None of his responses looked anything like this.In post 990, Mac wrote:I get the feeling ghost is tunneling me. like hell I'm "agreeing with nacho to look town." fucking ridiculous reasoning. Apparently to ghost alot of my posts "look town" but I'm still scum. I'm bored of him tunneling me already.
This backs my original thought up, and the fact that he was like "no, that's not happened but even if it did I wouldn't give a shit". Beautiful.In post 996, Mac wrote:just because nacho voted before me, doesn't mean I was waiting for him. regardless, nacho's a strong town read of mine so I'd feel pretty comfortable with him anyway.In post 945, Aj The Epic wrote: Mac's vote looks bad. He presents a well thought-out case on me, then waits for Nacho to vote. I've got to run to work (I just needed to catch up before you guys let loose the flood gates) so I'll respond more to his post later.
Fucking awesome trajectory in this vote, ffery back me up on this one.In post 1338, Mac wrote:no. no it's not? you are usually an aggresive player and not afraid to throw out a scumread. you spent most of poetic justice preaching to the high heavens about how Majiffy was correctly scum. now, your scumreads are tenative, and you are making an effort to discredit me by lumping me in with mollie's sheeping which is completely untrue.In post 1335, ² wrote:You're going to have to examplify this, because I don't see it, and it looks a bit like a silly excuse to sheep mollie's tunneling.In post 1318, Mac wrote:why are you hanging fire?
I still don't think that should effect how cautious buldermar is. it's out of character.
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VOTE: 2
I am more than comfortable with this now.
p-edit: a little better. I'm still happy with this vote.
I'm literally too tired to explain another townread.In post 1521, ² wrote:Why is Varsoon town?
Havn't talked to f about Andrius yet. (correction, I talked to her while making this post and she has a strong town read on him, which I'm inclined to trust)In post 1414, Nachomamma8 wrote:3. Andrius
4. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy + pirate mollie)
5. BROseidon
6. Cabd
8. Ghostlin
9. GuyInFreezer
11. Mac
13. orcinus_theoriginal
14. RachMarie
18. TiphaineDeath
20. Varsoon
I'm not lynching any of these people. Most of them I'm not lynching ever, but there's too many people in here for me to actually say that. I would like everyone in this list to focus in on each other if they aren't comfortable with each other, though.
I guess the burden is on me to prove that you jumped on us, which I shall do.In post 1529, Mac wrote:whaaaaatIn post 1523, ² wrote:Well he jumped us when I refuted his argument, asserting that I was trying to discredit him by asking for an explanation, which I thought looked scummy. I'm not sure about f's read on Mac, though.In post 1502, Nachomamma8 wrote:Wait, who thought Mac was scummy?
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this is flat out not true. 1) I did not "jump you" - I asked with your scumreads were so tentative. 2) i said you were trying to discredit me my lumping me in with mollie's tunneling. nothing else. not because you "asked for an explanation"
Theif.In post 1530, Nachomamma8 wrote:Fucking awesome trajectory in this vote, ffery back me up on this one.
In post 1332, ² wrote:I think I've been pretty straightforward, I just havn't spend time trying to read all of the players in this game yet. Which of my reads do you think I'm being tentative with? I'll try to elaborate on my thoughts.In post 1306, Mac wrote:buldermar you are being very tentative with your scum reads. And I can't remember you ever being this tentative.
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In post 1335, ² wrote:You're going to have to examplify this, because I don't see it, and it looks a bit like a silly excuse to sheep mollie's tunneling.In post 1318, Mac wrote:why are you hanging fire?
I still don't think that should effect how cautious buldermar is. it's out of character.
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Then you continue to claim that I'm not doing what I usually do without specifying what that is. You repeat yourself, asserting that my scumreads are tentative - which is what I questioned and wanted you to elaborate on. You didn't mention how my explanation wasn't satisfactory. In addition, you claim that I was making an effort to discredit you by lumping you in with mollie's tunneling, when I was pointing out that you were looking opportunistic by not elaborating on what you mean with tentative.In post 1337, ² wrote:Mac:In post 1302, ² wrote:Town:
Nacho
B & B
Orc
Sven
Maybe Vasoon
Scum:
At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd}
Maybe TMTOL
Maybe AJ (based on f's opinion)
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At least one of {TD, GiF, Cabd} because of post 1139. My quite simple hypothesis that has not yet been falsified is that a lot of players will, as scum, jump on the biggest/most promising wagon early on and do so with an unoriginal reason, but nonetheless a reason. These are the candidates because B & B is almost without a doubt town.
I have, however, town read individual posts of GiF and Cabd, which means that my scum read on TD is that much stronger. The reason why we're not voting TD is because f, orc and Nacho is convinced that he's town (which I still disagree with).
Does this clarify?
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In post 1338, Mac wrote:no. no it's not? you are usually an aggresive player and not afraid to throw out a scumread. you spent most of poetic justice preaching to the high heavens about how Majiffy was correctly scum. now, your scumreads are tenative, and you are making an effort to discredit me by lumping me in with mollie's sheeping which is completely untrue.In post 1335, ² wrote:You're going to have to examplify this, because I don't see it, and it looks a bit like a silly excuse to sheep mollie's tunneling.In post 1318, Mac wrote:why are you hanging fire?
I still don't think that should effect how cautious buldermar is. it's out of character.
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VOTE: 2
I am more than comfortable with this now.
p-edit: a little better. I'm still happy with this vote.
Okay. Where do you mention any reason for this scum-lean?In post 1536, Varsoon wrote:@2, I've had you has a scum-lean for most the game so far.
*crosses arms*
Why vote AJ, Nacho?
if we were like 10 pages in and 200 posts then I would accept this counter argument. but as it stands there are 54 pages and 1342 posts and you are telling me that you have not gathered a single strong scum read from any of them? this is either poor scumhunting or fencesitting, and since I know you are a good player, I'm going for the latter.[/quote]In post 1344, Mac wrote:How the hell is that being cautious? Is it not plausible that I simply havn't made a strong scum read (not counting TD) at this point in time?In post 1342, ² wrote:In post 1334, Mac wrote:your scum reads. they are "maybe A, maybe B, and one of {X/Y/Z} - it's cautious for you.In post 1332, ² wrote:I think I've been pretty straightforward, I just havn't spend time trying to read all of the players in this game yet. Which of my reads do you think I'm being tentative with? I'll try to elaborate on my thoughts.In post 1306, Mac wrote:buldermar you are being very tentative with your scum reads. And I can't remember you ever being this tentative.
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Eh, Iso me.In post 1538, ² wrote:Okay. Where do you mention any reason for this scum-lean?In post 1536, Varsoon wrote:@2, I've had you has a scum-lean for most the game so far.
*crosses arms*
Why vote AJ, Nacho?
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In post 1347, ² wrote:I'm about to lose my temper, but I'll try to remain calm. I have not read nearly any of the longer posts, and many of the shorter ones, just to stay up with the pace of this game. It's inadequate time if anything, which does result in poor scumhunting in the sense that scumhunting efficiency correlates with time invested. I've asked f to sign up as a hydra in games with me rather than individual players because that way I hoped to not be forced to spend more time that I can afford right now (she can confirm, but that probably doesn't work for you).In post 1344, Mac wrote:How the hell is that being cautious? Is it not plausible that I simply havn't made a strong scum read (not counting TD) at this point in time?In post 1342, ² wrote:In post 1334, Mac wrote:your scum reads. they are "maybe A, maybe B, and one of {X/Y/Z} - it's cautious for you.In post 1332, ² wrote:I think I've been pretty straightforward, I just havn't spend time trying to read all of the players in this game yet. Which of my reads do you think I'm being tentative with? I'll try to elaborate on my thoughts.In post 1306, Mac wrote:buldermar you are being very tentative with your scum reads. And I can't remember you ever being this tentative.
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if we were like 10 pages in and 200 posts then I would accept this counter argument. but as it stands there are 54 pages and 1342 posts and you are telling me that you have not gathered a single strong scum read from any of them? this is either poor scumhunting or fencesitting, and since I know you are a good player, I'm going for the latter.
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You mean "I'd like to see you flip", I hope.In post 1541, Varsoon wrote:Eh, Iso me.In post 1538, ² wrote:Okay. Where do you mention any reason for this scum-lean?In post 1536, Varsoon wrote:@2, I've had you has a scum-lean for most the game so far.
*crosses arms*
Why vote AJ, Nacho?
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If there's not any good reason in there, then, gut, I guess.
Regardless, I'd like to see your flip.
Yes, because I had previously, and several times, explained that I havn't had time to read everything, and you were trying to use it against me (my interpretation).In post 1544, Mac wrote:WHY HAS THAT QUOTE NOT WORKED AGAIN?!
in poetic justice ffery was very conservative - something which I called her out on. she was indie.
in poetic justice, you were not afraid to throw out a scumread. you were town.
in xenoblade mafia, you are both being cautious, "maybe X, maybe Y" kinda reads. Then you go all "I'm going to lose my temper" for like no reason just because I'm questioning (nope, not tunneling either) you about your reads.