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Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:03 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
calcifer goes before TMT
1520 I agree with completely
Serene, can we talk about fery
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:33 pm
by Rift Adrift
Or, you could talk
to
fery.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:42 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
no i'm going to ignore you
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:46 pm
by Rift Adrift
You can try.
You are town reading Bulba. Why?
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:58 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
In post 1473, Rift Adrift wrote:Yeah. I may be a luddite for leaving Cephrir in my willing to lynch pile right now, but his catch up posts aren't giving me unadulterated warm fuzzies.
so your distrust of cephrir starts here, not sure why, i liked them.
In post 1492, Rift Adrift wrote: In post 1490, Cephrir wrote:Rift: Nulltown, haven't pinged me at all or wowed me like ffery did in Amnesiac.
I wowed you in amnesiac? I was only around for a day. IIRC I wound up with 5 or 6 votes on me at one point, including yours.
this doesn't seem like a reason for people not to be wowed
i mean, you dug yourself out of it and your gameplay isn't exactly universally accepted
In post 1497, Rift Adrift wrote:
Your read-flip on me kept me suspcious of you for the rest of that game day. My only real regret about that game is that I didn't try a hell of a lot harder to get serra lynched.
blah
In post 1498, Rift Adrift wrote: In post 1496, Cephrir wrote:Well, I *have* some, but some of them aren't very strong.
There are also a lot of lurkers in this game.
True re the lurkers. Some of the players that came off most scummy early on have disappeared. That includes your predecessor.
to what extent is doc holiday's scumminess transferring over?
In post 1506, Rift Adrift wrote: In post 1489, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1193, Rift Adrift wrote: In post 1191, DOMO wrote:I am curious to know if there's any more masons. But from a tactical point of view, I'd rather not know today, because keeping scum in the dark in that respect is better than feeding my curiosity.
If scum do not know how many masons there are, they won't fakeclaim mason, so I'm not sure why BRO asking how many masons there are can be considered as a counter to scum fakeclaims. On the contrary, knowing how many there are tells scum if there's anything to gain or not from fakeclaiming mason.
If both masons die tonight (highly unlikely but yeah it's possible), then we deal with anyone who claims to be a 3rd and final mason if and when it happens. We see if it makes sense for them to be a mason with serene and dram. It's not a concern, because it's a remote chance that both masons die tonight, and someone later claims to be a 3rd, with no 4th to confirm. It's much better imo to keep scum guessing. If they don't know how many masons there are, they can't make an optimal decision on who to NK tonight, because they'll be torn between trimming down the mason group, and hunting other PRs.
Yeah I can see more scum motivation than town for asking how many masons there are.
First post from you guys that has unequivocally hit me as town-motivated. Recalibrating.
I don't get it. How so?
It's a well reasoned,
town
reasoned explanation for why town doesn't need to know the number of masons today, and why leaving the uncertainty in play for scum makes town sense.
i would agree that it's a town-motivated post (jesus christ how is DOMO not town yet to you), but i would disagree with the conclusion
sure, it might make more sense to keep scum in the dark on mason number, but you're not explaining very well why BRO thinking up an elaborate plan for scum is more likely than him just making a bad decision as town
Rift Adrift wrote:You can try.
You are town reading Bulba. Why?
like i said i'm not seeing any scummy posts and you'll need to bring some to my attention
serene's case is shit
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:08 pm
by fferyllt
Re Cephrir, these posts
In post 1514, Rift Adrift wrote:
I was hoping you were still around to reply to this.
One of the reasons I kept Cephrir in my scumpile for much of the amnesiac game (while I was in it and afterwards) was because his posts came off as hedgy to me. Another reason was that the posts also came off as a little wordsmithed. And the final reason was his first post after day 2 started because I want to lynch cheerleading/reverse cheerleading with fire every time I see it.
Are me saying that my read on Cephrir softened. I really, really didn't like Doc Holliday's posts. Cephrir's catch up posts didn't move my read much. Once he caught up and started interacting directly, I could see more of what I identify as his town game (which in the amnesia game we've talked about looked pretty scummy to me.)
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:09 pm
by Rift Adrift
In post 1530, fferyllt wrote:Re Cephrir, these posts
In post 1514, Rift Adrift wrote:
I was hoping you were still around to reply to this.
One of the reasons I kept Cephrir in my scumpile for much of the amnesiac game (while I was in it and afterwards) was because his posts came off as hedgy to me. Another reason was that the posts also came off as a little wordsmithed. And the final reason was his first post after day 2 started because I want to lynch cheerleading/reverse cheerleading with fire every time I see it.
Are me saying that my read on Cephrir softened. I really, really didn't like Doc Holliday's posts. Cephrir's catch up posts didn't move my read much. Once he caught up and started interacting directly, I could see more of what I identify as his town game (which in the amnesia game we've talked about looked pretty scummy to me.)
gah.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:10 pm
by Rift Adrift
So your concerns about Mac are no longer relevant?
I will go through and pick out some of the Bulbafenix posts that pinged for me, but probably not until tomorrow. It's past midnight here.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:12 pm
by Rift Adrift
Oh wait...you think I'm still scumreading DOMO?
Dude, you picked up on the post where my read changed and you're asking me that?
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:21 pm
by KingCrabd
Oi oi oi, you guys (girl too) had a party and didn't invite me? I am sad now.
So about that shadi slip. I hell missed that as it happened, good catch.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:31 pm
by KingCrabd
Support shadi lynch now, hesitation gone, meta is weak, scumslips are strong.
I can sort of see the calcifer angle based upon nacho, but I need to pull some... other head was mastin? Mastin work before I look there for a vote.
Not to mention King finally has power back in his state and owes me a readup and reads synch.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:31 pm
by KingCrabd
Derp I would forget to vote...
VOTE: shadi
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:36 pm
by Rift Adrift
Where's the slip?
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:41 pm
by KingCrabd
Shadi's 761
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28000 (my first game on site btw) I don't really see why Cabd thinks I'm that strong of a town, but then again he read my ass pretty fucking well in this game and with that I don't mean alignment as Cab was scum but my thoughts and future actions. He hasn't yet seen me as a confirmed scum to say what my town meta is and not, although I guess it's a similar feeling I have with him now but this time I'm reading town.
Then ceph pointed it out in one of his catchup posts:
So he has seen you as scum, but he doesn't know it yet? Got it.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:45 pm
by Rift Adrift
"Hasn't yet seen me as a confirmed scum"
hm
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:49 pm
by Shadi1337
I don't really understand what's going on.
What I meant is that I was confused over the fact that he had a town read on me due to my meta and how he could see that as enough. (After all he used that Newbie game as his MAIN argument)
I then (as I wrote that) thought about it and realised I pretty much have the same thing with him so maybe I shouldn't have questioned that. The difference is I read him town this time, if you compare his aggressive style and wagon-jumping in newbie newbie he's like an entirely different person. Much more calm and thinking twice about his analysis and actions. I would have read his aggressiveness as town motivation if I didn't know it was his scum game, but it's all gut.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:51 pm
by Shadi1337
the last sentence refers to the newbie game again, if anybody wonders. here's the link (again):
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28000 it was a really good role setup, is this a common one? I always see that "3 role set possibility"-table which sucks..
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:56 pm
by Shadi1337
oo I think I'm getting it, no please read the word "confirmed" as in flipped/confirmed (confirmed as in end game or so)-kinda scum
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:10 pm
by orcinus_theoriginal
In post 1532, Rift Adrift wrote:So your concerns about Mac are no longer relevant?
I will go through and pick out some of the Bulbafenix posts that pinged for me, but probably not until tomorrow. It's past midnight here.
No, I don't trust my early game reads very much
In post 1533, Rift Adrift wrote:Oh wait...you think I'm still scumreading DOMO?
Dude, you picked up on the post where my read changed and you're asking me that?
no my question was to the effect of "how is DOMO only now getting town why was he scum before" like seriously
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:52 pm
by Cephrir
When I pointed that out I was half pointing out a potential scumslip and half being a snarkbucket
I think my favorite lynches are actually randomletters and TSO but I don't really object to Calcifer
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:14 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
In post 1535, KingCrabd wrote:Support shadi lynch now, hesitation gone, meta is weak, scumslips are strong.
I can sort of see the calcifer angle based upon nacho, but I need to pull some... other head was mastin? Mastin work before I look there for a vote.
Not to mention King finally has power back in his state and owes me a readup and reads synch.
Continue sheeping my reads and you'll be fine
You'll have to fast forward a bit to the part where you start sheeping me on calcifer though
That's where we're lynching today
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:17 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
Cephrir: Nero is town. His scumgame is far less useful (no I'm serious)
I thought BRO was your favorite lynch
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:07 am
by Baby Spice
In post 1389, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:you know what scares me
of all the sperm your dad ejaculated
you were actually the smartest & fastest
or was your mom's egg just so nasty that everyone else didn't want to go for it
It's insulting rubbish like this that suck any will to bother reading the game.
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:05 am
by Metal Sonic
^i actually found it funny
but nero does it better
orc's are still good though
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:08 am
by Serene
His town game is his scum game. I think your Nero read is wrong. He's super-scum to me.