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hands off is not a strategy, no. It's been a necessity at times. and it's probably going to affect how I see some stretches of day 1 later.

I've tended to take your inquiries about my "deviations" as expectations for how I should be playing.

Okay, I can see the hands-off approach as necessary based on the direction this game has taken.

I am still confused by this quote though:

In post 1510, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:You're apparently trying to tailor your interactions with me to what you think I should expect.

It seemed like you were saying I was trying to tailor my interactions as opposed to me expecting you to stay within an envelope. Can you clarify?

~ F-16

In post 1397, AngryPidgeon wrote: IM NOT GOING TO GET LYNCHED WITH THIS ROLE AND NO IM NOT CLAIMING IT.

The two are mutually exclusive?

In post 1398, AngryPidgeon wrote:This could come from either alignment and I dont see why you care so much.

The way it's done makes the difference, though. And I care as much as I do because people are letting them get away with a BS point that at BEST (KEY WORD BEING "AT BEST" MEANING CAN BE AND I THINK IS WORSE!) is null.

In post 1399, The Fox and the Hound wrote:Trying to explain why I am not scum is not alignment indicative and never will be

Again, it's the way it was done. This is something a bit difficult to describe, since it kinda ties into the magic-town stuff, about a player who either is or isn't scum. And that's part of it. A town player generally has a good idea of why they're town...but can't (or if they can, won't) point to specific things that make them town, especially not things tied to the difference/similarities between games.

In post 1417, AngryPidgeon wrote:This game does not look like town PV btw.

Nor scum-PV. Because there is no PV to be seen, yet, not really. PV not giving content isn't a scumtell; it's a nulltell. So it'll be easier to get a read on him after there is more content. (And if he doesn't give it, then he can be lynched. But it wouldn't be a lynched-for-being-scum; it'd be a policy-lynch, to stop dragging the game down with lack of contribution, a factor that can and has lost him games. Yet this isn't a D1 thing; this is a much later day, like at least D4, thing.)

In post 1424, Titan wrote:But can you really say this about mastin with a straight face after anything goes?

He can, and can even mean most of it together, too. Problem is that he probably wouldn't be, sooooooooooooooooo, yeah.

In post 1434, AngryPidgeon wrote:Town: Tammy, RBD
Probably Town: Mac, MastinSSK, Orcinus, Red gyarados?
I don't know, leaning town?: Foxhound, Stalin, LB
Less than Town: Peregrine, F-16, Kagura
Needs to die regardless of alignment: GIF
The rest: Cupcake, Clyton, Katsuki, Sheep Us

These reads don't jive with your posting. Like...I should be in the 'probably town' pile as I am, but...all your posting places me in the town pile. (For that matter, I think Mac's similar.) Vice-versa for RBD. They deserve the town spot, but all your posting is saying probably-town. Red Gyarados and orc are randomly thrown in there, too.

The bits below that also feel off. The Clyton-in-rest bit in particular.

All-in-all, this reads list feels like it could come from any AP...who has posted differently. From AP as he's posted this game, this reads list feels..., in an intangible way that eludes me.

In post 1444, MastinSSK wrote:

Cephrir, Xenogears, dead QT wrote:Mastin wasn't a threat, she was a mislynch I thought I could get. And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.

^Ceph's take on me last game.
Posting quickly, be back much later.

And now that I am back, I can elaborate. Basically, this is how Cephrir viewed me last game. Someone who, in spite of scumreading him, was no threat, and in fact, he thought I was mislynchable. He's got the exact same read of me this game. He doesn't think I'm a threat. He doesn't think that my scumread on him is problematic. He thinks he can actually get a lynch on me. And this attitude towards me is, again, a large part of the reason I think he's scum. (I had better wording in my head at the time, but I can't pull past-me's reasoning up.) Basically...he's playing a con game. Again. Like he was in that game. There were a multitude of comments about him being townread, and at least one or two of them were from meta if memory serves me. Because that's what he wanted them to see.

And this game, he's doing the same thing. There are a fair number of people townreading him, a LOT from meta, because that's what he wants them to see. Instead of him actually being town, he's made himself look like town. That's basically the main reason AP's scum, too, because AP's done the same damn thing. Yes. They look good, because they put effort into looking good. No, they aren't actually good. Because that wasn't their goal. They aren't aiming to be town; they're aiming to do a good job of looking town. That's my read of them, of their posting, of their situation.

In post 1526, CarbonFiber wrote:Okay, I can see the hands-off approach as necessary based on the direction this game has taken.

I am still confused by this quote though:

In post 1510, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:You're apparently trying to tailor your interactions with me to what you think I should expect.

It seemed like you were saying I was trying to tailor my interactions as opposed to me expecting you to stay within an envelope. Can you clarify?

~ F-16

I probably put undue emphasis on your asking about my general preferences at first. I thought you were asking me how I want to be approached in the game.

In post 1450, Titan wrote:Would you like me to post your take on players when you were scum?

No, but I can fake my thoughts of scum on each of the players, as they originally were and as their replacements come. (Obviously, has the same problem as last game in that I don't actually know who would be scum.)

I swear everything you've posted today sounds like the mastin from our scum qt in Anything Goes.

You know why I was so proud of Anything Goes? Because Anything Goes is the closest I have ever gotten to 100% faking my towngame. I broke half a dozen of my strongest towntells that game and then some, and hit 100% of the right notes. Not only that, but I managed to predict basically most of the outcome of the game early-on with my analysis of the players. It's the best scum game I had ever done at the time.

But I am getting really. fucking. sick. and. tired. of. people. comparing. every. damn. game. to. anything. fucking. goes. EVERY. DAMN. GAME. I was scum. I played well, in spite of seeming obvscum to others. I won. Get over it. And read me in the now. Not the then.

Maybe it's because you sound like you have an agenda rather than you're trying to solve the game.

It's a Cabd game. Of course I have an agenda. What that agenda is will have to wait. (Yes, another softclaim. Dealwithit.) The two are not mutually exclusive.

In post 1453, Titan wrote:Right now I'm not really sure how to parse the brouhaha between AP/JustSheepUs/Mastin/RBD with Fox and Hound on the side. Have you been able to take away anything from all that?

There could be three scum in there, but there's probably two.

Hint: It's not RBD.

In post 1455, Kagura wrote:Mastin's claim needs to be a fakeclaim unless you think the weird thing she's going to claim is going to be her real role as scum, in which case it seems pretty useless in what's bound to be a power heavy game.

Umm...
...About that.

My role's anything but 'pretty useless'. It's actually pretty freaking strong an ability. The vote removal disability is basically balancing out the awesomeness of the other aspects of my role.

In post 1465, Titan wrote:

In post 1321, Titan wrote:

In post 1112, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 1101, Titan wrote:I didn't like des really only popping in to do that but responding to a post I made about them not doing anything and wanted them to and how with the way bro brags about his game it's troubling he's completely absent, with a "Tammy you know it's null" type of post. I don't have a decent lead to follow elsewhere, so until something else pops up that's shinier or they DO SOMETHING that makes me think they're town, I'm here. Waiting impatiently.

While I sympathize with this, I know BRO at least has been disappointingly unmotivated in some town games of his recently. No idea about desperado. I'm hopeful to interact with them to get an actual feel, but Im not overly confident in my ability to read BRO. so ya, get the frustration but I dont know if hes scummy for that.

What do you think about BRO not doing anything but immediately upon seeing you replace in started on catching up? It made me feel twitchy as hell when I first saw it and made me rethink the scum read on had on your slot because I could see him being like okay gotta step up or AP will catch me, which now means less because of your less than confident stance on being able to read him. BUT on the other hand, I remember BRO telling me once that having you in a game with him was like dealing with an in-thread masonry. I can't remember where he said that to even make sure that it was you he referenced though, so in that respects catching up to bounce ideas off you might be the impetus.

Am I mistaken about how you guys interact or does that make sense at all?

Angry Pigeon you never answered this.

I can answer this a little better now that that damn 7p micro is over. I've only really been in 2 games with bro where I was town and not hydra with him. In street racers I waffled on him and kept wanting to scum read him incorrectly. He mostly brushed me off and we ultimately did push good lunches when I stopped getting dumb leverls of paranoid. He actually did do protown things there even if I found his conclusions wonky.

7p game I was disappointed in his lack of scum hunting tbh. Felt he was largely apathetic and I pushed him over it and he claimed conformable role and got me counter lynched for pushing him lololol. So I got trolled. Town was being dumb there though. FuDuzn was obv scum all game anyhow but was a shit lynch until survivor died. So meh.

Anyhow I don't think I'm a huge motivator for town bro and I don't think I have a good track of reading him. OK at best. I'm leaning scum I guess so he's probably actually town. #facepalm

In post 1482, CarbonFiber wrote:I mean Muffin is a ridiculously difficult lynch and I don't understand the protectiveness towards him because he isn't one that needs any.

1: Rancid's hated, so taking one less to lynch makes it easier.
2: He was also the lead wagon.

So I'd say my hydra buddy did need a helping hand, yes.

In post 1501, Kagura wrote:You're missing drive to explain why AP is scum, though.

The drive behind APscum is that he replaced in as scum...in the slot most heavily suspected by the town.
And quite possibly mirroring me in Attack on Titan, with scumbuddies in the firing line.

AP is not the type of scum player to make an intricate plan. He's impulsive, living in the now, for the most part. His best ideas as scum are done not well in advance, but at most with one night of planning before-hand. AP will have a map on what to do immediately, but his long-term plans are incredibly vague. You'd be lucky to see a kill/lynch map laid out from him, even given daytalk, since that's simply not his style. It's one of the main areas that he differs from me as a player. The drive behind AP's posting is to survive, not to lynch scum.

In post 1504, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:I dunno maybe we're delusional but I have never seen ceph look as town on day 1 as he looks this game and beli agrees that he's town as fuck.

The heck are you smoking?

In post 1518, Kagura wrote:No.
I still don't really like Orc.

Eh, sure, but I don't dislike him, either.

In post 1360, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 1358, MastinSSK wrote:So you wanna live?
Bluntly, fullclaim now.
Not later.

Now.

Blow me.

Oh good I haven't gone insane.

And Ceph!!!

In post 1366, MastinSSK wrote:Yep, which is precisely why I talked to every single player I could think of possibly being any help on the matter at all, who wasn't already there. (That said, should probably write appeals to bork/Nacho to help me write more convincing cases. Don't really need to ask zMuff/Nati, since we're a 4p hydra at this point and they already know.)

I addressed this in the same post that you quoted so you either didn't read all of it or are trying to make it look like I have less of a case than I did.

In post 1455, Kagura wrote:Why would you have had to fake the Mastin thoughts and do the QT stuff?

I just copy+pasted what I'd posted in my QT with Ceph a couple of days earlier and I think that I paid much less attention to making sure what I was saying made sense there than if I was making a post here, so if I was scum I either would have had to post my thoughts about mastin in our QT instead of in here (which I don't think makes much sense as scum?) or pretend that I had posted something in the QT 2 days ago and try and make it look like I wasn't caring too much about explaining myself. Someone did mention that it was possible I would fake this as scum and maybe it is? But I don't think it's something I would do? I don't know.

In post 1455, Kagura wrote:Mastin's claim needs to be a fakeclaim unless you think the weird thing he's going to claim is going to be his real role as scum, in which case it seems pretty useless in what's bound to be a power heavy game. Do you disagree with that?

I do.

In post 1470, Kagura wrote:What's the difference? Scum-Nacho doesn't really have to call you scum and get your attention: he can wait until late game when all of the people who could possibly support me and could possibly sniff out me scum despite bork apparently not being aware that we have a scum role PM instead of sorting you out almost immediately like I'm doing now.

Well that's the thing! It doesn't really make sense for scum-you to not townread me, but I don't think the consequences are all that bad. You know that I'm not totally irrational so maybe you'd think I'd expect you to townread me even as scum, and if I think you are scum, you know as well as I do that it's not a big deal to your survival chances. So, I thought that town-you not townreading me made less sense than scum-you not townreading me.

In post 1507, Kagura wrote:BUT I ACTUALLY THINK DV MIGHT ACTUALLY BE TOWN

I don't know if I can say the same for you.

In post 1477, Titan wrote:What is you guys' read on AngryPigeon?

AP is a townread for me.

In post 1482, CarbonFiber wrote:I am seeing Fox and Bro-Desp as town with Mastin/Muffin/AP scum.

Fox's reactions to the pressure on them felt incredibly genuine and most of their posting so far is relatable and makes sense. Their Disney picture presenting the Rancid vote was hilarious and natural. I didn't like Mastin saying that he was not going to let them mislynch Rancid. I mean Muffin is a ridiculously difficult lynch and I don't understand the protectiveness towards him because he isn't one that needs any.

Im having a hard time seeing how someone could find that team to be a reasonable suggestion, but ok. Explain to me why it makes sense to you? I get the fox townread.

In post 1486, Just Sheep Us wrote:I'm town reading him for two reasons: First, I don't see any intentionality to what he's doing. I could explain this in more depth, but the high-level thing is that AP's jumping around in a way that looks to me like he doesn't have a long-term objective, like he's not trying to accomplish anything. That reads as town b/c it demonstrates a lack of groundedness and defined objectives that scum-AP would have (especially given that scum have day talk). The only scum-goal I could possibly see is "bog down the thread tremendously," but given that this player base is pretty good at parsing through large amounts of bs, that seems like a dumb goal to have had.

Desp thinks that he's scum-theatreing with mastin and muffin/nati.

Welp, I dunno what to say about the hydra dissonance part of this, but your reason for townreading me makes complete sense. That is something that is distinctly lacking from my scumgame rather consistently. Which is part of why mastin calling my game here a lot like Antihero mafia was just flatout baffling. What did you think about mastin claiming that his role is deeper + rly useful beyond the vote thing?

In post 1492, zMuffinMan wrote:also lol at despbro thinking me "buddying" mastin is because im scum

gonna take that as a scum claim if bro is the one putting forth that argument

Why?
-Muffin

In post 1497, Kagura wrote:I mean, maybe not unfakeable levels of towniness, granted, but pretty damn town all the same.

You know, Im not gonna pretend I have a good reason for asserting it, but I really don't like this post.

In post 1500, Just Sheep Us wrote:Have you taken more solid positions on that core group+APslot?

Err I definitely recall them calling Mastin scummy and DV townie. So I wouldn't say they've been a non-presence here.
Speaking of,

In post 1504, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:I have a mixed read on AP atm. I'll probably go into more detail after I reread the last few pages a dozen times.

I was serious when I asked about having breakfast with you. I sorta forgot I asked in the flurry of other things swirling around, but iuf you could talk to me about your F-16 opinion and NachoBork opinion, that'd be super.

In post 1504, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:but his disappearance for a stretch afterwards bothered me a little.

He lurked bad in Xenosaga. I dunno, his attention feels right. It looks like hes taking things in with an open mind and not really pushing any bogus agenda.

Huh, Im having more trouble than I should distinguishing the Stalin heads and that might be because I had only 4 hours of sleep last night. The Carbon/Stalin posts are bouncing off my brain so Im gonna pretend nothing really interesting happened there.
Woah full stop though, CF brought this up:

In post 1510, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:You're apparently trying to tailor your interactions with me to what you think I should expect.

What do you think of CF doing this? You sort of explained what you think he did that constitutes this, but do you think this is telling at all?

In post 1529, MastinSSK wrote:But I am getting really. fucking. sick. and. tired. of. people. comparing. every. damn. game. to. anything. fucking. goes. EVERY. DAMN. GAME.

huh, you know you did this exact formatting and meta-frustration in anything goes....
Mastin: suspicious

In post 1531, MastinSSK wrote:The heck are you smoking?

In post 1529, MastinSSK wrote:My role's anything but 'pretty useless'. It's actually pretty freaking strong an ability.

Mastin, pretend Im town for a single second. Just one. You owe me this shit if you are town cause I really dunno if Im reading you correctly on the bias that you only treat me this way when you are town afaicr. Why are you doing this? This really is not town motivated...at all. Claiming flavor? Trolling about your role? Ok maybe. This?

Like people start calling you suspicious and we get this "BTW IM ACTUALLY A GOOD ROLE" lobbed out for no reason.

And Orcinus is pretty fucking town, Im a little startled that you have him as "aggressively null". Talk to me about why that is.

In post 1527, MastinSSK wrote:The bits below that also feel off. The Clyton-in-rest bit in particular.

All-in-all, this reads list feels like it could come from any AP...who has posted differently. From AP as he's posted this game, this reads list feels...off, in an intangible way that eludes me.

Would it make sense if I told you I read a fair amount of the thread last night but didnt post about it at the time? I went for a little walk to cool off + go to 7-11 and I mostly read games while I was doing it. So I sorta bounced around and read ISOs (Orcis in particular) and some other things, but didnt want to post since I was on phone and walking.

RBD is town as fuck for the Hated Miller claim out the gates. They've claimed a role out the gates that is PL bait and actually backed it up with solid play. Like the chances of them being scum are pretty damn low for the claim out the gates in general. Like I said, I didn't process immediately that the claim was an actual serious claim. But that + their posting is strongly town.

Rg I am unsure of (hence the ? next to their name) but I just dont anything bad about them. Looks like they are reaching out, trying to find townies, and err well, obvtown. It doesnt look forced. Not my best read and Im really struggling to back this one up other than gut, but I like them for town.

Why is Clyton interesting to you? Clyton has made like one post I can recall which Im actually recalling I wanted to repsond to......beb...

In post 1527, MastinSSK wrote:Nor scum-PV. Because there is no PV to be seen, yet, not really. PV not giving content isn't a scumtell; it's a nulltell.

Ehhhhh, I would disagree that this isn't "NO PV". Ya hes been less than ideal amounts of active, but what he has posted shows no sign of him having a town PM. At all. Its not a very strong read, but its definitely there.

In post 1534, AngryPidgeon wrote: I was serious when I asked about having breakfast with you. I sorta forgot I asked in the flurry of other things swirling around, but iuf you could talk to me about your F-16 opinion and NachoBork opinion, that'd be super.

I'm not going to rush my F-16 read. I'd say that I'd like to see more of FourTrouble, but I'm much less familiar with his play than with F-16 so I'm probably better off trying to figure out the head I know better. From my perspective, living inside my own head and knowing how game events strike me and motivate me, I'm finding the stuff that he jumps on to be kinda meh. When I've been scum against town-him, that's not how I felt about his lines of questioning, so I dunno. Not knowing his alignment and not feeling like I'm under the meta Eye of Sauron, the questions just don't always seem like they'll be useful in sorting me. I try to cooperate when people are sorting me, but it helps if I have the sense that their questions will be useful.

But, I'm doing alot of rethinking about some recent badly failed reads. It's probably leading to some unintended changes as well as some that are more or less deliberate.

bork is town-bork. Nacho's doing weird shit, but it's shit almost guaranteed to raise eyebrows and tweak scumdars and it's probably part of some grand meta-evolution plan. He's evolving into something terrifying. :/

I'm shying away from reading him on a meta basis right now, and am thinking more on an individual body of work basis.

In post 1504, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:but his disappearance for a stretch afterwards bothered me a little.

He lurked bad in Xenosaga. I dunno, his attention feels right. It looks like hes taking things in with an open mind and not really pushing any bogus agenda.

I agree.

Huh, Im having more trouble than I should distinguishing the Stalin heads and that might be because I had only 4 hours of sleep last night.

I don't think my posting style is all that distinctive, outside of a few personal jargon/quirks that don't show up in every game. We're not trying to mimic each other, though we probably could with some success.

The Carbon/Stalin posts are bouncing off my brain so Im gonna pretend nothing really interesting happened there.
Woah full stop though, CF brought this up:

In post 1510, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:You're apparently trying to tailor your interactions with me to what you think I should expect.

What do you think of CF doing this? You sort of explained what you think he did that constitutes this, but do you think this is telling at all?[/quote]

If he were actually doing it, yeah. but, if he were actually trying to tailor his interactions for nefarious purposes, he'd probably be more subtle.

In post 1298, Clyton wrote:Correction: Just Sheep Us, AP, and Fox/Hound are all defending one another in one form or another. My vote stands, because I am not too entirely convinced with Fox and Hound. Although their defenses, their reasoning for their arguments, and their accusations are all wavering and breaking apart, I do not want to foolishly rush in to lynch them if their directions are misguided. I rather use AP's death as proof of Fox and Hound's alignment; this is something I am more comfortable with. But if the overall majority of the people here decides to lynch Fox and Hound, then so be it. I do not mind at all, but my suspicions on AP and Just Sheep Us stands firmer than the suspicion put on Fox and Hound.

^ Ya this post.

I havent at all and certainly at the time had not defended sheep us. I believe I was talking about BRO's read on me being bafflingly bad that the time, so this post feels like Clyton is...Im trying to recall that tidbit Mollie said once. About how townies construe things to be consistent with that want to see. Scum do this to make things fit what they want to see. Kinda random this reminded me of that, but I thought it was an interesting point when she made it. Basically, these reads lightly town to me. It looks like he is proud about his vote and he sorta seems to be in his own world here toa degree. By that I mean, it doesn't look manipulative, rather opinionated and excited about that.

So ok I just talked myself into putting clyton in the maybe-town pile \o/

In post 1539, AngryPidgeon wrote:these

this*

In post 1533, AngryPidgeon wrote:Im having a hard time seeing how someone could find that team to be a reasonable suggestion, but ok. Explain to me why it makes sense to you? I get the fox townread.

I could speculate. I am not going to. But I tend to go over interaction analysis with flipped scum later on in the game so that'll have to wait.

In post 1538, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:I'm not going to rush my F-16 read. I'd say that I'd like to see more of FourTrouble, but I'm much less familiar with his play than with F-16 so I'm probably better off trying to figure out the head I know better. From my perspective, living inside my own head and knowing how game events strike me and motivate me, I'm finding the stuff that he jumps on to be kinda meh. When I've been scum against town-him, that's not how I felt about his lines of questioning, so I dunno. Not knowing his alignment and not feeling like I'm under the meta Eye of Sauron, the questions just don't always seem like they'll be useful in sorting me. I try to cooperate when people are sorting me, but it helps if I have the sense that their questions will be useful.

I had the distinct impression that you didn't know how your response to my push on you in Empire's game was alignment indicative. Perhaps you are more attuned to the stuff that gives you away when you are scum but aren't as self-aware when you are town? But other than that, I am not sure why you have a ton of trouble sorting me considering I have a pretty massive body of work. Are there any positions you'd like me to explain in more detail?

~ F-16

In post 1541, CarbonFiber wrote:I had the distinct impression that you didn't know how your response to my push on you in Empire's game was alignment indicative.

Your distinct impression about your meta-push late day 1 was incorrect then, if that's what you're talking about. I knew what my reaction was. I've seen that kind of reaction pointed up as evidence pretty often. and I thought your assumption that it was unfake-able was incautious. At some point I certainly will be able to fake that. Maybe the point has been reached but hasn't been tested.

Perhaps you are more attuned to the stuff that gives you away when you are scum but aren't as self-aware when you are town?

That's probably true. I don't think I'm all that self-aware as town. It's not where my focus is.

But other than that, I am not sure why you have a ton of trouble sorting me considering I have a pretty massive body of work. Are there any positions you'd like me to explain in more detail?

I don't think I'm having a ton of trouble sorting you. Body of work reads take time.

I'm thinking about effect, not explanation.

In post 1518, Kagura wrote:No.
I still don't really like Orc.

lol is this nacho

@ Ffery, it is up to you to disagree if you don't think it was alignment indicative. It is just that your overall demeanor about disagreeing with what I picked up keeps puzzling me although I still lean quite town on your play. I don't agree that the stuff I picked up on is meh, I'd ask you to elaborate if you think it will be productive. Otherwise, hopefully, we'll understand it better as the game progresses.

~ F-16

I'm attempting a catchup despite walls of "you're scum" and "you're town" sucking the life out of me, but I don't think I've ever townread muffinman so fucking hard following the series of rage posts on 47.

In post 1173, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 1151, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:I want this group of players to burn with fucking fire: {AP, despbro, foxhound, PV, GIF}. And I've been wanting this for a while

Problem with this group.

AP's obvtown from his entrance.

Desp/I are obvtownlurk

p5's probably townlurk.

GiF's 100% townlurk.

So your list is complete shit.

Problem with this group.



Pv's not even town, GiF still has a chance of salvation but I wish for more. I'm still on the fence with your hydra.

Mastin wrote:Gonna need to be more specific. I'm Mastin. I always never-elaborate in everything.

Why Yukari is a legitimate townread?

In post 1217, Just Sheep Us wrote:HEY MUFFIN.

AP USED THAT EXACT ENTRANCE, NEARLY VERBATIM, IN A GAME WHERE HE WAS TOWN. AND WHERE MASTIN WAS SCUM AND PUSHED HIM FOR IT.

SO TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW IT'S "NOT A TOWN ENTRANCE"

................. what the actual fuck?

In post 1539, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 1298, Clyton wrote:Correction: Just Sheep Us, AP, and Fox/Hound are all defending one another in one form or another. My vote stands, because I am not too entirely convinced with Fox and Hound. Although their defenses, their reasoning for their arguments, and their accusations are all wavering and breaking apart, I do not want to foolishly rush in to lynch them if their directions are misguided. I rather use AP's death as proof of Fox and Hound's alignment; this is something I am more comfortable with. But if the overall majority of the people here decides to lynch Fox and Hound, then so be it. I do not mind at all, but my suspicions on AP and Just Sheep Us stands firmer than the suspicion put on Fox and Hound.

^ Ya this post.

I havent at all and certainly at the time had not defended sheep us. I believe I was talking about BRO's read on me being bafflingly bad that the time, so this post feels like Clyton is...Im trying to recall that tidbit Mollie said once. About how townies construe things to be consistent with that

they

want to see. Scum do this to make things fit what they want

others

to see. Kinda random this reminded me of that, but I thought it was an interesting point when she made it. Basically, these reads lightly town to me. It looks like he is proud about his vote and he sorta seems to be in his own world here toa degree. By that I mean, it doesn't look manipulative, rather opinionated and excited about that.

So ok I just talked myself into putting clyton in the maybe-town pile \o/

Although my posts are somewhat opinionated, it does not mean I am prideful about such matters. Why do I open myself to be corrected then? Why do I wish to engage other people in thoughtful dialogue? Is it not natural for any town member to engage others in dialogues so that they can understand one another when their perspective contains no sure-tell of who's part of which alignment?

Also, while it is a great skill for scum to be manipulative, I disagree with towns wanting to see results they want to see. Unlike the mafia as a collective team, the townie can only make things happen by him/herself. It will be a great jump to assume things can go according to what you want. Ideally, a town should analyze the options and choose the most favorable one while making the most out of dire situations.

I will be taking a look back at the recent updates since my last post. But, I will declare V/LA again at least until Saturday hopefully. I have two exams and one due essay coming up tomorrow, and once I finish those, I'll be done my school year aka more time to spend here!

In post 1350, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 1344, The Fox and the Hound wrote:

If anyone reads a single one of my posts this game, make it this one.

Muffin. There is a chance you are town. You were in 169. Does this not look exactly, and I mean EXACTLY like what happened to me in that game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=400

I am not hard to win arguments against. Because I very often can't back up my actions. My stances sometimes don't make sense, and even when they do, I hardly know why I have the opinions I do.

If you really think it looks more like my tunnel on bulbafenix in 165, I can't help you. Because it doesn't. I actually won that argument because I got to make up nice-sounding reasons.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=200

I can't make those links work properly. But it really is worth bothering to look at them.

All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing. It's seeming as though the people who normally prevent me from being a free mislynch are not interested. This bothers me, but whatever. Scum appear to have figured this out. Without them I'm little better than 2008 consistent day 1 lynch cephrir. Maybe it's not the people I think it is, but they will be on this wagon. That's not a threat, it's a promise.

I feel like the gang up on me here feels exactly like 169, and I think the people I'm fighting with are going to turn out to be scum again. Please actually think about this and make this the one time you all don't completely ignore someone posthumously if I am indeed lynched today. That is all.

This is town as fuck.

I think I second this, and have retracted my scumread on Fox at the minute. They're still null because I think their reasons for pushing RBD are poor, but that post was good.

UNVOTE:

In post 1458, Kagura wrote:

In post 898, Mac wrote: Oh Nacho, Oh Nacho
You are my friend
And I wish I was in America
We'd drink 'til the end

But tell me your secrets
And tell me no lies
To what do I owe
Such a pleasant surprise?

Surprise?
Why would my townread on you be a surprise?

It's wishful thinking that I would cause you be to more cautious following our previous tales encounter