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Post Post #1525 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:30 am

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Paschendale wrote:
Shiny Hydreigon wrote:scum reads dont have to be explained, nor understood. She scumreads bulba, and thats it.


If you can't justify a scumread, I have no reason whatsoever to think that you aren't lying about it. If I think you're lying about it, I certainly won't vote along with you, and will vote for you instead. If you don't justify a read, there's no reason to think you're right, and no one should vote along with you, and so you aren't actually pushing to get your suspects lynched. That means you aren't actually trying to help town win the game. Therefore, you're scum and should be lynched. Don't like it? Then justify your fucking positions.

Shiny Hydreigon wrote:uhm... what? gut reads are a thing.


No. Gut reads are impressions based on someone's tone and the inability to articulate that. Once you have actual content to go by and are past page 5, you should be done with such shallow reasons and should have better ones to justify a scumread. Like the fact that there is absolutely no reason to believe a single word you or your partners have said this whole game, because the only justification you seem to be able to give is to shout louder than other people.

When town allows lynches to be chosen by people based on bluster, there is only one outcome - scum victories.

You need to Shut. The. Fuck. Up. All you are doing is helping scum win.


and you need to actually read and piece context into stuff before you respond and learn that mafia isn't black and white.
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Post Post #1526 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:34 am

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farside22 wrote:Can I put wisdom ignore for being a hypocrite?


Seriously.


I want to replace out for his attitude alone.

hypocrisy is a thing you deal with in mafia, period.

lack of emotion in our last game makes me feel a little better about you, but not by a whole lot. emotions aside, your play feels nearly exactly like the last game we played, and the things that make me want to call you town this game are the same reasons I used last game and it scares me.

your logic is sound, but it lacks analysis and, from the kind of player I think you are, that is kinda underbearing

pedit: mastin's a she

It's still very hard for me to remember that ;_;


Seems like a he from GTKAS.
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Post Post #1527 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:53 am

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:scum reads dont have to be explained, nor understood. She scumreads bulba, and thats it.


If you can't justify a scumread, I have no reason whatsoever to think that you aren't lying about it. If I think you're lying about it, I certainly won't vote along with you, and will vote for you instead. If you don't justify a read, there's no reason to think you're right, and no one should vote along with you, and so you aren't actually pushing to get your suspects lynched. That means you aren't actually trying to help town win the game. Therefore, you're scum and should be lynched. Don't like it? Then justify your fucking positions.


Good luck getting through to him on that.

Seriously.

I've said pretty much the same thing in the past. He shrugs it off...


Aren't you scum reading Pasch?


How is that in any way relevant to my response to him?


Because it looks like you're treating him as town.
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Post Post #1528 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:00 am

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farside22 wrote:I've never felt a urge to pl a player before or wish for my own lynch so badly.

mod v/la for 2 to 3 day to cool down


of course, run away before people realize you're scum

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Post Post #1529 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:22 am

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:That wasn't the point, Pasche. I guess you're not even reading now. I wasn't talking about me explaining my reads. I was explaining how farside is full of shit. But sure, look the other way.


Shiny Hydreigon wrote:This was about mastin not explaining her bulba scumread like farside is claiming, it had nothing to do with me or my scumreads. But keep failing at reading by all means.


You and Mastin are both doing it. It applies equally to both of you. You're just the one being obstinate and bullheaded about it. Mastin is doing it is weird. You are actively a detriment to town choosing the best lynches.
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Post Post #1530 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:24 am

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im not doing it. I have explained all my reads in detail and can do so again if something is not clear. I only did it in the beginning for reasons I explained.

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Post Post #1531 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:26 am

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Paschendale wrote:You are actively a detriment to town choosing the best lynches.

this sounds like something scum would say though. How do you know they are the "best lynches"? For all you know I might be saving town from accepting terrible mislynches.

I can see you saying this as scum to make town ignore me and mislynch your targets.

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Post Post #1532 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:28 am

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MAFIA IS ALSO NOT BLACK AND WHITE, WHO CARES IF READS ARE EXPLAINED
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Post Post #1533 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:29 am

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Ms Marangal wrote:MAFIA IS ALSO NOT BLACK AND WHITE, WHO CARES IF READS ARE EXPLAINED
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Post Post #1534 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:38 am

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honestly, instead of complaining and talking about how anti-town it is to not explain your reads, you could be doing something that is productive with your time.
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Post Post #1535 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:53 am

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Bulbazak wrote:
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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:scum reads dont have to be explained, nor understood. She scumreads bulba, and thats it.


If you can't justify a scumread, I have no reason whatsoever to think that you aren't lying about it. If I think you're lying about it, I certainly won't vote along with you, and will vote for you instead. If you don't justify a read, there's no reason to think you're right, and no one should vote along with you, and so you aren't actually pushing to get your suspects lynched. That means you aren't actually trying to help town win the game. Therefore, you're scum and should be lynched. Don't like it? Then justify your fucking positions.


Good luck getting through to him on that.

Seriously.

I've said pretty much the same thing in the past. He shrugs it off...


Aren't you scum reading Pasch?


How is that in any way relevant to my response to him?


Because it looks like you're treating him as town.


Uh, no? I'm treating him as a person. Scum our not, I took his statement and responded to it on its own merits.
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Post Post #1536 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:00 pm

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:this sounds like something scum would say though. How do you know they are the "best lynches"? For all you know I might be saving town from accepting terrible mislynches.


"Best", as in the most reasonable, highest chance of hitting scum based on available information, ones that will allow town to deduce who our enemies are and kill them so as to win the game. Seriously, how this this confusing to you?

I can see you saying this as scum to make town ignore me and mislynch your targets.


GET OVER YOURSELF!

Ms Marangal wrote:MAFIA IS ALSO NOT BLACK AND WHITE, WHO CARES IF READS ARE EXPLAINED


Because I have no reason to believe you if you say "we should lynch ____" if you don't give a good explanation as to why. You're no different than a crazy conspiracy theorist standing on a street corner shouting about aliens putting tracking devices in the drinking water. The rest of us, who base our opinions on facts and evidence, laugh at people like that. All you're doing, when you're informed that we have sampled the water and there are no alien devices in it, is shouting that you don't need to proof.

If you reach a conclusion (a read) without justification, you're probably just lying and can be safely ignored. And seriously, that's not even what describing something as "black and white" even means. Mafia isn't black and white because there aren't a set of consistent scum and town tells that can be applied every time (or even most of the time). That has nothing to do with the credibility of your opinions if you just blurt them out without any justification.

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Post Post #1537 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:19 pm

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We should have never stopped lynching pasche...

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Post Post #1538 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:21 pm

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Paschendale wrote:"Best", as in the most reasonable, highest chance of hitting scum based on available information, ones that will allow town to deduce who our enemies are and kill them so as to win the game.

What available information exactly makes those lynches good? You're just pulling shit out of your ass at this point.

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Post Post #1539 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:22 pm

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Paschendale wrote:Would you prefer a Shiny wagon instead?

Also this. You treat us like town yet want us wagoned. Cool story

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Post Post #1540 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:23 pm

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VOTE: pasche

Let's just stop second guessing ourselves and lynch the most obvious scum

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Post Post #1541 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:28 pm

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Paschendale wrote:How do you feel about the current Mastin wagon?


Conflicted. I'm looking at a history of hands off play this game followed by a few very genuine looking posts. The wagon composition also doesn't look terrible, with those on it voting for decent reasons. I'm actually thinking I want to give Mastin a little breathing room, though.

Paschendale wrote:
Would you like to join it?


Not at the moment.

Paschendale wrote:
Would you prefer a Shiny wagon instead?


No. Vote TW.
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Post Post #1542 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:09 pm

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mastin2 wrote:Also, screw it, farside goes to the town pile. Don't care if I'm wrong, she's so town that even if she's scum she's town.
Is this meta-related? Because I haven't seen anything from farside that screams town. Sure, she looks town, but nothing that couldn't easily be done by scum.
No, meta is what kept her from being in the town pile for exactly the reason you stated. She's perfectly capable of looking town as scum, and that's precisely what she's done: looked town. But I'm sick of holding her back from the town pile off of that bias. It's like I said, I don't care if I'm wrong and she's actually scum; I want to townread her anyway.

Also, said it before, am saying it again now.

You're not getting a lynch through on me. Period.

I tend to shrug off wallpost cases on me
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Post Post #1543 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:11 pm

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VOTE: mastin

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Post Post #1544 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:13 pm

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DOMO wrote:I like that he points the finger at mastin, and her response is to say she doesn't like him. I'm now feeling good about mastin being scum.
The reason I'm not liking him is that every time I remember playing with town-GIF, he lurked and wallposted; the memory I have of GIF as scum was him spamposting as he is this game, in a bright, cheerful, borderline-cheeky manner.

Individually, I like his posts. His reads feel unique and driven by a town motive, thus why I am quelling the thoughts of this, but as a whole he feels fabricated.
In any of these games where you make this compaison, did he replace in? I would totally expect a dinstinctly different style, certainly to begin with, from people who sub in with plenty of content to respond to, compared to those who started.
Well, the towngames he lurked and wallposted in that I remember, sure, he was a replacement, but I don't remember what he did as scum. Still, point remains. He's vaguely similar to farside, albeit weaker in read-strength. I have reason to not call him town, yet for some reason I want to call him that anyway.
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Post Post #1545 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:18 pm

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farside22 wrote:You realize she (mastin) has attacked bulba for calling her fake but not me.
Different contexts, different circumstances. Your way I frankly didn't really notice at all. You're also a townread, and you also lack experience playing with me. Thus, I simply went over it as a "meh" thing.

Bulb's way, I did; he directly called me a liar to my face, he's a scumread, AND he has playing experience with me so SHOULD know better.
She fights with bulba but not romi.
What was there to fight about with Romi? I scumread him. Kitty did a better job arguing with him than I ever would have.
You can call it bs all you want, but can you explain her scum read on bulba at all?
Bundle-loads of reasoning behind it. I wouldn't be able to pick any singular point as to why.
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Post Post #1546 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:21 pm

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farside22 wrote:Go ask Mara if it makes sense to have a case and reasons on one player but not the other.
Mara can, has, and will townread me 100% this game. (For some reason, she seems to be the only player around in the current meta who can read me right every time. This, in spite of the fact that I remember me besting her all the time as scum back in the day, but I suppose I could be mistaken and that she really IS that good all the time. Butyeah.) If anything, you should be asking Mara to ask Wisdom for points against me.

Like I said, though. It's never going to happen.
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Post Post #1547 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:23 pm

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farside22 wrote:But sure I'll bite
Vote: not mafia
Not my preferred lynch, but I'd bite, too.

Also, it's like I said, I'm keeping GIF as fairly-decently town for the move.
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Post Post #1548 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:25 pm

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That said,
KittyCupCake wrote:UNVOTE: pasch
VOTE: not_mafia
Frankly, the wagon on me feels more towndriven than this wagon does. >_<
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Paschendale wrote:You need to Shut. The. Fuck. Up. All you are doing is helping scum win.
I particularly liked the tone of Pasch this post, by the way, especially this part. Just feels...like, far too assertive to actually be a scum-Pasch, I guess?
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