Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:57 am
I'm feeling uncomfortable about it too because RB looks town to me and Kison looks scum.
https://forum.mafiascum-staging.net/
What do you mean?Rogueben wrote:I doubt this is the case, but if you've played funny buggers with us Guardian then I'm going to be a sad man.
The condition does not state that Link is scum. In fact, it doesn't really imply it other than the fact that your actions combined with those of the Triforce can allow for scum to win by default.Rogueben wrote:I have been thinking about this and the only explanation I can come up with is that Kison is telling the truth about the condition in every aspect except for the fact that I am scum.
Yes.Rogueben wrote:This means that scum win if I target all three members of the triforce and at least one of the triforce target me then scum will win.
1) I am Town. I withheld this information because I not only do not know whether or not you know what this condition is, but because it will not prevent this condition from being met if you are scum. Narrowing down the scope to you being scum by default only reinforced the decision. My roleclaim benefited you because it gave you insight into not only who I was(Triforce) but my links from Night One on Shaft.ed.Rogueben wrote:Actually thinking about that it also makes sense as to why Kison didn't want to say what it was. If he did then the condition would be voided because then I would make sure that it wasn't.
Rogueben[2] (Kison)
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I just hope that Guardian hasn't been a bastard in some way. For example me being an incompetent vig (this is mere speculation). I see this as unlikely but I will be sad if it's the case.Xtoxm wrote:What do you mean?Rogueben wrote:I doubt this is the case, but if you've played funny buggers with us Guardian then I'm going to be a sad man.
I agree with this. This is the main reason why I've been confused every morning.Xtoxm wrote:The main reason of doubt related to your kill failures is Link being an incompetant vig doesn't really make sense.
He told me. I am not fromRogueben wrote:Was that in both you and shaft.ed's role-pm or did shaft.ed tell you that?
ButRogueben wrote:Hmm. I think this a point in favor of Kison scum actually. Had Kison not been scum then a mass claim would have caused the town to win because shaft.ed could have just said his town win requirement and that night all three would have targeted me. However with one of the triforce as scum, that would not have allowed the town to win through a mass name claim.
From my perspective the answer is pretty obvious. You're saying the Town's win condition is that all 3 aspects of the Triforce target Link? Xyzzy and Shafted are Town. I know I am Town. That means we could have broken the game with a simple mass claim. But Xyzzy apparently didn't get the same info, and I have a huge disincentive for role claiming. Top that off with the fact that from my own perspective at least, Shaft.ed could have been scum trying to trigger a scum win condition. I'd be hesitant following his lead without knowing he was Town(which was not possible until Day Three).Lawrencelot wrote:Shaft.edknew of a town win: all three parts have to target Link on a night, and then town wins. He thought it was weird thatXyzzydid not know of this, andKisondoes not know of it as well (so he says).Kison, can youexplainthis?Xtoxm, what do you think of this? This is also why I savedRogueben, by the way.
So you think the town win was true? There was a way for town to win, and for scum too? Why would the mod tellKison wrote:From my perspective the answer is pretty obvious. You're saying the Town's win condition is that all 3 aspects of the Triforce target Link? Xyzzy and Shafted are Town. I know I am Town. That means we could have broken the game with a simple mass claim. But Xyzzy apparently didn't get the same info, and I have a huge disincentive for role claiming. Top that off with the fact that from my own perspective at least, Shaft.ed could have been scum trying to trigger a scum win condition. I'd be hesitant following his lead without knowing he was Town(which was not possible until Day Three).Lawrencelot wrote:Shaft.edknew of a town win: all three parts have to target Link on a night, and then town wins. He thought it was weird thatXyzzydid not know of this, andKisondoes not know of it as well (so he says).Kison, can youexplainthis?Xtoxm, what do you think of this? This is also why I savedRogueben, by the way.
I completely disagree.Rogueben wrote:I understand that if I am an incompetent vig that makes more sense in terms of what's happened at nights. But I don't like including roles like incompetent vig's in setups.
The threat of roleblockers, which we wouldn't know whether or not exist by that time.Xyzzy wrote:But there's something probably not completely right with that idea...
I don't know if it's true, Lawrencelot. Obviously I believe Shaft.ed was told of it. I was told of a scum condition. Could both be red herrings? I guess.Lawrencelot wrote:So you think the town win was true? There was a way for town to win, and for scum too? Why would the mod tellShaft.edto letRoguebenbe his aim, while that is good for the scum win?