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In post 1522, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Mewtaph
I’m not 100% on this rn but I’d like to start here

I don't think he's scum, but I'm as unsure as you are. His play hints he's a townie with his head up his.. erm.. trousers.

Hey, that's mean. I was going to vote with you on DVa but I don't know if you'll just leave me standing on the wagon and then run me over while I'm the only one in it.

In post 1526, Mewtaph wrote:Hey, that's mean. I was going to vote with you on DVa but I don't know if you'll just leave me standing on the wagon and then run me over while I'm the only one in it.

Why do you think I would/could/should vote you?

In post 1527, Almost50 wrote:

In post 1526, Mewtaph wrote:Hey, that's mean. I was going to vote with you on DVa but I don't know if you'll just leave me standing on the wagon and then run me over while I'm the only one in it.

Why do you think I would/could/should vote you?

Mostly flashwagons on D1 and then a "who's next" mentality.

That's not directed towards you btw, just a general statement.

Who did I flashwagon on D1? And what part of "my reads are shit" at the start of D2 did you miss? I had a SR on you and BEF on D1. I also suspected Tchill for his weird play. Now TWO of those flipped Town, so why would I still push the 3rd person I thought was teamed with them?

P-edit: Remove the first question then.

What's this double doctor talk? People make stupid joke claims all the time. I think its is more along Nakos and Kokis line of thought... gonna dig through who has played with BEF in a bit.

In post 1532, DrDolittle wrote:What's this double doctor talk? People make stupid joke claims all the time. I think its is more along Nakos and Kokis line of thought... gonna dig through who has played with BEF in a bit.

Stupid joke claim? yeah, I'll bite. If scum thought it was a joke, why shoot BEF over the Masons?

In post 1533, Almost50 wrote:

In post 1532, DrDolittle wrote:What's this double doctor talk? People make stupid joke claims all the time. I think its is more along Nakos and Kokis line of thought... gonna dig through who has played with BEF in a bit.

Stupid joke claim? yeah, I'll bite. If scum thought it was a joke, why shoot BEF over the Masons?

If scum did not think it was a joke, why are you voting DVa?

wanna do hypoclaiming

If I'm anything but watcher, I visited BEF and they came up as VT/Town member/nothing yet.

If I'm watcher, I was blocked.

In post 1534, Nako wrote:

In post 1533, Almost50 wrote:

In post 1532, DrDolittle wrote:What's this double doctor talk? People make stupid joke claims all the time. I think its is more along Nakos and Kokis line of thought... gonna dig through who has played with BEF in a bit.

Stupid joke claim? yeah, I'll bite. If scum thought it was a joke, why shoot BEF over the Masons?

If scum did not think it was a joke, why are you voting DVa?

Because she is scum???

If Scum thought it was a joke they would have shot a Mason

If Scum thought it was serious they would have shot her

Regardless of how serious Scum may have thought the claim was it makes no sense that they would go for BEF who was under lots of pressure on D1.

Now WHO convinced me to stay off BEF for his bad reactions under pressure? DVa did.

Btw, that game is over now and I can link it. BEF was a glorified Townie (N8 Vig in a 10 players setup). He was my Miller (I was the Gunsmith, so that was meant to give me a false positive). He was pressured, and he fake claimed Day Cop!!!

DVa obviously read him as a TPR here, and if puahsd he would have claimed, thus drawing protectives his way, and that would have been bad for her and her team bc then they would not have been able to shoot him.

So, she kept him from claiming while actively keeping him look suspicious enough that any protection would not go his way.

Now, forget about all this and explain why scum didn't shoot a CLAIMED DOUBLE PROTECTION DOCTOR if they thought the claim was legit, and why didn't they shoot the Masons if they didn't think DVa was for real.

If I'm an investigative role, Mewtaph came up clean.

If I'm any other role, I visited Joey_.

Yeah It's most likely DVa if that's the case.

In post 1536, Nako wrote:If I'm anything but watcher, I visited BEF and they came up as VT/Town member/nothing yet.

If I'm watcher, I was blocked.

Actually, DVa is a double action BLOCKER.

I was blocked too. Not gonna claim my role though, but seeing this I am sure that's how she got the idea of "Double Action" because it is indeed in her role PM.

Now I had a tinfoil theory that DVa is scum with the MASONs claim, ehich is why she would declare them safe for the night. She doesn't get shot, she becomes under pressure but not enough.. and we are down to 6 v 3 at the start of D3. She gets lynched and another NK takes us to 5 v 2 by D4.

However, at this point I realized that would not be good play by scum. It'd be the day before LyLo and unless already confirmed we'd have to lynch one of the Masons to confirm the other, and if they're not Masons that would be disasterous to them.

I dunno who might be Scum with DVa (Dolittle come to mind now for that "people make stupid joke claims all the time" but I'm far from being positive.)

So just to quickly double check, the assumptions A50 requires for me to be scum
>BEF was the scum kill
>I thought BEF was TPR
>I was wrong on him being TPR
>I shaded him so he wouldn't be protected
>I then killed him over masons

Nice tinfoil, A50.

But, just fyi, you have explained why literally anyone would consider killing BEF here:
>He didn't think BEF would be protected

Your fallacy of the day is post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc. You think I was shading BEF to kill him. But it's much more likely that scum killed BEF because I shaded him.

Like, that's really all you need, so that you're doing such an elaborate case is pretty dumb. We don't even know if BEF was the scum kill lol. If BEF was the scum kill, there's no reason to think they didn't just want a guaranteed kill and were less concerned with the gamestate.

Beyond that, thinking that a three-man scum team even entertained the notion that I was a "double doctor" is beneath you as town, A50, so I don't know what you're doing there. I was not an option for the night kill because of the Tchill flip.

pedit: And I am not a roleblocker lol

In post 1540, Almost50 wrote:However, at this point I realized that would not be good play by scum. It'd be the day before LyLo and unless already confirmed we'd have to lynch one of the Masons to confirm the other, and if they're not Masons that would be disasterous to them.

Yeah, not shooting masons n1 is fine. Like, your tinfoil that I would wifom about the masons in twilight is dumb. They don't start shooting masons yet, they want to hit some other tpr.

Like, you've explained why scum could plausibly have shot BEF over a vig, but none of what you have argued makes me a more likely choice than anyone else lol

In post 1540, Almost50 wrote:I was blocked too. Not gonna claim my role though, but seeing this I am sure that's how she got the idea of "Double Action" because it is indeed in her role PM.

Like, do I need to vote you here? Because I know you've played enough games in New York to know that scum having a "double roleblocker" is basically impossible

That's mini theme shit

So what are you doing here A50?

If we're hypoclaiming

Investigative -- targeted BEF

Protective -- targeted Joey

Killing -- targeted BEF

Utility -- Targeted Gamma

Speaking of -- another reason scum might have killed BEF would be because he was a likely investigative target, and since they knew he was town, that would mean they would be playing around potential investigations, thus reducing the size of a mechanical townblock.

So again, I don't think you saying "I shaded him to kill him" makes sense as a scum case

Why are you doing reachy, wifom-heavy NKA case on me?

I guess hypoclaim is messy if two people are claiming roleblocked

@Nako, why would you want a hypoclaim if you have no result?

In post 1547, DVa wrote:@Nako, why would you want a mass claim if you have no result?

ebwop, a mass claim, which doesn't make sense either

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