In post 53, pinturicchio wrote:I am as old as Almost50 was when I was half the age I will be en 25 years from now.
So you're 25 years old
I agree 100% with RR, the way Creature posted was not annoying at all compared to the discussions that sometimes happen in this forum. Summed up, the one liners were nothing. And I'm glad to announce that Creature is town. Thanks Mathdino!
In post 1205, Fortian wrote:Chick, when you’re able, what is your read on Toog and why?
I'm town reading Toog. I think the way they initially claimed was genuine. I think it came from a place of wanting to be upfront about they wouldn't be voting. There hasn't been a lot of redeeming posts since then, but I understand the frustration.
I also don't hold it against anyone to find their "oh it exists" post scummy though.
What is it about the post that you think makes that post more likely to come from scum?
Right now i'm very worried that your initial post about it was a vague attempt at sounding useful without actually coming from a genuine place. Especially given that I think your explanations since don't really make sense of why you'd jump in to defend Mala like that.
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Also I seriously don't get all the hysteria surrounding Creature's posting. That was all more anti-town than Creature's posting was imo.
-DV
That’s why I voted Majiffy for wanting to policy lynch him. Arguing for a policy lynch on a likely townslot, who is actively trying to advance the gamestate, is always anti-town.
In post 1205, Fortian wrote:Chick, when you’re able, what is your read on Toog and why?
I'm town reading Toog. I think the way they initially claimed was genuine. I think it came from a place of wanting to be upfront about they wouldn't be voting. There hasn't been a lot of redeeming posts since then, but I understand the frustration.
I also don't hold it against anyone to find their "oh it exists" post scummy though.
What is it about the post that you think makes that post more likely to come from scum?
Right now i'm very worried that your initial post about it was a vague attempt at sounding useful without actually coming from a genuine place. Especially given that I think your explanations since don't really make sense of why you'd jump in to defend Mala like that.
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Also I seriously don't get all the hysteria surrounding Creature's posting. That was all more anti-town than Creature's posting was imo.
-DV
All I meant was that I don't scum read Mala for the conclusion she made.
This is very different from your original post. I didn’t mention anything about scumreading Mala for the conclusion she made. Nor do I believe you would make the post you did as town if your only thought was “I don’t scumread Mala for the conclusion she made.”
Essentially, I don’t think you’re town.
Yes, I haven’t seen anyone scumread Mala here. Why would they? She complained about Creature’s one line posting and gave reasons for it but never scumread him for it. Chick’s unnecessary defense of Mala here, seems kind of out of place.
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:10 am
by Wisdom
wow nancy is saying things i agree with
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:12 am
by DrewVa
In post 1444, CheekyTeeky wrote:Guys I'm pretty sure Thor is scum. If there is a vig I'd shoot that if we don't lynch him today.
Can you elaborate why Thor is the best lynch here? I have never played with town!Thor, so I only know his scum!meta.
In post 1444, CheekyTeeky wrote:Guys I'm pretty sure Thor is scum. If there is a vig I'd shoot that if we don't lynch him today.
Can you elaborate why Thor is the best lynch here? I have never played with town!Thor, so I only know his scum!meta.
Yeh I could easily tell Thor was scum in Surreptitious II
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:18 am
by Wisdom
what about jiffy, do you agree on him
i think jiffy/chick/thor is a good bet
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:19 am
by Creature
I don't know about Majiffy
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:21 am
by DrewVa
In post 1447, davesaz wrote:Might be worthwhile to do an in-wagon analysis of where the wagon came from. I'll do Majiffy wagon first, in large part because I don't actually remember why anyone is scumreading him. That super-nice VC format allows us to easily multi-quote all of the votes.
No reason given in the vote post. Will need to ISO to find it, if there is one.
In post 1222, BuJaber wrote:Haven't finished reading but so far varsoon and majiffy really don't seem like they're reading very well.
Varsoon keeps mistaking posts adressed to othrs as adressed to him, like when I called majiffy a sheep.
And majiffy because nobody who read my interactions with RCE coild possibly think my vote was a simple wagon hop. Doesn't seem like he's actually reading just wanted an easy target and picked on the latest vote on RCE at the time. I think he's scum, possibly protecting his partner. VOTE: majiffy
RR has talked a lot more than I remember so I'm sorry about the activity comment.. your case on hebichan is interesting. I'll look into it further when it's time for hebi's ISO read but it's important to note that chick kinda defended her and there might be a connection there.
Gives a fairly reasonable-sounding reason. I haven't vetted the case itself.
In post 1231, Gamma Emerald wrote:I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad VOTE: Majiffy
If you’re making that type of statement you’d probably have already done analysis to support it. Since you haven’t that means it’s a crock of shit.
I can see thinking that "maybe I'll tell you after the game" as an answer to a question about a supposed tell can be interpreted as scummy. And I'd kinda expect GE to have that kind of read as town. I think it's fairly shallow since there are quite valid reasons not to blab your private tells on another player as any alignment, but I don't think shading it is scummy. So this vote is for a valid reason, whether the reason is correct or not.
In post 1232, Varsoon wrote:Ew. The one time I can recall someone being like "I got this scumread but I'll explain it later" was GiF in a game where I pegged him as scum for it, he replaced out, then I was promptly killed and his team went on to win.
So excuse me if I'm going to be a bit critical of this kinda shit: VOTE: Majiffy
Can't tell if Varsoon is sheeping GE's post or if they both came up with the same reason simultaneously. Would need to look at post timestamps.
In post 1332, DrewVa wrote:I get why some people are getting annoyed by Creature but that doesn’t make him scum. He is actively trying to solve the game here. I think Creature is town here.
If we don't remove him he's going to keep it up. If he keeps it up, a lot of us have to replace out. If a lot of us replace out, this game dies.
It's called a policy lynch and if people would stop being afraid of them we could start curbing shit behavior like spamming a thread with 50 one-liner posts.
VOTE: Majiffy
I dislike you trying to push a “policy lynch” on what I think is a town slot.
Eh, I don't know if pushing policy would be worth the risk as scum, but I get the vibe of the vote. Probably legit.
Pedit: Got a reason?
Policy lynches are the perfect reason for scum to push a mislynch. I did it in Heroes but in that case, it was something I would have also done as town, since mylo mislynch was good for both town/scum in that game. In this case, it’s particularly scummy because it’s actually a bad reason. Policy lynches are great way for scum to mislynch and not look bad for it.
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:28 am
by DrewVa
In post 1448, CheekyTeeky wrote:His lack of sorting/reaction to initial votes/opportunistic jump on creature.
I suggest you read his ISO as VCA isn't going to tell us much preflip.
Sorry, I posted before I was caught up. I will check that out. What do you think about Chick’s weird Mala defense?
I don't believe your tunnel on creature anymore like as town I think you'd reassess or take a step back when he's more active instead of calling for more pressure on his wagon especially with the opportunistic votes from The Jif and Hebi.
How is jumping from one of the two people I said I would vote to the other "opprotunistic"?
You were the one who’s reasoning made the most sense to me but it’s still a bad vote. Can’t you see how different he is here, than in Heroes?
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:34 am
by DrewVa
In post 1452, Varsoon wrote:VOTE: Bujaber
Back on the track, this the anime master.
Hoes on my flick, Cowboy Bebop when I'm blastin' em
Can you explain this in English? Thanks.
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:40 am
by DrewVa
In post 1457, DrewVa wrote:Not sure I'm convinced Thor is scum but I think I like how Cheeky is approaching the case so I'll call her a townread. --D
Looked at the wrong vote count person.
What's the case on either Majiffy or DGB?
There's no way there's a valid DGB wagon reason at this stage - so I'm guessing it's akin to the 'wisdom' (pun heavily intended) of the value of the expressed case on me, in which case people should learn that scumhunting based off humor is really stupid. But I don't expect that to sink in.
In post 1504, Reasonably Rational wrote:People who have played with Wisdom RECENTLY: is this conciliatory attitude in his current scum range? Last time I played with scum !Wisdom it almost certainly wasn't. I would expect both dave and I to be treated with the same attitude, yet he's being nicer to me, in spite of me using more inflammatory language.
I find his general approach to that push crappy, but what would be the theory scum advantage of treating you differently?
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:03 am
by BuJaber
I agree creature's posting can get annoying but it doesn't make him scum.
@RR - how many times have you played with creature? Because he 1v1s quite a bit. At least in all his recent towngames I was also in.
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:12 am
by BuJaber
Mala's ISO is pretty empty, but hebichan is even worse. There's barely any analysis here. Even when posting a case she seems to give herself an out by offering an argument for why they could be wrong. Seems to use meta reads but a lot of her reasons why something is scummy is because she herself has done it as scum which is fine but like depends on the person not everyone thinks in a similar way. Pushed creature for being away, then pushed creature for posting a lot really starting to feel like she has picked creature only to lynch.
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:16 am
by BuJaber
Chickadee also has barely posted any real opinions. Mainly neutral things and facts and explaining her absences and stating what she's willing to read and what she isn't. The only person she talked about with any depth is creature and even that's basically rehashing facts known to those that played with him.
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:21 am
by BuJaber
And reading his ISO I'm not so sure RCE is scum anymore but will revisit if majiffy flips scum.
So of the people I wanted to focus on in post 626..
