Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:11 am
what am I reading?
https://forum.mafiascum-staging.net/
I really didn’t like Alchemist completely ignoring Fakran and suspiciously switching it to my slot. Not only is Fakran, persisting in calling my logic-based read an “emotional tunnel”, a blatant misrep but Alchemist acting like he’s totally buying into that, pings me. If Fakran flips scum, Alchemist has some serious buddy equity, I think.In post 1521, Salamence20 wrote:Hes waiting for severa to show up then vote whichever is more opportunisticIn post 1516, Venus and Mars wrote:I’m more interested in hearing your read on Fakran and why you’re responding as if his claim of my making an emotional tunnel isn’t straight up bs.In post 1514, Alchemist21 wrote:I wish Shiro was around because I think I could read Shiro better than I can read Nancy.
P-Edit: Every post Farkran makes steels my read on him
Yeah, it definitely looks like he’s flailing. And considering Pops is still the leading wagon, it’s looks more like self-pres than a genuine read.In post 1528, Salamence20 wrote:Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.
He dies today.
I give up on you. It's not like i didn't try.In post 1528, Salamence20 wrote:Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.
He dies today.
I’ve been thinking Farkran is Town for a while. You might not have been tunneling but I do think Farkran perceived it that way and it was worth pointing out that it’s NAI anyway.In post 1516, Venus and Mars wrote:I’m more interested in hearing your read on Fakran and why you’re responding as if his claim of my making an emotional tunnel isn’t straight up bs.In post 1514, Alchemist21 wrote:I wish Shiro was around because I think I could read Shiro better than I can read Nancy.
Because it’s actually a reason to align them and not disalign them.In post 1518, Farkran wrote:alchemist why are you aligning pops and kerset for specifically the reason why you should disalign them?
You look like the only reason you are voting Pops, is because she’s sr you and the fact the she just happens to be the lead wagon, also make your sudden vote on her look opportunistic as well.In post 1529, Farkran wrote:@v&m you're not even realizing you are now raising your townread certainty about people only because they're scumreading me.
How is that logic-based? You need to sleep this over. I'm not being hostile, i know what it means to be emotionally tunneled. I correctly townreaded emps in my first game (newbie 1951) out of that.
You have it backwards...In post 1530, Venus and Mars wrote:Yeah, it definitely looks like he’s flailing. And considering Pops is still the leading wagon, it’s looks more like self-pres than a genuine read.In post 1528, Salamence20 wrote:Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.
He dies today.
Scumpartners do not play along like that... do you know the history of pops and kerset together?In post 1533, Alchemist21 wrote:Because it’s actually a reason to align them and not disalign them.In post 1518, Farkran wrote:alchemist why are you aligning pops and kerset for specifically the reason why you should disalign them?
You’re gonna have to explain how you think these slots are aligned with pops when you count out other partnerships for similar reasons.In post 1518, Farkran wrote:Chemist might be associated to pops, too little content to determine.
Gamma, same as chemist, but i would guess pops' slight SR of her might be either distancing or maintaining a window of opportunity to lynch her later if he's town.
What annoys me is that I gave very clear logic-based reasons for why I’m sr him and he ignores all that and keep misrepping it as emotion-based when it’s not.In post 1532, Alchemist21 wrote:I’ve been thinking Farkran is Town for a while. You might not have been tunneling but I do think Farkran perceived it that way and it was worth pointing out that it’s NAI anyway.In post 1516, Venus and Mars wrote:I’m more interested in hearing your read on Fakran and why you’re responding as if his claim of my making an emotional tunnel isn’t straight up bs.In post 1514, Alchemist21 wrote:I wish Shiro was around because I think I could read Shiro better than I can read Nancy.
No. I'm voting pops because she's better than not noticing me and you is TvT. If i wanted to omgus somewhere for no reason, it wouldn't be pops.In post 1534, Venus and Mars wrote:You look like the only reason you are voting Pops, is because she’s sr you and the fact the she just happens to be the lead wagon, also make your sudden vote on her look opportunistic as well.In post 1529, Farkran wrote:@v&m you're not even realizing you are now raising your townread certainty about people only because they're scumreading me.
How is that logic-based? You need to sleep this over. I'm not being hostile, i know what it means to be emotionally tunneled. I correctly townreaded emps in my first game (newbie 1951) out of that.
His ISO contains extremely nuanced reads and instead of arguing with her why you think she’s wrong, you vote a leading wagon that’s at serious risk of flipping.
Prior games? No. And as I said before, Kerset waffled on his pops read which read like scum who didn’t want to form a definite stance on their buddy. When scum is like that but feel pressured into forming a stance on them they can get tripped up like that.In post 1536, Farkran wrote:Scumpartners do not play along like that... do you know the history of pops and kerset together?In post 1533, Alchemist21 wrote:Because it’s actually a reason to align them and not disalign them.In post 1518, Farkran wrote:alchemist why are you aligning pops and kerset for specifically the reason why you should disalign them?
Because I expect us to be in about the same positions on my leftover category 3 days from now unless they see significant pressure.In post 1502, Venus and Mars wrote: Why do you want to lynch from your leftover category as opposed to your scum category? Also why is Salamence scum?
I think I’m being extremely lucid and what if she flips town. which is what I expect to happen, because I think she’s a mislynch. How are Pops and Even linked?In post 1535, Farkran wrote:You have it backwards...In post 1530, Venus and Mars wrote:Yeah, it definitely looks like he’s flailing. And considering Pops is still the leading wagon, it’s looks more like self-pres than a genuine read.In post 1528, Salamence20 wrote:Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.
He dies today.
Ok, listen, you all need to get some sleep over this and read again later. I'm going to stop arguing now because you aren't being lucid.
I have provided my reads based on this exchange. Pops need to flip, and if he flips scum we need to look at evenstar first.
It's actually hard for me to find strong associational with pops. Those are my plausible poes, as opposed to other people being more disaligned.In post 1537, Alchemist21 wrote:You’re gonna have to explain how you think these slots are aligned with pops when you count out other partnerships for similar reasons.In post 1518, Farkran wrote:Chemist might be associated to pops, too little content to determine.
Gamma, same as chemist, but i would guess pops' slight SR of her might be either distancing or maintaining a window of opportunity to lynch her later if he's town.
Why are you suddenly certain that V&M are town?In post 1539, Farkran wrote:No. I'm voting pops becauseIn post 1534, Venus and Mars wrote:You look like the only reason you are voting Pops, is because she’s sr you and the fact the she just happens to be the lead wagon, also make your sudden vote on her look opportunistic as well.In post 1529, Farkran wrote:@v&m you're not even realizing you are now raising your townread certainty about people only because they're scumreading me.
How is that logic-based? You need to sleep this over. I'm not being hostile, i know what it means to be emotionally tunneled. I correctly townreaded emps in my first game (newbie 1951) out of that.
His ISO contains extremely nuanced reads and instead of arguing with her why you think she’s wrong, you vote a leading wagon that’s at serious risk of flipping.she's better than not noticing me and you is TvT.If i wanted to omgus somewhere for no reason, it wouldn't be pops.
Why wouldn’t you, considering she’s the lead wagon? It’s safest for you to vote the lead wagon, for merely self-pres reasons. Disagree?In post 1539, Farkran wrote:No. I'm voting pops because she's better than not noticing me and you is TvT. If i wanted to omgus somewhere for no reason, it wouldn't be pops.In post 1534, Venus and Mars wrote:You look like the only reason you are voting Pops, is because she’s sr you and the fact the she just happens to be the lead wagon, also make your sudden vote on her look opportunistic as well.In post 1529, Farkran wrote:@v&m you're not even realizing you are now raising your townread certainty about people only because they're scumreading me.
How is that logic-based? You need to sleep this over. I'm not being hostile, i know what it means to be emotionally tunneled. I correctly townreaded emps in my first game (newbie 1951) out of that.
His ISO contains extremely nuanced reads and instead of arguing with her why you think she’s wrong, you vote a leading wagon that’s at serious risk of flipping.
In post 1476, Farkran wrote:
Show me where you are using your own thoughts as opposed to move people up and down your internal readlist because so far i have only seen general consensus reads coming from you, which MIGHT be ok but i would expect at least some concern when your instinct leads you to vote already populated wagons rather than doubt the town-motivation of any of those wagons.
TL;DR please produce a detailed readlist with only your own thoughts.
When did anyone say they weren’t?In post 1543, Farkran wrote:Despite what any of you may think, pops is actually an awesome player.
They have a very high mutual respect, based on my knowledge of their history together. However, pops is the more experienced and in my opinion better player (especially as town) - kerset reads need some improving, and that's why he parked his vote on severa imo.In post 1540, Alchemist21 wrote:Prior games? No. And as I said before, Kerset waffled on his pops read which read like scum who didn’t want to form a definite stance on their buddy. When scum is like that but feel pressured into forming a stance on them they can get tripped up like that.In post 1536, Farkran wrote:Scumpartners do not play along like that... do you know the history of pops and kerset together?In post 1533, Alchemist21 wrote:Because it’s actually a reason to align them and not disalign them.In post 1518, Farkran wrote:alchemist why are you aligning pops and kerset for specifically the reason why you should disalign them?