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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:59 pm
by Flavor Leaf
I don't use meta as a main tool, it's incredibly supplementary for me, especially because everyone already changes how they act towards me if they're scum because they have to be ready for me to give them the Third Degree Boon.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:59 pm
by MathBlade
In post 1524, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don't read games I'm not in unless a player I don't know does something cool, and even then, I just look at post game stuff.
I am not asking you I am asking Titus for a reason and I want her response tyvm

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:00 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1526, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1524, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don't read games I'm not in unless a player I don't know does something cool, and even then, I just look at post game stuff.
I am not asking you I am asking Titus for a reason and I want her response tyvm
And I am actively trying not to let you manipulate her, and push like I am manipulating, tyvm

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:00 pm
by Titus
In post 1334, MathBlade wrote:We know there has to be a scum in NPOM or Outer right.
We don't know this.

It could be Alch No elim and BM in theory.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:00 pm
by Flavor Leaf
You brought something up about me, I'm going to answer.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:01 pm
by Flavor Leaf
Alchemist and the Masons make sense too

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:02 pm
by MathBlade
In post 1528, Titus wrote:
In post 1334, MathBlade wrote:We know there has to be a scum in NPOM or Outer right.
We don't know this.

It could be Alch No elim and BM in theory.
Lmao I highly doubt this. While possible that’s not probable. Town does with probable scum deal with possible. I don’t think there’s two PRs in addition to masons still. That’s just not likely.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:02 pm
by Titus
In post 1523, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1520, Titus wrote:
In post 1305, MathBlade wrote:Hmmm

I think there’s still something fishy.

Titus when you hop on I have a question for you. It regards a super old game of yours. I just don’t know if I trust you yet and I want to reaction test you.
I'm here now. Just pedit me.
So does FL know about your Radiant Cowbells game where you faked a guilty then coasted?

The fishy part is with these role claims. I can’t put my finger on it. I am trying to figure out if he has the meta awareness to do something like that.
I'm not really recalling that specifically myself but faking a guilty is a common scum tactic. My partner did that in a recent game and I was the babysitter protecting all the PRs that kept dying.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:04 pm
by MathBlade
In post 1532, Titus wrote:
In post 1523, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1520, Titus wrote:
In post 1305, MathBlade wrote:Hmmm

I think there’s still something fishy.

Titus when you hop on I have a question for you. It regards a super old game of yours. I just don’t know if I trust you yet and I want to reaction test you.
I'm here now. Just pedit me.
So does FL know about your Radiant Cowbells game where you faked a guilty then coasted?

The fishy part is with these role claims. I can’t put my finger on it. I am trying to figure out if he has the meta awareness to do something like that.
I'm not really recalling that specifically myself but faking a guilty is a common scum tactic. My partner did that in a recent game and I was the babysitter protecting all the PRs that kept dying.
It was cops and doctors. Remember now?

Do you get a vibe of SVS, TVS, SVT, or TvT?

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:04 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1531, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1528, Titus wrote:
In post 1334, MathBlade wrote:We know there has to be a scum in NPOM or Outer right.
We don't know this.

It could be Alch No elim and BM in theory.
Lmao I highly doubt this. While possible that’s not probable. Town does with probable scum deal with possible. I don’t think there’s two PRs in addition to masons still. That’s just not likely.
how do you know this without knowing scum roles?

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:05 pm
by Titus
In post 1338, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I think it's safe to say there are not two neos and we did not get opposing vanilla results
So wait you and FL are both claiming Neo?

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:05 pm
by MathBlade
In post 1534, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1531, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1528, Titus wrote:
In post 1334, MathBlade wrote:We know there has to be a scum in NPOM or Outer right.
We don't know this.

It could be Alch No elim and BM in theory.
Lmao I highly doubt this. While possible that’s not probable. Town does with probable scum deal with possible. I don’t think there’s two PRs in addition to masons still. That’s just not likely.
how do you know this without knowing scum roles?
I am town mason. If NPOM and Outer are town that’s two more PRs.

That’s why I said it’s unlikely. I don’t see that passing review.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:07 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1535, Titus wrote:
In post 1338, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I think it's safe to say there are not two neos and we did not get opposing vanilla results
So wait you and FL are both claiming Neo?
No, I saw he was about to change his claim, so I claimed Neo.

I rescinded my claim.

Then he claimed Neopolitan and that Outer was Not Vanilla Town.

Outer claimed bg

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:07 pm
by MathBlade
Ranny and I tried figuring out what PRs would work and we didn’t see a whole lot.

A gated PR like an even night Neo with the current roles outed would make sense in a high power game as the odds of hitting a town PR and thinking scum are high. Makes a lot more sense than indecisive bodyguard

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:09 pm
by Flavor Leaf
NPOM claimed Vanilla Town, so I saw him setting up to try and make a play, and called him out on it before he got the chance.

I think Outer is blatant just past newbietown, but still has some newbie qualities.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:09 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1538, MathBlade wrote:Ranny and I tried figuring out what PRs would work and we didn’t see a whole lot.

A gated PR like an even night Neo with the current roles outed would make sense in a high power game as the odds of hitting a town PR and thinking scum are high. Makes a lot more sense than indecisive bodyguard
You literally said Neo doesn't make sense with Masons. :roll: Convenient setup spec, I'll tell you what that is.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:10 pm
by Titus
In post 1537, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1535, Titus wrote:
In post 1338, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I think it's safe to say there are not two neos and we did not get opposing vanilla results
So wait you and FL are both claiming Neo?
No, I saw he was about to change his claim, so I claimed Neo.

I rescinded my claim.

Then he claimed Neopolitan and that Outer was Not Vanilla Town.

Outer claimed bg
Any reason you are ruling out an Outer NPOM team with the intent for Outer to validate NPOM's bullshit changed claim?

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:11 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1535, Titus wrote:
In post 1338, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I think it's safe to say there are not two neos and we did not get opposing vanilla results
So wait you and FL are both claiming Neo?
He's been playing dumb for a long time now because they're trying to act like it was a guilty on Outer.

Ranny tried to push that Outer had already claimed Vanilla Town earlier as well before that got rescinded.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:13 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1541, Titus wrote:
In post 1537, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1535, Titus wrote:
In post 1338, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I think it's safe to say there are not two neos and we did not get opposing vanilla results
So wait you and FL are both claiming Neo?
No, I saw he was about to change his claim, so I claimed Neo.

I rescinded my claim.

Then he claimed Neopolitan and that Outer was Not Vanilla Town.

Outer claimed bg
Any reason you are ruling out an Outer NPOM team with the intent for Outer to validate NPOM's bullshit changed claim?
Yes. I don't think the way NPOM was doing it looked like it was waiting for a partner. I could be wrong, I guess, but why would they use Outer to validate the claim? I'm the only one defending them. If anything, they knew wanted to create a scenario where I defend them, because they knew I was coming after them and the masons.

Outer and I were both on NPOM end of the day yesterday. NPOM was the secondary wagon and the possible option to NPOM.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:13 pm
by Titus
In post 1371, Flavor Leaf wrote:Like, I literally called out him setting up a Neapolitan gambit. You even stated Scum Neap balances the game out. TownNeo and Masons do not make sense together. That's just multiple wiggle proof confirmed town.
That is a compelling point in light of the power that has flipped already.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:14 pm
by MathBlade
In post 1540, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1538, MathBlade wrote:Ranny and I tried figuring out what PRs would work and we didn’t see a whole lot.

A gated PR like an even night Neo with the current roles outed would make sense in a high power game as the odds of hitting a town PR and thinking scum are high. Makes a lot more sense than indecisive bodyguard
You literally said Neo doesn't make sense with Masons. :roll: Convenient setup spec, I'll tell you what that is.
Oh no! My setup spec changes as I learn about the setup. Sue me.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:14 pm
by Flavor Leaf
im back to just thinking it's NPOM and the masons.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:14 pm
by Flavor Leaf
In post 1545, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1540, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1538, MathBlade wrote:Ranny and I tried figuring out what PRs would work and we didn’t see a whole lot.

A gated PR like an even night Neo with the current roles outed would make sense in a high power game as the odds of hitting a town PR and thinking scum are high. Makes a lot more sense than indecisive bodyguard
You literally said Neo doesn't make sense with Masons. :roll: Convenient setup spec, I'll tell you what that is.
Oh no! My setup spec changes as I learn about the setup. Sue me.
except the setup spec didn't change.

It went from Neo to Neo.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:16 pm
by MathBlade
In post 1547, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1545, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1540, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1538, MathBlade wrote:Ranny and I tried figuring out what PRs would work and we didn’t see a whole lot.

A gated PR like an even night Neo with the current roles outed would make sense in a high power game as the odds of hitting a town PR and thinking scum are high. Makes a lot more sense than indecisive bodyguard
You literally said Neo doesn't make sense with Masons. :roll: Convenient setup spec, I'll tell you what that is.
Oh no! My setup spec changes as I learn about the setup. Sue me.
except the setup spec didn't change.

It went from Neo to Neo.
No. It went from wtf to oh yeah it’s MS. Outer claimed bg with bad choices then reevaluated based on what I knew and realized the Neo was likely negative utility if true.

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:17 pm
by Flavor Leaf
Neapolitan is not negative utility, get outta here right now with that mindset.

And you're logic is poor because you're pushing a fake claim by someone who you are pushing is scum with me.