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flow trap #1362
flow has a point. He didn't event try to wagon ich. Could've too, considering ich thought they hammered an absent player.

MT #1363
flow trap was the first to vote though. He's the one who took initiative to pressure with votes, if that's what he were going for. Then unvoted when *others* joined to prevent a lolhammer. In this case he's in the right, this isn't scummy.

(add: MT sees this now; still don't remember there being an actual "push" on ich atp tho)

In post 1333, Morning Tweet wrote: I wonder if redtea's outburst yesterday means it's redtea/flow/Esooa. Cause actually T3 getting eliminated -> scum being judged -> this gamestate is really bad. Whereas if Dann died, that would have been potentially winning if T3 or Farren got elimed

i understand the strategy here, and maybe it's just my perspective of knowing my alignment, but. I don't see me leading my outburst the way I did if I were pushing for a dannflor elim of t3. I'm not confident enough in my own ability to sway town (as either alignment) enough to accomplish that just by saying "fuck it vote dann with me or lets hammer t3", and then peace out. If nothing else, I feel that that shows I was fully willing to eliminate either.
fwiw

In post 1375, Morning Tweet wrote:they also suggested helling Farren so Ich would be prevented from judging him, a few times IIRC.

THAT WAS LIKE OUR FOOLPROOF STRATEGY TO PREVENT ICH FROM PICKING FARREN, THEIR TUNNEL SR, AT A POSSIBLE JUDGEMENT DAY I DIDN'T EVEN COME UP WITH IT

(08/11 addition: actually, im gonna need some explanation on this because this makes no sense. Judgement Day in this particular game apparently is not the end of it, whether the exalted make the right choice or not, right? So how would that win scum the game? With 1 scum in hell, none in heaven? And the exalted getting another chance to hell scum every time they reach parity?

from a town!farren scum!me perspective- as i honestly believed game ended at judgement day, this would make sense, I thought that would end the game. But if we're both scum, would i not *talk to farren about helling him before doing so? And thus learn the actual mechanics for this game? Why would I even bother to pretend i don't know, if those mechanics aren't inside knowledge or anything? And no one else was surprised by the game not ending it seems.)

In post 1376, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 1321, redtea wrote:oh my god finally
VOTE: t3

Oh by the way what did you mean by "finally" here, redtea? Since i mean, we were just restoring the T3 elim that was already going to go through and had only been delayed because of the counterwagon of ur own making

it was already being delayed, and probably would've continued to be if something hadn't changed up. i was worried t3 wasn't gonna get voted despite all around consistent sr's on him. like endless back and forth until it's the last day, people aren't around to vote, maybe scum's up to something, etc. upon reflection, i probably also could've gone "hey farren, mt, you both seem to sr t3, what's the hold up?" but that could've just invited more words on a topic already discussed extensively, and my head was already swimming with words at that point. i know that's just an excuse, but uh... honestly, what's a game if you're not having fun, yeah?
and i mean yeah there's plurality so it could've been fine (irt what we could only suspect of t3's alignment at that point) but who knows.

like i swear up and down it's not that deep

In post 1377, Dannflor wrote:I *feel* like maybe redtea did that whole random push on me to

1. get the game out of the rut it was in, and 2. possibly as a reaction test for people

, notably to see how T3 might react?

exactly, this explains it well.
i wasn't charitable enough to think about testing t3 tho lol
despite my trs on farren and mt i was worried about why the wagon was stalling. Flow kept up his weird t3 "town feel" thing and wouldn't vote. Esooa was.. not here. Didn't feel right.

In post 1339, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm also taking into account that redtea's reasoning for the push on Dann was fairly reachy.

you're not entirely wrong, but you know, if maf, my method checks out all the same

In post 1356, Morning Tweet wrote:D1 hell wagons at their heights (roughly):

Esooa: T3, NSG, Farren
redtea: Farren, Esooa, T3, Ich
Enchant: flow, Ich, T3, Dann, Farren
T3: Enchant, Esooa, Farren
Farren: Ich, flow, Enchant

you can consider me being on the enchant one btw, since i meant to vote him by end of d1