In post 1224, Umlaut wrote:Oh look I'm getting wagoned. I could jump on Chaos if it's him or me but I haven't seen any good reason to suspect him aside from "read this other game to see his meta" which I'm just not going to do.
In post 1212, MathBlade wrote:I really don’t like the fact me and a top scumread are both thinking it’s a weird kill so maybe it’s just not?
This is a very weird line of thought. Why on earth would someone else thinking it's a weird kill mean it isn't one, scumread or not? What exactly is the connection here?
@Umlaut
Also, he did respond to these, but his iso is 9 posts long, so I feel like you can manage to find them yourself to see his defense/counter argument
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In post 259, Lukewarm wrote:Chaos also looks worse on a closer look. As of now he has commented on T3, and Flubber, and thats it.
And even with the two of them, he has been stand offish of taking stances. Despite having interacted with T3, I have no idea if he thinks that T3 is townie or scummy? So that leaves Chaos's only read in thread to be flubber.
And, with Flubber, he also held back...
post 71, joins the Flubber wagon with no comment on it what so ever.
Post 101, asks Seanzie for thoughts on the flubber interaction, but still has not voiced any thoughts on it themselves
It is not until 227 that he actually appears to be adding to the case, and that is after I have moved my vote, datsi has said they were starting to get town pings, and Aristeia removed her vote.
This feels like scum, but also never scum with Flubber, so if he does flip scum, flubber is probably lock town imo
VOTE: Chaos
In post 260, Lukewarm wrote:Basically, posts 71 and 101 feel like scum trying to help the wagon pass while also not looking like they are the one leading the push. Asking Seanzie's opinion also felt like a manipulative way to get an extra vote on the wagon.
And then 227 feels like scum realizing that their early day 1 miselim is starting to slip away, and finally stepping in to try and keep it on the table
In post 281, Lukewarm wrote:Me: I see something I found suspicious about Flubber, so I vote him and explain my suspicions
Flubber: Explains his thought process behind the things that I found suspicious
Me: I moved my vote
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Me: I see something that found suspicious about Aristeia, so I vote her and explain my suspicions
Aristeia: Responds to the thing that I found suspicious, and provides a read lsit
Me: I move my vote
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Me: I see somethings Chaos has done that I find suspicious, so I vote him and explain my suspicions
Chaos:
~Vote: Luke
~actually I never did anything wrong, and and address the reasons Luke stated to scum read me and
~actually, wasn't Luke being suspicious earlier, when he did this other interaction with Aristeia
~(Of course, I never voiced any opinions on either Luke or Aristeia until Luke started voting me)
In post 261, ChaosOmega wrote:
Is my vote not a comment on what I think of the wagon?
No
If everyone is jumping off, why would I be so desperate as scum to keep on here? Wouldn't this draw attention to me as it has?
Would you call scum "describing a reason why they scum read the person they are currently voting" as desperate? I didn't, and wouldn't. That is a strange interpretation of my words.
The jump on and off of Aristeia doesn't feel natural to me. Did you scumread her when you voted her in 171?
What does not feel natural to you? I said she did not have reads, and that was worrying to me. She gave a read list, and provided reasonings when asked.
As for other reads I have, Umlaut, Seanzie, Vulture, and Datisi for town, something about Gamma is pinging me, but I can't really put it into words, so I'm ignoring it for now, still think Flubber is scum, the push on Seanzie and his post about mindmelding w/ Titus reads phony.
See, this is what I find strange about your response. One of the things that I said was bothering me was that you don't have reads out there
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In post 259, Lukewarm wrote:As of now he has commented on T3, and Flubber, and thats it.
And even with the two of them, he has been stand offish of taking stances. Despite having interacted with T3, I have no idea if he thinks that T3 is townie or scummy? So that leaves Chaos's only read in thread to be flubber.
And, with Flubber, he also held back...
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And you see me make that point. Apparently realize that you should put some reads out out, but then also don't realize that I had a point, and therefore valid reason to pressure you for reads?
There seems to me to be a bit of cognitive dissonance between the omgus voting me reaction (which when coming from town, I find normally comes from a place of feeling like the reasons the person is scum reading you are non-genuine), while also addressing my biggest concern about you in this way.
His first two lines are explain-y, as in "this is what I'm actually trying to do", the point he's making is that he did nothing wrong.
I find that tends to come from people who are scum and disagree with the manner in which they get caught.
Because if Lukewarm is scum, why would he even bother explaining to Lukewarm what he's actually trying to do?
"If everyone is jumping off, why would I be so desperate as scum to keep on here? Wouldn't this draw attention to me as it has?"
This line is just wifom.
He's also looking at Lukewarm jumping off me, but if he actually believes Flubber to be scum, he should be much more interested in how Lukewarm started the Flubber wagon and then jumped off of it rather than the interaction with me.
Math Gamma Datisi and I are town. The rest is irrelevant.
Why Datisi
Datisi has been constantly scumhunting and leading the way. Why not Datisi? I see paranoia of Datisi but nothing that says scum.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:19 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Eh I didn’t like him kinda acting like I’d only really been focusing on Aristeia but it’s forgivable
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:22 pm
by Titus
Tbh, I think we're all tired and losing the thread a bit. It's like most of the people outside my locktown list and the As stopped trying. With that type of situation, it kills the game thread.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:02 pm
by Datisi
In post 1544, Gamma Emerald wrote:Eh I didn’t like him kinda acting like I’d only really been focusing on Aristeia but it’s forgivable
but... you have? after unvoting umlaut, you made one comment about n_m probably being town, everything else you posted was about aristeia.
don't think that i'm calling you scum for it because i am not, i was just asking >_>
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:06 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Just because I decide to focus on a particular issues doesn’t mean my others reads have evaporated
In post 1296, MathBlade wrote:1224 reads to me like someone entirely uninterested in the game not scummy. Many many times I have seen completely disinterested town and scum make similar posts. Ari also did the same sort of uninterested hop in but yet you pick on Umlaut why? I have as scum taken advantage of disinterested town to get a quick elim. We just had wagonpalooza D1 and now 4 people are confident sans case?
That reads one of two things neither of which are protown to share yet. Regardless I think a scum in Chaos, Datisi, Gamma, and Titus is quite high regardless of which explanation I go down.
Premise A: (Secret premise)
If Premise A is true then scum likely think Premise A is true and therefore would vote Umlaut.
If Premise A is not true then scum likely think they may get a free elim by hopping on without discussion like everyone else.
In post 1297, MathBlade wrote:It’s rather telling that 1224 is the first attempt to explain Umlaut scum rather than using D1 and that’s after unexplained votes appeared.
To those of you who are that sure Umlaut is scum, why not go look back and see what was scummy D1?
Make a case of it.
Math says he's not defending me and wants me limmed but this definitely reads like defending to me...
What is the point you're making here? Is Math scummy for doing this? If so, why?
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Lukewarm, what are your thoughts on Umlaut? Is he scummy but less so than me, neutral, town?
