Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:27 pm
Now, you admitting it is interesting.
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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:32 pm
Well, yeah, I'm admitting it because there's no purpose anymore. Scum clearly doesn't care, and going through with the Supersaint gambit would be anti-town. I get that you don't want me and Nathan driving the game today, but I'm pretty sure we're both town, so I'm comfortable with doing that if it means actually catching a mafia member this time.
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:34 pm
It’s not that I don’t want you guys driving the execution - it’s that I want a robust debate so that if we get it wrong today, then it’s easier to figure out what is going on. We do no have many opportunities left at solving the game. So we can’t just mindlessly execute someone today.
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:34 pm
^not have*
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:35 pm
I do think GMo could easily be Scum actually. I might be letting the ridiculousness of the overall play affect my read of the slot when they’ve clearly done absurdly anti-Town things.
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:43 pm
Alright, cool. I've been living with this "claim Supersaint at E-1 and watch scum squirm" plan in my head for, what, two weeks now(?), so it's probably more opaque than it feels to me. If there are any implications you guys are confused about with that in mind, let me know.
Since I'm at home again, here's my full notes with some redundancies trimmed, but I think I've actually shared everything on DGB that came to mind.
Andre, you're the town's expert on what the scumcase is for GMo. Is the Watcher fakeclaim anti-town, and how/how not?
Since I'm at home again, here's my full notes with some redundancies trimmed, but I think I've actually shared everything on DGB that came to mind.
Spoiler: Disorganized pile o' notes
Andre, you're the town's expert on what the scumcase is for GMo. Is the Watcher fakeclaim anti-town, and how/how not?
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:46 pm
Mistake in the notes pile: DGB shades me when I have a hot take on
(You're scum but I'm gonna get your pronouns right)
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(You're scum but I'm gonna get your pronouns right)
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:03 pm
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:59 pm
About Andre question, i don't know. If you are town, and townread me, well you doing it right. I saw more bizarre reasons for reads.
About fakeclaims. I don't think it's anti-town to fakeclaim to draw NK. But i simple don't believe you do that with common sense or any sense at all.
For example, why fake Supersaint and expect to be killed? Supersaint is mostly -2 townies via miselim. WHY NIGHTKILL THIS PRESENT? After town literally forced to skip elim to make even amount of players as well. +1 NK. Ergo: -3 Townies just because of supersaint.
Idk why you simple didn't fake 1-Shot Cop or something like that like i did. Yes i made crumbs as well.
About fakeclaims. I don't think it's anti-town to fakeclaim to draw NK. But i simple don't believe you do that with common sense or any sense at all.
For example, why fake Supersaint and expect to be killed? Supersaint is mostly -2 townies via miselim. WHY NIGHTKILL THIS PRESENT? After town literally forced to skip elim to make even amount of players as well. +1 NK. Ergo: -3 Townies just because of supersaint.
Idk why you simple didn't fake 1-Shot Cop or something like that like i did. Yes i made crumbs as well.
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 11:27 pm
it was just meant ot mean "i will take this as fact for the rest of the game and use it to base my reads on, unless contradicted by future info"In post 1448, Ythan wrote:This bit seems like a weird thing to tack on but I'm still not really sure how to interpret it.In post 1340, geraintm wrote:and will be believing it for the rest of the game.
I didnt think i needed to put the obvious qualifer on
Does GrandpaMo have form with this?In post 1452, Andresvmb wrote:Shocking that GrandpaMo was lying about their role. What else is new.
dont say things like this, i'll start thinking i am cleverer than i am.In post 1452, Andresvmb wrote:Shocking that GrandpaMo was lying about their role. What else is new.
but do keep saying nice things about me
if grandpamo is town, i don't see them touching them with a NK, scum must hope they get themselves eliminated for their play.In post 1462, Andresvmb wrote:The reason I’m alive and Kyouko was killed (we were both read as Town by Jolyne, and I also TR Kyouko), is because I was somewhat pocketed by Nathann. That’s a theory. Maybe wrong, but that’s an idea.
GrandpaMo’s atrocious play is never getting NK’ed. Consistently lying about their role is spectacularly aggravating, but probably not what I expect Scum to be doing. geraintm is Town, and Enchant’s healthy skepticism and pointed remarks make them Town in my book.
There’s just not that many options from where I stand.
If GrandpaMo is scum, then well played...
the posts leading up to 1480 from Andres and Nathann - i am reading Andres as town and Nathann's vote feels like trying to get out from under pressure and deflect elsewhere. i dunno, i do realise this is just me reading into people's play what i want to.
BTW, with the fake watcher claim this does feel a really, really flat town with barely any roles around
@Kayzan 1520 and the claim of VT
Is everyone in this game who is town trying to get themselves eliminated by faking roles? ANd none of you succeeded? Makes anyone who does actually have a role feel a little better i guess unless their role was really odd and we had an actual Vengeful or something.
I think i would like to push them towards town lean, but their votes are problematic - they were on Alice and Titus and on the Enchant wagon. I think my town lean pile is Andres and GrandpaMo.
scum pile is still likely nathann and then Kayzan - anyone know of games where kayzan has planned fake town roles as scum before?
i have tried looking at the wagons.In post 1522, Kazyan wrote:The two people I want to hear from right now are gera and Enchant. geraintm has repeadly expressed sentiments about waiting until there's more to analyze, Enchant is the only person who consistently scumread Andre on Day 1. I'd like their takes on whether this argument is headed somewhere helpful or down the drain. I'll talk about it if it helps, but I just really want DGB gone.
Oh, just looked up what supersaint was - it is a vengeful variant i've never come across before. my god this game will be very funny if Mod has put an actual vengeful in the game
@ kayzan 1530 - hmmm, this is pretty good if coming from scum. i am fairly on board with kayzan as likely town
"gera - probably town; would have great restraint to stay off all of these wagons"
^^^ if i am scum and town have managed to quickly eliminate two townies without my involvement, then town is just plain doomed and you should all go home now.
so has evreyone claimed to have crumbed a fake role now?In post 1533, Enchant wrote:About Andre question, i don't know. If you are town, and townread me, well you doing it right. I saw more bizarre reasons for reads.
About fakeclaims. I don't think it's anti-town to fakeclaim to draw NK. But i simple don't believe you do that with common sense or any sense at all.
For example, why fake Supersaint and expect to be killed? Supersaint is mostly -2 townies via miselim. WHY NIGHTKILL THIS PRESENT? After town literally forced to skip elim to make even amount of players as well. +1 NK. Ergo: -3 Townies just because of supersaint.
Idk why you simple didn't fake 1-Shot Cop or something like that like i did. Yes i made crumbs as well.
Enchant - crumbed 1 shot cop
Kayzan - crumbed supersaint {< i town read}
grandpamo - faked watcher {<- I town read}
am i missing anything from the rest?
Dwlee99
geraintm;
Ythan;
Andresvmb; {< i town read}
Nathann; {< i scum read}
DrippingGoofball;
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 12:52 am
That's the neat part--the plan was to not fakeclaim until I was at E-1 and thus actually going to die. I'd just keep softing that I have some sort of role and let fear of the unknown do the rest. "-3 townies" is exactly why scum would do everything in their power to weasel out of hammering me, and why the actual hammerer would become conftown.In post 1533, Enchant wrote:About Andre question, i don't know. If you are town, and townread me, well you doing it right. I saw more bizarre reasons for reads.
About fakeclaims. I don't think it's anti-town to fakeclaim to draw NK. But i simple don't believe you do that with common sense or any sense at all.
For example, why fake Supersaint and expect to be killed? Supersaint is mostly -2 townies via miselim. WHY NIGHTKILL THIS PRESENT? After town literally forced to skip elim to make even amount of players as well. +1 NK. Ergo: -3 Townies just because of supersaint.
Idk why you simple didn't fake 1-Shot Cop or something like that like i did. Yes i made crumbs as well.
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:03 am
The actual joke here is that Supersaint is, in fact, not Normal.In post 1520, Kazyan wrote:I suddenly got more confident towards the end of Day 1 once I figured out a fakeclaim: Supersaint. All I'd have to do was spin some stuff about how 92 was actually letting the mod know I understood how the role worked after a bunch of PM'd "are you sure this is Normal?" kind of questions
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:11 am
@Andres, what's your thoughts on Enchant? I get the idea behind "DGB did this one Townie thing on Day 1", but (I think?) you're Town on Enchant, and I don't see why?
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:20 am
I like gera's thought processes, now that I can see them, so I'm totally willing to give you a complete townpass until tomorrow.
The way I see it, Andre/Nathan/gera/Dwlee/Enchant have so much towniness going for them that I can afford to put all of our chips on the scumteam being in {DGB, Ythan, GMo}, in that order. I think we're in a really good spot for gamesolving, here.
I don't like the idea of us putting Nathann back on the table, but I admit I haven't been paying close enough attention to him, so a close examination would be informative. Let's do it.
The way I see it, Andre/Nathan/gera/Dwlee/Enchant have so much towniness going for them that I can afford to put all of our chips on the scumteam being in {DGB, Ythan, GMo}, in that order. I think we're in a really good spot for gamesolving, here.
I don't like the idea of us putting Nathann back on the table, but I admit I haven't been paying close enough attention to him, so a close examination would be informative. Let's do it.
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:20 am
VOTE: Ythan
I get a feeling this is a game where the Town is cannibalizing each other while Scum is chilling on the sidelines. And Kazyan's explanations just feel too convoluted for Scum. Maybe it's stupid to
I get a feeling this is a game where the Town is cannibalizing each other while Scum is chilling on the sidelines. And Kazyan's explanations just feel too convoluted for Scum. Maybe it's stupid to
then
be voting off-wagon, but whatever, I'm still waiting on GranpaMo and DGB to impress anyway.Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:40 am
Everyone in my idea of a lim pool feels like limbait which makes me think I should consider reeval but also it might just be that easy.
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:42 am
Thinking to when there was a whole day phase of arguing amongst town in Chrono trigger and then we killed the lim bait and they were the last mafia lol
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:42 am
Let me quess, it's Me/GPo and Kazyan?
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:43 am
No, you/DGB/Ythan/gpo
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:44 am
I quessed 50% i consider this a win.
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:44 am
I agree with Nathan that Kaz feels too convoluted for scum. Dgb and Ythan are lurkers. Gpo did a weird fake claim role fish thing and you're well you
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:46 am
What you mean by me mean me?
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:47 am
You're always scummy imo. I don't feel a substantial difference between what I've seen of you as scum when I read our iso in the micro, the hydra game, or here
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:53 am
I can give you some games where i am town and not scummy, but it's more matter of luck, not of my efforts.
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:54 am
Oh there was also the cult game lol