In post 1521, Aristeia wrote:I don't think 1494 is definitive either way - contradictions are not solid evidence of alignment imo.
but how does town!Greeting evolve from "I understand why furtive is annoyed" to "There's no reason for town to be annoyed"? If they did understand it in the first place, they'd understand why town might act that way. To me it seems like one of those statements has to be a lie. the best case I can make for a town explanation is that Greeting was exaggerating in the second post to try to sell a case, but even that still seems fundamentally disingenuous
And that’s not the only time Greeting contradicts himself.
Greeting went from Roden isn’t doing anything to I want to hear Roden’s scumcase on furtive.
is emotional when town, hates being wrongly accused, fiercely fights back when wrongly accused.
Roden
is much colder when scum.
This shouldn't be hard.
His game start was... bad. I know that he tends to get eliminated Day 1 really often and he's limbait pretty much though. That's why I wanted to cut him some slack and give him a chance to prove himself and why I consciously decided to ignore his pre-existing 4 posts when I joined the game. Nonetheless, it also does feel like a convenient excuse to not make an entrance and sneak back in the game only once it's started.
I noticed that
Loki Dokie
is being unusually aggressive in pursuing
Roden
for essentailly a naked vote in 188. The justification being that:
In post 352, Roden wrote:Posting just to say I'm not lurking, I've been dealing with a crisis with a friend and I'm more focused on that atm. I'll respond to stuff later tonight.
roden not actually following up feels pretty significantly +scum equity
Ngl I opened up the browser when I got home, quoted the Loki post, and then just smoked and went on youtube for a few hours instead
What game were we both in where I was scum? Or is that just a general read?
Where's the scumhunting energy? All I see is never ending excuses for why there is none.
In post 434, furtiveglance wrote:I'm becoming increasingly confident on Greeting, and Vivax hasn't really changed my mind, but I think I'll move my vote in the interests of momentum.
Greeting is playing, quite literally, like a robot.
VOTE: Greeting
How so?
In post 447, Greeting wrote:I need to take a break for a while, but this is a reminder to myself to look into
In post 316, Bell wrote:Are you the other dog avatar. Because you’re the only player that comes into a game as an alt and immediately claims that they’re obviously the sog avatar when you’re significantly goofier when you’re the dog.
In post 333, Bell wrote:*stares vacantly* Wisdom?
That doesn’t make any sense.
Just tell me. If you’re going to play coy about it.
Well more important question are you a polarized player where you play totally different as one alignment from another?
I feel like I got a tldr: from greeting that could be summed up as kill all lurkers.
Sure. Yeah. Okay.
I don't know if this was directed to me or anything. If you want to interact with me then you have to be very clear that the question is directed at me, because otherwise my brain will just decide it's not worth my effort.
As for my Day 1 strategy, it's pretty much work with what we've got, so leave the towniest out of the PoE and pick someone from the PoE. Because there will be no classic Day 2 or Day 3 for that matter and I don't want to be choosing between two lurkers.
Digging through the ISOs finally, and found these posts noteworthy. Greeting misinterprets Bell as addressing them twice, when Bell is actually talking to Loki.
What strikes me here is that if Greeting and Bell were sharing a scumchat, I don't think this kind of mistake gets made. The assumption that Bell would be pushing them for alt shenanigans instead of the person actively talking about being an alt and making reads based on others' knowledge of it is frankly quite silly as either alignment, but it makes even less sense if they're on a team and communicating outside the main thread. Like, from Greeting's PoV, if Bell wants to know their main they could have just asked in the PT, so the natural assumption would be that they mean someone else, right?
There is absolutely no way this happened because both Greeting and Bell were in KTANE - a very recent game, so why would Greeting think that Bell’s memory is so bad that he’d forget that Greeting was also in that game.
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:43 am
by GuiltyLion
wait hold up, I think Greeting is just replying to that last bit in Bell's post, about their reads list being "kill all lurkers". I don't think Greeting was actually responding to the first bit about alts. So that should resolve Rat's point/concern
In post 316, Bell wrote:Are you the other dog avatar. Because you’re the only player that comes into a game as an alt and immediately claims that they’re obviously the sog avatar when you’re significantly goofier when you’re the dog.
In post 333, Bell wrote:*stares vacantly* Wisdom?
That doesn’t make any sense.
Just tell me. If you’re going to play coy about it.
Well more important question are you a polarized player where you play totally different as one alignment from another?
I feel like I got a tldr: from greeting that could be summed up as kill all lurkers.
Sure. Yeah. Okay.
I don't know if this was directed to me or anything. If you want to interact with me then you have to be very clear that the question is directed at me, because otherwise my brain will just decide it's not worth my effort.
As for my Day 1 strategy, it's pretty much work with what we've got, so leave the towniest out of the PoE and pick someone from the PoE. Because there will be no classic Day 2 or Day 3 for that matter and I don't want to be choosing between two lurkers.
Digging through the ISOs finally, and found these posts noteworthy. Greeting misinterprets Bell as addressing them twice, when Bell is actually talking to Loki.
What strikes me here is that if Greeting and Bell were sharing a scumchat, I don't think this kind of mistake gets made. The assumption that Bell would be pushing them for alt shenanigans instead of the person actively talking about being an alt and making reads based on others' knowledge of it is frankly quite silly as either alignment, but it makes even less sense if they're on a team and communicating outside the main thread. Like, from Greeting's PoV, if Bell wants to know their main they could have just asked in the PT, so the natural assumption would be that they mean someone else, right?
There is absolutely no way this happened because both Greeting and Bell were in KTANE - a very recent game, so why would Greeting think that Bell’s memory is so bad that he’d forget that Greeting was also in that game.
Oh and look who was also in this game - that took place
5 months ago
. Did you all guess
Andante
?
So Greeting also apparently thought that Bell also forgot that Andante was also in KTANE.
In post 316, Bell wrote:Are you the other dog avatar. Because you’re the only player that comes into a game as an alt and immediately claims that they’re obviously the sog avatar when you’re significantly goofier when you’re the dog.
Greeting, Bell and Andante were all in a game together that happened 5 months ago, so why would Greeting think that Bell would mix him up with Andante?
In post 1472, Aristeia wrote:I kind of want to see if Radical Rat will really vote for Vulture
In post 1474, Aristeia wrote:it kind of almost feels like RR is in the same position Bell was in on D1
This is bait, and it's coming from scum. Not for scumreading me, but for trying to goad me into specific actions under the threat of scumreading me.
What's the point of bait if you're both not up for decision? Seems like an honest angle out of pure curiosity.
Think you and Ari both villa atp.
Then who do you think is the last scum then?
well...
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:09 pm
by Loki Dokie
In post 987, Roden wrote:I...don't know why I'm alive. That was one of my worst Day 1's in awhile, I expected to get thrown in the pit for an easy scum point.
I understand Kitty flipped red but I genuinely don't know why he got flipped at all. Every time I've seem scum!Kitty, he fights hard to live and gets hard protected by his allies, with all the pressure on him and no real defense I thought he was just town LHF again. There's no way he wasn't bussed, because I still don't think he did anything particularly scummy for people to want him out as badly as everyone did.
In post 989, GuiltyLion wrote:Roden, if you're town and Dann is never scum here, why do you think mafia put mafia!kuti against town!Dann instead of you
Kuti is an odd choice, my only guess is that mafia needs Dann dead and that they think they can send me up against pretty much anyone and score. A dead influential townie now and a free point later isn't the worst strat in hindsight.
In post 1003, GuiltyLion wrote:I dunno I need to sleep on it and really articulate it but I have this knawing fear that Dann is the deep wolf and furtive/Vivax/fire/Loki/Ari is basically the town bloc and Rat and Roden are trying to go for this "the simple explanation is correct kuti is kafia" tack with like NO apparent doubt that Dann might be scum, to try to get it back to even. Why would mafia be ok with risking going down 2-0, at that point town could fluke into a win on any of the last three tests it's such a dangerous position. If I were mafia and down 1-0 I'd be putting forward what I thought was one of our best chances to win a point
It sure is fun getting accused of being bad level zero scum every single game
If we get this right, we won’t have to worry who it is and I still think it’s Vulture. Roden’s vote on me may have been bad but Vulture tried to rush Dann vote and hard doubt my furtive read
Dann’s problem is that he always thinks than anyone obv tr him has to be scum and if Roden has any experience playing with town!Dann whatsoever I don’t see how he wouldn’t know this.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:05 am
by Datisi
vote count 4.01
with 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2022-08-29 23:15:00).
Post Post #1212 (isolation #3) » Mon Aug 15, 2022 10:35 pm
In post 1149, Aristeia wrote:
i think Bell/Dann are S/S and this game is basically over
I have bad news.
~ Bell
So Bell was actually telling the truth here, he just meant that Ari was wrong on Dann not him.
@RR don’t you think this interaction with Ari and Bell looks antipartnery?
@RR?
Sorry, brain's been a bit scattered lately.
But no, not really. A toothless accusation on one Town and one partner, when only the Town is relevant in the moment, followed by Bell making a token "Not scum" statement. Seems like pretty standard stuff to me
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:17 am
by Vivax
Gonna quote a bunch of stuff I find useful for stirring thoughts. Might take a few posts so excuse the mess. Interpretation is left up to you.
Re: Dann + Fire sort of ganging up on Loki. Followed by Rodens vote on Loki and my exchange with FG. KT expressed displeasure at the Loki votes.
In post 126, Dannflor wrote:like I find it strange Radical Rat, Vivax, and Loki all came in clearly having been reading, but had nothing to say about the large wall a few posts before, or really anything substantive about the game. im not pointing fingers at anyone specifically but regardless of fire's alignment that's weird right?
In post 174, Dannflor wrote:I mean, someone made a case, or as much as you can make a case at this point of the game on another slot. Isn't that worth reading and either vocally agreeing with or disagreeing or drawing some conclusion from since it's one of the only bits of content in the game so far?
I'm not asking for theses or for everyone to be all caught up or have developed thoughts. It just strikes me as odd when people are present and commenting and posting but ignoring content *especially* at this stage of the game
Not for me it isn’t. I’m actually exhausted rn and this game just literally started, so if you’re town, your vote on me was probably just silly, since you don’t appear to be taking any of that into account but I will reread it tomorrow.
I’m town and this flashwagon on me is as scummy as fuck.
Either way, great tone.
I suspect Vivax for this post, the 'either way' thing is too conscious of mafia faking tone.
VOTE: Vivax
With or without TMI on Loki?
Changed my mind on him, got goosed by AtE.
VOTE: Loki
Loki's alignment doesn't matter, I'm saying you're mafia. Why are you trying to obfuscate/confuse the issue? Why would you even care whether you're 'mafia with someone' or not if you're town? Also this turnaround has not helped you.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:29 am
by Vivax
I think that the vote placements of both Loki and Roden around these pages are sus, they're both placed at pos 3 or 4 after getting wagoned respectively, but Loki voted Roden after this progression:
In post 224, GuiltyLion wrote:Loki how would you describe your scumgame? since you are a heavy meta player I'd like to understand what you think are the meta differences between your own town and scumplay
It’s more of what I don’t do as scum as opposed to what I do do. Like I do a lot more obvious townie things as town, especially as the game progresses.
The fact that I already got as many votes as I did, is a strong indicator that I’m town here fwiw because that extremely rarely ever happens to me as scum which Roden would definitely know if he knew who I was.
In post 231, Vivax wrote:I oppose Roden lunch and Furtive is mafia
Which will probably not make a difference
I don’t think he is because unless his scumgame has drastically improved, I get townpings from his posts here. Like he was flaming obvscum in that game and I don’t think someone’s scumgame improves that quickly.
And why is Roden town? It’s pretty much a coin flip which of you had the most suss takes on me.
with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-08-11 09:45:00).
Most based votecount I found
VOTE: Roden
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 3:59 am
by Loki Dokie
@Vivax, I’m not following?
I don’t see how any of this refutes anything I’ve been sayong wrt Greeting v Roden?
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:02 am
by Loki Dokie
In post 1538, Vivax wrote:I think that the vote placements of both Loki and Roden around these pages are sus, they're both placed at pos 3 or 4 after getting wagoned respectively, but Loki voted Roden after this progression:
In post 224, GuiltyLion wrote:Loki how would you describe your scumgame? since you are a heavy meta player I'd like to understand what you think are the meta differences between your own town and scumplay
It’s more of what I don’t do as scum as opposed to what I do do. Like I do a lot more obvious townie things as town, especially as the game progresses.
The fact that I already got as many votes as I did, is a strong indicator that I’m town here fwiw because that extremely rarely ever happens to me as scum which Roden would definitely know if he knew who I was.
In post 231, Vivax wrote:I oppose Roden lunch and Furtive is mafia
Which will probably not make a difference
I don’t think he is because unless his scumgame has drastically improved, I get townpings from his posts here. Like he was flaming obvscum in that game and I don’t think someone’s scumgame improves that quickly.
And why is Roden town? It’s pretty much a coin flip which of you had the most suss takes on me.
be thinking Roden is mafia
233 indicates coin flip read
250 is voting following thread sentiment
Oh you think I’m the last scum here? Well you’d be 100% wrong in that case, so if that’s the sole basis for your Roden vote, I strongly advise you to rethink it.
In post 1538, Vivax wrote:I think that the vote placements of both Loki and Roden around these pages are sus, they're both placed at pos 3 or 4 after getting wagoned respectively, but Loki voted Roden after this progression:
In post 224, GuiltyLion wrote:Loki how would you describe your scumgame? since you are a heavy meta player I'd like to understand what you think are the meta differences between your own town and scumplay
It’s more of what I don’t do as scum as opposed to what I do do. Like I do a lot more obvious townie things as town, especially as the game progresses.
The fact that I already got as many votes as I did, is a strong indicator that I’m town here fwiw because that extremely rarely ever happens to me as scum which Roden would definitely know if he knew who I was.
In post 231, Vivax wrote:I oppose Roden lunch and Furtive is mafia
Which will probably not make a difference
I don’t think he is because unless his scumgame has drastically improved, I get townpings from his posts here. Like he was flaming obvscum in that game and I don’t think someone’s scumgame improves that quickly.
And why is Roden town? It’s pretty much a coin flip which of you had the most suss takes on me.
be thinking Roden is mafia
233 indicates coin flip read
250 is voting following thread sentiment
Oh you think I’m the last scum here? Well you’d be 100% wrong in that case, so if that’s the sole basis for your Roden vote, I strongly advise you to rethink it.
In that case you'd HAVE to think and promote that fire is scum
In post 1538, Vivax wrote:I think that the vote placements of both Loki and Roden around these pages are sus, they're both placed at pos 3 or 4 after getting wagoned respectively, but Loki voted Roden after this progression:
In post 224, GuiltyLion wrote:Loki how would you describe your scumgame? since you are a heavy meta player I'd like to understand what you think are the meta differences between your own town and scumplay
It’s more of what I don’t do as scum as opposed to what I do do. Like I do a lot more obvious townie things as town, especially as the game progresses.
The fact that I already got as many votes as I did, is a strong indicator that I’m town here fwiw because that extremely rarely ever happens to me as scum which Roden would definitely know if he knew who I was.
In post 231, Vivax wrote:I oppose Roden lunch and Furtive is mafia
Which will probably not make a difference
I don’t think he is because unless his scumgame has drastically improved, I get townpings from his posts here. Like he was flaming obvscum in that game and I don’t think someone’s scumgame improves that quickly.
And why is Roden town? It’s pretty much a coin flip which of you had the most suss takes on me.
be thinking Roden is mafia
233 indicates coin flip read
250 is voting following thread sentiment
Oh you think I’m the last scum here? Well you’d be 100% wrong in that case, so if that’s the sole basis for your Roden vote, I strongly advise you to rethink it.
In that case you'd HAVE to think and promote that fire is scum
Why? I don’t think it’s fire. Why would I want to push slots I think are town?
I don’t want us to lose, so no I have 0 interest in pushing my trs.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:20 am
by Loki Dokie
I think that fire, GL and Ari are town. I thought you were as well but I’m slightly paranoing on you now. I still think last scum is probably RR unless it’s actually you.
GL - sounds like his towngame
ARi - anti-associates with Bell
+ after being wrong on Dann, wanted to sheep fire.
fire - like duh, has had the correct takes every single fucking time!
Not rocket science.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:25 am
by Loki Dokie
Seriously @Vivax, in what world do you think fire ever makes sense here? Had we listened to him on Dann, the game would be over now.
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:36 am
by Loki Dokie
I would also seriously like to understand why either RR and Vivax are suddenly tr the player that tried to rush though Dann vote and gave me shit for my furtive tr?
I really want to understand how that’s town. Please humour me.
In post 527, Vivax wrote:Ari, Dann, Loki are mafia on an incomplete reread.
Roden, Furtive maybe town from page 8 behaviour.
Fireisred is peculiar.
The first two I kinda get, don't really agree with Dannflor.
I don't know where you got Loki being mafia from. They seem very town, their entire gameview is based on mafia trying to get them out. I don't think scum would play like that nor have I ever seen it.
Just reposting this, just in case Vivax actually is seriously bad town here.[/b]
Only think he’s managed to accomplish is doubt my sr on RR because I know it’s not me obviously and I seriously doubt it’s ever GL, Ari and especially fire.
That definitely really pinged me, that Vivax asked me to make a scumcase on the most obvious town player still alive in the game, to prove I’m not scum.
Like maybe it actually is Vivax and I’m wrong on RR?
