Nintendo Mafia (Game Over)

[GhostWriter]

Only thing I need is a name-claim from Lew and that'll be it. Got about a 90% chance of Lew helping me find 1 scum, and about... 45% that we'll find 2.

[Kdub]

There was no real reason for scum-PatB to claim when he did. thil was under a decent amount of pressure already, and PatB wasn't really on the radar as far as suspects go. He put himself on the line to implicate thil, which scum would be unlikely to do with multiple killing factions out there. That's why he's probably telling the truth.

If thil is scum, he's probably the roleblocker himself. We have a 1v1, let's not overthink this. One of them is today's lynch, and I'm pretty sure it's thil.

[thil13]

Has it occurred to people that we may both be town? His list has 3 anti-town on it, with 2 town. Yeah there is a 60% that one of those people may be anti-town, but not certain. For myself there are only 4 people that should be on the list, and right now, my suspicion would lay on esurio. The way she reacts to suspicion is very, childish if you ask me, and if PatB is who he says he is, there is a 25% chance that she's scum.

[esuriospiritus]

Childish = scummy? k.

No reaction whatsoever to PatB claiming roleblocked, huh?

[lewarcher82]

Well GW, I see no reasons not to nameclaim, assuming you have a good reason to ask me to do it. Still, I have never supported the idea of a mass roleclaim. Therefore, unless you need it for completing your theory, I will not name my role.

My name is T.A.C. Although I didn't play the kirby games, I looked up some stuff on the wiki and apparently he is a minor enemy. Like Tragedy/Waddle Doo, surprisingly I am town.

I think at this point we can go on with a popcorn nameclaim: too many people already claimed. My next call is obviously weirdalexv.

[GhostWriter]

I agree, we might as well do the nameclaims, and Alex most certainly should go next. I'll go last, if that's alright. My back is bugging out, and I've got to take some meds and sleep the pain off.

[lewarcher82]

Meaning your theory comes at the end of the whole process? mmmmmh

[The Master Hand]

Why are we nameclaiming again? Because a non-alliance member suggested it?
LOLNO

[Kdub]

I agree, we might as well do the nameclaims, and Alex most certainly should go next. I'll go last, if that's alright. My back is bugging out, and I've got to take some meds and sleep the pain off.

I thought you just needed lew's nameclaim to give your theory? Are you changing your story? Trying to put yourself last in the nameclaim order despite the fact that we're popcorning is also noted.

[GhostWriter]

Nope, theory doesn't change. It would have lent it credit. Whatev's, here we go:

My "theory" is actually more of a fullclaim. I'm Luigi, the tracker. Left a breadcrumb bottom of this post here:

I'm going to relent for (just) the moment. If I determine that I should claim I will let us decide whether my information is as significant as I think.

Showing that you aren't as sure of your "evidence", whatever it may be, as you were before.

I'm not backtracking. I've never stated I have absolute proof he is scum. As I clearly stated in that post I am relenting for the moment but may in the future share what information I have for more minds to consider. None of this information is new.

Makes it look like your info isn't role-related, which is what we're being led to believe.

If none of it is new, then I'm not seeing it and I don't see the harm in you sharing it.

...

That's exactly what I was doing.

Except you weren't. You haven't shared anything with any of us yet. You've only been talking about possibly doing it.

Overalls

, asking you to be clear is justified.

Now then, the reason I asked Lew to name claim is that I hold fast to the belief that PR's will be characters that have large importance in their games. Flips say it's that way, and flips are the only sure thing we have to go on. Had Lew claimed a bigger name (bigger in reference to the name's role in a game), I would have left what I found last night alone. However, if Waddle Doo is a VT, TAC should be as well. They're both just Kirby enemies that can be swallowed up to give Kirby power. However, last night, Lew visited Thil. Which means Lew has an ability, which means I don't believe the claim. I believe Lew is the scum RB. I was asking for further nameclaims because of the Sensor report. Sensor is a fairly powerful role, so I was thinking maybe certain characters can mess with it so that the mod could try to balance the game. As for reports throughout the game, N1 everyone got roleblocked, N2 I missed putting a target in, N3 Dekes didn't do anything, and N4 was Lew visiting Thil.

[The Master Hand]

Buuut that suggests a lot of stuff that I'm not willing to believe
1)You would have to believe that Thil was lying about his claim as well
2)Lew-scum wouldn't have roleblocked his scumbuddy
3)What was Pinky and the Brains character? Aurora Unit? that doesn't sound like an important character
4)Lew is our strongest town-read
5)Still means there needs to be two role blockers

Unless your suggesting a Lew-PatB-thil scumteam, your theory doesn't make much sense.
-Toast

[Kdub]

GW, can you paraphrase flavor for why Luigi is a tracker? I'm not really seeing how that works. Then again, Wario as a doc is a stretch as well, but all the town PRs that have flipped so far seem to make sense from a flavor standpoint.

Who did you attempt to target on N1? What were your reasons for each of your targets?

Your theory is otherwise unconvincing.

[jmj3000]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

DemonHybrid

- 1 - Bunnylover - (L-5)

thil13

- 2 - esuriospiritus, weirdalexv - (L-4)

weirdalexv

- 2 - The Master Hand, lewarcher82 - (L-4)

Players not voting: DemonHybrid, GhostWriter, Kdub, Pinky and the Brain, thil13

Deadline is June 24th at 12:30 AM EDT.

(expired on 2011-06-24 00:30:00)

Also, congrats on boosting activity a little bit. No one is even close to prod range.

[lewarcher82]

I am not a VT and never said I were. At this point, claiming is the best course. I am a 1-shot flavour-cop. I tried to use my ability n1 on Ythan. It didn't work, and I decided to save it for a better occasion. I used my ability last night, visited thil and got a report. Namely, I have found a crystal ball. It is a crappy hint. Merlon has a crystal ball, but several Mario villains have crystal balls, too.

However, I can confirm GW's role. Question: if you are a

town

tracker, how come you never targeted thil to confirm his claimed "blocked investigations"? Targeting me and Dekes sounds

a lot

like looking for town pr's...

[GhostWriter]

I didn't trust that vote bloc. And I figured it was only a matter of time before Thil is lynched anyway, no point wasting a track on that. N1 I targetted DBE/Bunny. My flavor is that I've spent so many years following after my brother that I've gotten good at following people.

[lewarcher82]

I didn't trust that vote bloc. And I figured it was only a matter of time before Thil is lynched anyway, no point wasting a track on that. N1 I targetted DBE/Bunny. My flavor is that I've spent so many years following after my brother that I've gotten good at following people.

since someone is definitely going to ask: my flavour mentions T.A.C. being a thief. Still, no reference is ever made to me actually stealing items or skills. I have no idea if thil received a notification about my visit, so I assume he still has his ability after my visit.

@mod: actually, Demon Hybrid's last post was on June the 2nd... I guess he should be pretty close to prod-range.

[Kdub]

lew, why didn't you use your ability on N2?

[DemonHybrid]

Sorry, I'm here. I've been busy with other games, song contest, life, etc.

I'd like to wait for lew's answer to Kdub before anything else, however.

[thil13]

Aurora Unit 242 was the major "bad guy" and objective in one of the Metroid Prime games, just for reference.

I do like GW's theory, but I feel like either role would be just as likely. But Lew, how can you

confirm

Gw's role? I thought you were a 1 shot flavour cop.

[Kdub]

Aurora Unit 242 was the major "bad guy" and objective in one of the Metroid Prime games, just for reference.

Wrong, Aurora Unit 242 was the unit that helped Samus during Metroid Prime 3. I think it was one of the other units that was taken over and became a villain.

lew's claim doesn't confirm GW's role exactly. It does confirm that either GW is a town tracker, or that the scum have a tracking ability.

[thil13]

i knew it was from the metroid games, but I also knew that there were a couple aurora units and couldn't remember which was which.

[wierdalexv]

I'm sorry for my absence, I thought I would have a lot of time for this game, being it's the summer and all, but we've been getting ready to sell our house, so I've been kind of busy with that. Sorry.
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Aurora Unit 313, I believe, was corrupted by Dark Samus and became the final boss in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Aurora Unit 242 was in the opening at GFS Olympus, and basically warned Samus and the rest of the bounty hunters that there were Space Pirates in the area. Claim looks valid with the flavor.
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I am Samus Aran.
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My responses to the cases on me:

Why would scum push a VT lynch D1, when they could simply push, oh, idk, ANOTHER lynch D1 without getting caught?
What scum motivation would we have (as scum (LOL)) to push a lynch THAT HARD knowing full well (his crumbs) that he will flip VT? If he'd flip Double-Acting-Cop then I'd throw a goon down to get that man lynched before N1. But no. He flipped VT.
So, tell me, where's the scum motivation for pushing that lynch --> knowing we would take a HEAP of crap for doing so D2? Hell, we figured if he DID flip town that we'd be shot for sure. (We weren't, so that tells you a couple things in and of itself.)

OK, you're right, kind of (although this COULD be applied to basically any 'this is extremely scummy' argument).

So....scum would probably be ON the wagon, just not pushing hard. Right? Or would THIS be too obvious, also? (And yes, I am both asking this and being somewhat sarcastic at the same time. Didn't even know that was possible until now.)

Also, everyone else is "null reads". Anyone think that is a load of horseshit?

Townhunting has never been a specialty of mine. Seriously, look at meta, basically the only way I will say town is if they are scumhunting or townslipped.
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GhostWriter, why did you only ask for NAMEclaim, not ROLEclaim? Because assuming VT/PRs seems kind of strange in a game with strange flips like Waddle Doo=VT & Wario=Mafia Doc; claiming there yourself just blew the whole thing, IMO.

So...questions...
@thil13: do you have anything to say about my case on you?
@Esuriospiritus: Post #329 -- Why did you doubt his alignment after seeing the breadcrumbs which pointed to Dampe, who was a protagonist in Ocarina of Time?
@GhostWriter: What I said above (why did you only ask for a nameclaim, and then claimed yourself before a fullclaim when your information could have been varified with it if you didn't claim?)
@Everybody: Do you want me to do a Votecount Analysis today or in a few days when we have more flips? <- I WANT EVERYBODY'S OPINION ON THIS.
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Also:

He jumped in, skimmed the thread (because you can't possibly read 60 pages in one day)

I read the thread before I replaced in (although, FTR, I did read about 40 Pages of it in one day. Summer=Way too much free time on the computer)

[lewarcher82]

lew, why didn't you use your ability on N2?

this is the first time I play with a 1shot town ability (I once was a JOAT-SK). At first, I assumed the best course was using my skill immediately, on someone who did not strike me as convincingly town, but not on someone who was among the biggest suspects of day1. Once my action did not go through, I reconsidered the strategy and decided to wait until my ability would have been able to confirm a claim. So the best question is not why I didnt use my ability n2, but rather why I did not use in N3: I did not because at that point I was almost convinced of thil's claim, and I was afraid I would have wasted it if used it on someone who was gonna die the very same night. Then thil strated surviving his claim, and I decided to go for it.

@thil(1): role=tracker/not-tracker, alignment=town/scum, flavour=name. This is the standard terminology. When I said I could confirm his role, I meant he does know when I visited whom, so heis a tracker. I cannot confirm that he is town, and this is why I asked him about his picks.

@thil(2): second time I ask you this: who is scum and who is not? We are on day5: give us some reads.

@thil(3): without quoting, is there anything in your role PM that makes you think my report is genuine?

@GW(1): apart from the fact that your "case" on me is based on a VT claim I never made, can you explain me why town-T.A.C. should be a VT but scum-T.A.C. can be a scum PR?

@GW(2): do you realise that your claimed reports are extremely convenient? You only provide a case against me, but all of your other reports are on dead players, except n2, in which you - like thil on n1 - missed the deadline? If you are a scum tracker, you will be able to say "meh, I was wrong" when I flip, and then you will prolly post a no visit report on a scum partner of yours tomorrow. Or you will claim roleblocked, since, after my death, no scum roleblocker would have flipped :-/

answers to weirdalexv come after work.

[Kdub]

@Everybody: Do you want me to do a Votecount Analysis today or in a few days when we have more flips? <- I WANT EVERYBODY'S OPINION ON THIS.

Wouldn't hurt to do it now and then re-evaluate after another round of flips.

So the best question is not why I didnt use my ability n2, but rather why I did not use in N3: I did not because at that point I was almost convinced of thil's claim, and I was afraid I would have wasted it if used it on someone who was gonna die the very same night. Then thil strated surviving his claim, and I decided to go for it.

Fair enough. Your ability does seem a bit useless (especially one-shot) if the scum were given safeclaims that were consistent flavor-wise with their role (e.g. if thil is scum but was given a Merlon safeclaim, and your investigation found something consistent with the safeclaim), but I guess it could work in cases where scum deviated from their safeclaims or swapped claims with each other.

Whatever the case, GW's theory is unconvincing, and we still have a 1v1. I think I'm ready for a thil lynch whenever.

[thil13]

I wouldn't mind a pianist lynch, I also wouldn't mind an Esurio lynch, but which to choose?

This answer your first question lew?

Also, your report would make sense, but it's also something that anyone could have figured out by looking him up or deductive reasoning. So I'm not quite convinced.