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Bah, I was hoping I'd beat the prod. Turned into a busy weekend and I didn't have time to catch up 30+ pages of Mafia. Heavy reading time now.

In post 1546, Svenskt Stål wrote:VOTE: the goat

I see.

Well, I'm glad I listened to you, ignored Nero, worked on the game, and tried to be constructive.

In post 1547, ferretlover wrote:

VOTE: THE GOAT

Any old train will do, huh?

I'm starting to understand your nickname.

In post 1550, TheEsquire wrote:Bah, I was hoping I'd beat the prod. Turned into a busy weekend and I didn't have time to catch up 30+ pages of Mafia. Heavy reading time now.

Careful now. You'll get accused of using lurking as a playstyle.

For my own sanity's sake, I'm going go from where GCBC was Triple Powerbombed into hell.

Quick thoughts before reading: Is it possible that SHIELD has day kills while other group has NK? Or would that be too crazy for a game like this? Maybe SHIELD has day kill only while all three members remain since it mentions Triple Powerbombing people, and neutral faction just has to be last one standing? I guess we really wont know until night comes anyways and we see the number of kills, etc so I'll stop speculating here until tomorrow in-game.

In post 1152, ferretlover wrote:So a 1-Shot Day-Vig I'm assuming? Dammit RoleCop gone. That sux man.

In post 1173, Fuzzyman wrote:Mourning kills is a scumtell.

Not really in my eyes. I know I always feel like crap when my group loses a power role. However, it was clearly marked as a non-town role being killed off in the post so I'm willing to lean it as a scum tell on ferret.

Why would SHIELD pick off GCBC though? I would assume one of two things:
A)If their day kill ability IS limited to only being used while united, perhaps we were on the right track with a Krab/Mutley lynch and they wanted to use their ability before they lost it.

B) For the sake of argument lets assume their ability has more than one use and they had to be united. If we weren't on the right track, there's no real reason for them to use the ability otherwise because it would just be a waste. Maybe they wanted to cause some confusion. They would know GCBC wasn't with them, and probably assumed we would just jump over to Mutley afterwards and have another mislynch. I'd bet my life they didn't know there was a neutral faction included in the game and got unlucky when they hit it.

PEDIT: @Goat, I realize this. I'm just coming off a move to a new city so things are still a little chaotic. A lot of unexpected... everything happening here right now with the new apartment.

In post 1549, Nero Cain wrote:Even though its called multiball teams aren't always the same. I think its a stretch to assume that both teams have to have a day killing role. Though in general I do think scum are scared of killing roles so they could have thought he was crumbing a vig claim and wanted it dead.

I didn't say that both Scum teams have a dayvig role. The fact that GCBC's dayvig did nothing should be evident that that's not the case.

I don't think we're understanding each other here, so I'll explain it a different way.

Pretend that you're a member of the Shield team (which may or may not be a stretch for you, but let's just assume that you aren't). You already know that your team has at least one dayvig shot because your role PM says so. Suddenly, GoodCopBadCop announces that he is day-killing Sven. Where do you think that kill is coming from? It's not coming from your group because GCBC isn't a member of the Shield team. It's not coming from Town because it would make very little sense for both your team and the Town to have a dayvig ability. Additionally, you already have good reason to believe that the game is multiball since your team (presumably) only has three people in it, which is way too low for a 21-person game. What is the logical conclusion that your team comes to?

In the span of time between GCBC's announced dayvig and his admission that it was just a reaction test, three players jumped on him for it -- Desperado, Krab, and Goat. Of those three players, two of them (Krab and Goat) immediately voted for GCBC. It's highly likely that at least one of them is Shield Scum who was under the impression that GCBC was Scum from a rival faction since he had the same ability that they did, and their first reaction was to push for his lynch.

You see where I'm coming from now?

In post 1535, The Goat wrote:You're wrong about my motivation and my alignment, but I understand your thinking.

Okay. I want to figure out your motivation, though, and I want you to help me with that.

Please humor me and explain why you voted for GCBC after his fake day-vig. You've made it clear that you didn't believe that his vig was real, but that still doesn't explain why you voted for him.

If the vig real, you would have known that either the vote count would be reset or the day would end, so moving your vote would have been pointless.

If the vig real, everyone would have known that it was bogus as soon as Nexus updated the thread and Sven didn't die -- at which point GCBC would be forced to explain the situation.

In either scenario, a Town player voting for GCBC just doesn't make sense to me. A GCBC vote at that point in time makes sense if it's coming from Shield Scum.

In post 1549, Nero Cain wrote:Mutley is ok with dying....how is that Amished? Did he say something that I missed?

This:

In post 1496, Skullduggery wrote:

In post 1446, Mutleyddmc wrote:It's hard to replace in, so I am trying to not focus too much on what happened before. Krabs did me no favours and has given too many wrong impressions.

Amished tell?

In post 1554, TheEsquire wrote:Maybe SHIELD has day kill only while all three members remain since it mentions Triple Powerbombing people, and neutral faction just has to be last one standing?

Someone (don't remember who) mentioned this earlier, and I think it makes sense. You can't "triple powerbomb" somebody with fewer than three people, right?

In post 1554, TheEsquire wrote:If their day kill ability IS limited to only being used while united, perhaps we were on the right track with a Krab/Mutley lynch and they wanted to use their ability before they lost it.

Except the Krab/Mutley wagon was stalled at the time. The Malcolm wagon was starting to pick up when GCBC was killed, which is where some of the suspicion on Malcolm is coming from. It's possible that he's Shield Scum (not Heyman Scum, Skullduggery, you fool) and the dayvig was performed to reset the vote count and shake that Malcolm wagon to pieces.

In post 1554, TheEsquire wrote:I'd bet my life they didn't know there was a neutral faction included in the game and got unlucky when they hit it.

The Shield team nailed a member of the rival Scum team. How is that unlucky for them? Hell, how is that unlucky for Yay, one less Scum player to worry about. That's a good thing. That's not what I'd call unlucky.

In post 1555, Skullduggery wrote:Please humor me and explain exactly why you voted for GCBC after his fake day-vig. You've made it clear that you didn't believe that his vig was real, but that still doesn't explain why you voted for him.

I voted him because of he suggested that someone who was clearly behaving in a pro-town manner needed to die. He basically said "I want Sven dead because he's posting too much and making it hard for people who aren't participating to catch up."

Pretty sure I responded BEFORE the mod showed up.

VOTE: Mutley

what does fegelin have to do with this game?

Ok Sven, I looked up "the Shield" and I can now see why you said what you said.

are we finally lynching scum? plz say yes.

also Kise (assuming it was you) I'm Don't think Krabs stating his irritation of his partner leaving him in the game as a scum-tell. In Poetic Justice, I voiced my irritation of having to solo the game, granted I didn't replace out, but I didn't like the fact of not being able to bounce my ideas off Messiah. You can ask your hydra partner, he was in that game though I do think many of the other things he's done is scummy like the reactions I have stated he's had several times.

In post 1557, The Goat wrote:I voted him because of he suggested that someone who was clearly behaving in a pro-town manner needed to die. He basically said "I want Sven dead because he's posting too much and making it hard for people who aren't participating to catch up."

So? You said yourself that you didn't believe him, so in your mind, Sven was never in danger. You voted for GCBC even though you were already sure that GCBC never posed a threat to Sven?

Considering the two scenarios I presented in my previous post, what was the intended result of your vote? Where did you see it going?

In post 1558, Amethyst Actor wrote:what does fegelin have to do with this game?

Fegelein is Krab Bucket.

In post 1556, Skullduggery wrote:

In post 1554, TheEsquire wrote:I'd bet my life they didn't know there was a neutral faction included in the game and got unlucky when they hit it.

The Shield team nailed a member of the rival Scum team. How is that unlucky for them? Hell, how is that unlucky for

us?

Yay, one less Scum player to worry about. That's a good thing. That's not what I'd call unlucky.

It was great for us townies! For the sake of the plan that I was describing in my head there, it was unlucky since it didn't get a immediate mislynch right after. In the overall scheme of things, it worked out better than expected for them though. I was just throwing my thoughts out there, but you bring up a good point. Especially with the killing of the Malcom wagon. Hmmm.

In post 1551, The Goat wrote:

In post 1546, Svenskt Stål wrote:VOTE: the goat

I see.

Well, I'm glad I listened to you, ignored Nero, worked on the game, and tried to be constructive.

I would have liked malcolm or Ametysth better, but the wagons are you or mutley so I have to pick between you.

looks like this game is heading towards the top 5 largest day 1's,
Received the prog, Sorry nexus, Got busy at work and this game has 20 pages to catch up. Will catch up by tonight..

In post 1504, The Goat wrote:I like that...as of this past Friday...you've actually stated cases for why people are scum, instead of just criticizing others. But I really wanted to bold the above. You know...in case I end up dead.

Why? Do you assume that as scum we would nightkill you?

The amished tell is a mixed bag since I've seen both town and scum flip for it. We're killing Goat today, end of story.

Can we not kill ferret?

no

why?

I'm the town leader.

John Cena?

ooohhh...

Then yeah, he's scum. This isn't town-Fege posts. By extension, Mutley is scum.

I'm not going to say anymore until I see his dead.

yes, I'm john Cena-compulsive lyncher. I have a new target and I must get them lynched each day or I loose. Today my target is Goat so pls help me fulfill part of my wincon.

You aren't John Cena Nero.

Well that's pretty obvious, TAM.