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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:29 am
by AngryPidgeon
In post 1546, Amrun wrote:enomis didn't interact with the wagon at all, but he's probably town.
I'd really like to talk about enomis. Because I really really really see Enomis scum right now.
But ya when you can, bullet points or quotes that make you think Enomis is town would be appreciated.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:32 am
by AngryPidgeon
In post 1548, Amrun wrote:Also, he suspected NS since very early on and called NS straight scum, whereas SD didn't really do that.
I need to look for that then. I'm still baffled that anyone could have a superhard scumread on NS given that he has meta of being a lurksack independent of alignment.
SD was barely posting for whatever that means. Im excited to hear qwints cough up some town/scum lists though.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:33 am
by Wisdom
UNVOTE:
Amrun looks more town now, and if Grim is actually scum, it's practically certain she's town.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:35 am
by AngryPidgeon
VOTE: enomis
^ This should happen. Then GG.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:37 am
by Wisdom
enomis is town
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:39 am
by AngryPidgeon
This is a bold faced lie. (Also why are you not voting qwints then?)
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:39 am
by Wisdom
I guess it will be qwints after all today
pedit: Because I want to hear from him first, like I said I would do.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:41 am
by Wisdom
Who was it that said Safety is lynchbait? Was it mollie?
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:43 am
by Wisdom
In post 1411, pirate mollie wrote:re: safety dance. I think he is lynchbait material but he has done fuckall this entire game. having said that I think amrun needs to go first. hwen she was laying into me the other night it felt scummy.
yes
I could actually see mollie-scum
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:44 am
by AngryPidgeon
In post 1558, Wisdom wrote: In post 1411, pirate mollie wrote:re: safety dance. I think he is lynchbait material but he has done fuckall this entire game. having said that I think amrun needs to go first. hwen she was laying into me the other night it felt scummy.
yes
I could actually see mollie-scum
You think shes WKing him or what?
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:50 am
by Wisdom
Either that or he's her buddy and she wanted to make us lynch Amrun instead.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:53 am
by Amrun
@AP: Here are things I've previously said about enomis that I still believe.
In post 1397, Amrun wrote:To put it simply, that post was not engineered with a survival mindset. I'm pretty sure it's just his reads, and they happen to be fencesitty. That's how he's been all game, and it's weirded me out, but re-reading, his reads have progressed in a way that makes sense, given that he is as cautious as that.
I opened our qt the way I did for a reason. I wanted to see if enomis was interested in gaining a town read from me.
At first it appeared that he was, but it's now abundantly clear that he's more interested in determining if I am scum than being town read by me. That's what town does.
P-edit: yes USUALLY. This is not the first,'or the last, time that ns has done nothing at all as scum. That's why his meta is so successful. He's very good at being unreadable.
In post 1416, Amrun wrote: In post 1414, Wisdom wrote: In post 1413, Amrun wrote:@wisdom: I think I see what the confusion is, then. I never said "always" or "never." When I said anything at all, I said "usually." In absence of usually, I assumed that would be understood because its common sense. I don't see the point of using wishy washy language when we all know there are no absolutes.
You said that enomis reads genuine because scum would not post the reads he did. That is a generalization regarding what scum would generally do/don't. You did not explain why enomis-scum would not do that in this certain situation.
Except I did. I said it even before you and I started having a conversation about it.
Enomis came in and didn't even try to push the alternatives as scum, even as a compromise. It's not suspicious to push one of these people as scum; it's very safe, since all of the popular targets are on the block right now. He's not fabricating reads because scum fabricating reads isn't likely to fabricate those reads at that precise time.
In addition, when looking over his iso in the process of compiling my reads, I found his early push on Elyse both good and genuine. Sure, none of these are like ... town slips. I just think he's town. Period.
My LEAST sure town read is probably Elyse, if you are interested.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:57 am
by Wisdom
But it's not just that. It's minor things that collectively make me think I'm not seeing town-mollie. Like how she's now claiming to doubt her Majiffy townread, despite it being so strong early on (and for silly reasons too). Like she not getting my "town signals" and still waffling on her read on me (in other games I was actually scummy as town yet she still townread me, now I'm feeling I'm being very obvtown yet she doesn't). Like how I'm getting an impression that she doesn't give many fucks about this game - and I remember her stating that she's usually lazy and doesn't care as scum.
I could actually agree with the scumteam Amrun is seeing. With Venmar or Elyse as wildcards, probably.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:58 am
by AngryPidgeon
In post 1560, Wisdom wrote:Either that or he's her buddy and she wanted to make us lynch Amrun instead.
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"She could be blatantly getting us to ML Amrun...or She could be blatantly going for towncred on the SD flip"
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:00 am
by Amrun
I've had her as weak scum since Day 1, and only near the end of the day did I decide she felt marginally better (like, maybe null). I kind of wish I'd had the time/energy/not gotten distracted and pushed her harder day 1, but alas. Now, she is my second strongest scum read after Grim.
Ironically, SD slot is the weakest, but oh well.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:01 am
by Amrun
I think the main reason I haven't really pushed pirate mollie more is that I lack "reasons" that might convince other people. So I'm pleasantly surprised to see support here.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:02 am
by AngryPidgeon
EBWODP: Ok. She told me she wasn't going to waver on it. In fact she lightly poked at me because she thought I was trying to get her to waver on that read for some reason. I wouldn't say she is doing that at all, the opposite really.
I wasnt aware anyone really suspected mollie until just now.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:03 am
by AngryPidgeon
I don't think scum-mollie goes out of her way to inform me that Im not actually confirmed town as scum. I think scum are more likely to just sheep the general sentiment that Im obvious town and not try and buttheads with me over something so dumb.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:04 am
by Wisdom
@Majiffy
I want you to think about the possibility mollie has been hard-buddying you from the beginning. Even if it sounds unlikely.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:05 am
by Amrun
Ergh, sorry for triple posting, but maybe later when I have more time, I will try to compile something on her, because I can do it if I really try but I've been so busy (v/la for so long, plus still generally busy) that I just haven't had time to do anything but react to what's in front of me.
p-edit: Yeah, I have since Day 1. I got distracted by Majiffy or I would have pushed her harder. I has a sadz.
p-edit 2: Come on, now, that has OBVIOUS scum motivation! And it's not like she was feeling pressure or the need to not butt heads with people.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:06 am
by Wisdom
In post 1567, AngryPidgeon wrote:I don't think scum-mollie goes out of her way to inform me that Im not actually confirmed town as scum. I think scum are more likely to just sheep the general sentiment that Im obvious town and not try and buttheads with me over something so dumb.
That's not a bad point, however consider the fact that this is nightless. In games with nights, scum can just go with the flow and call the obvtown obvtown, then nightkill them. Here they'll be at a loss if they townread someone too hard.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:08 am
by AngryPidgeon
To cast suspicion on me? I guess I could see it, but it is kinda a sunk ship at that point especially since she hasnt been pushing me anyways.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:10 am
by Wisdom
And if you add the fact she's already buddying Majiffy into the blend.. it becomes apparent that she cannot afford getting another strong townread like that.
I think that's why she refuses to strongly townread me like she would normally do, as well as why she's starting to "freak out" about Majiffy.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:10 am
by Amrun
Yeah, but that's why it's weird. Like, if she read you as town, what's the town motive to even do that?
p-edit: this post to AP
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:12 am
by AngryPidgeon
She explicitly told me to buzz off when she thought I was casting suspicion on him :/