Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[jon_h61]

@ Peregrine I was taking that from my notes, which stopped yesterday afternoon. But posts I agreed with, 1272-you can have good reason to doubt Talah scum, they were Town, 1275- I think Rach is scum too, 1277- good reasons for Rach scum, and I'm wondering about Shiny too. Plus the other posts dealing with Rach. I thought your question to TSO in 1280 was a good one. I agree that Talah was harsh toward your slot 1283, and I'll have to go back and see why they blew a fuse. I agree that Thor should be making a case if he has one. Not being on the biggest current wagon isn't a scum tell.

I laughed at1285. Lie detector engaged, but it's kinda wonky.

I agreed with 1289, the first read through didn't make me think Jordan was scum. Shiny's list of his scum tells of Jordan were generalities Shiny can say were his opinion, but still make Jordan sound bad.

I disagree with Thor in 1401, I've gotten a piture of where you stand on several players.

I've been skipping around, and need to read the thread in order of posts. By Day 2, if I'm still around, I should be in a better place reading players, at least have opinions on everyone.

@ Zednek How does the order Titus reads the pages in have anything to do with her alignment? This is a scummy attack!

[jon_h61]

Could you make some (more, I guess) of this into something concrete please?

Probably not, ask something in particular and I'll give my opinion, even if it's weak.

[jon_h61]

Well, having read I actually agree with Dry-Fit that Saki's vote is bad. I mean there are actually things to talk about, and Saki's ignoring everything.

Saki's play is his normal play, with him (for me) it always comes down to a coin toss. He never does much to explain his reads, and naked votes a lot from what I remember of him. He goes around calling people scum without ever explaining why, from my experience with him.

[jon_h61]

I've been reading backwards

Have you ever done this before?

Frequently. I read the ISOs of the major wagons, ask for the cases (to determine social groupings) and fill in the rest as needed.

That sounds pretty normal for replacing into a game. I don't like this push by Zed.

@ Zed What's scummy about this? Is there only one way for Town to read the thread?

[T S O]

Where is TMCT? Where's Fear? Where's Pere?

Pere seems to be a townread to a lot of people, which I don't get. Someone walk me through that.

Why are you doing that? Why are you moving your vote from useless to even more useless? What do you think it achieves? Do you think that any far corner of the universe, you will raise a wagon by bringing someone to L-11 with no fucking reasoning?

We have 4 days, Rach. It's not about pressure anymore. I'd love you to vote Xayzeck, yes, but you know what I'd love more? A lynch on day 1. And your vote hinders that.

See, this post bothers me. So insanely many questions. Four days left and he's this anxious. Come on, man, if you want a wagon to succeed you shouldn't be badgering town into joining the wagon. Make a good enough case and people will be able to see it and be convinced to join you.

I made a case.

Regardless of how good or bad it is, a lot of people simply didn't read it. So I have to act like a schoolteacher and badger them into doing the most basic of tasks.

Pere wagon doesn't really appeal.

@TSO- While I appreciate your non-participation in a crapwagon, 982 seems to say you don't have me as a townread, yet 1055 says my wagon doesn't appeal. Can you elaborate, since normally one does not lead to another?

Not townreading you, not scumreading you either. I don't vote nullreads, I don't townread nullreads.

[Dry-fit]

Okay, I'll stop being coy. The line after my name of my role the last word is pluriazed, which makes it very, very likely multiball.

Looks like boiler-plate text to me.

Dry-fit, do you disagree?

I don't know what boilerplate text is to be honest.

Can we stop pretending anyone other than me is getting lynched today and get on with it?

[PeregrineV]

Step 1: read role PM.
Thought 1: Wonderful a multiball game. Kill me now.

Thought 1: Why would anyone think it's multiball?

Vote: Malakittens

This is pathetic. Voting someone solely for a deduction.

You knew this was a deduction before she clarified?

[The Necromancers]

titus is a chronic white-knight, peregrine

[Jordan_Downey]

1552 by Jon there is weird to me. I think he needed to add the "in my experience" qualifier a few more times.

[jon_h61]

1552 by Jon there is weird to me. I think he needed to add the "in my experience" qualifier a few more times.

Have you played with Saki? I have. He makes short posts, lurks, seemingly randomly votes, and sometimes just plain trolls. All as Town. I meta'd him and that was what he did in the games I looked at too. I haven't read any recent games with him in it, but this looks typical Saki to me.

He acts the same way, no matter his alignment.

[PeregrineV]

You: Pere, I don't understand ______________. It seems to me _________________.
Me: Ah. Let me tell you why....

Pere, I don't understand why, after reading up on the game, your vote remained unmoved...and then, after this point, went to Mala off derp reaction test (at best), then snaked around to Titus, and then to a last minute (and exceedingly weak) jon wagon attempt with a promise to help with a hammer, so your vote, basically, is flopping around like a carp with you wanting to have me discuss your thoughts while your vote isn't manful enough to stand still and be examined for half a second which means none of your thoughts are either. It seems to me that you are either scum or a wuss.

Please fill in your blank now?

TCMT was an RVS vote. Reading the game, I didn't like the wagon on Necro, and felt TCMT's play was not town, nor town enough, nor were the other proposed wagons worse than TCMT. So I stayed there.
Later, when I re-read, I thought I'd re-vote. By then, the choices being Aegor, Xay, and Jordan, I reviewed what I had thought before, and then ISOed them again. None of them seemed remotely interesting as scum for day1.
Then, Mala replaces in and says something like "It sucks I drew

RED MAFIA GOON

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And I'm like, yes, that sucks, we should lynch you out of our misery, you goon.
She's like "it says factions."
I'm like boilerplate. But, let's see what else she has.
meanwhile, unexciting Dry-Fit wagon appears.
Boring.
Talah is gone. What has Jon done? 2posts. Pressure that now!!
But I don't really care that much, vague jon recollections=he doesn't suck.
Necro: vote Titus (who uesed to be Fear).
Iso Fear (again, because I was already waiting for the emogirl explosion of posting). Still sucks.
Vote Fear (Titus) because (better chance of hitting scum than very ordinary Dry-fit, irreverant Aegor, claimed Jordan)
Hope this helps you with deeper insight into my day1 mafia game brain processes.

I hope this continues, because when I flip that later and say "Thor, why is you voting __________?" And you'll say "Beard. And __________________".

[T S O]

Why the hell would Mala look at her role PM, know it's multiball and lock herself into a claim which has this knowledge by immediately telling Town ...?

[PeregrineV]

Why the hell would Mala look at her role PM, know it's multiball and lock herself into a claim which has this knowledge by immediately telling Town ...?

She could have looked at her PM, thought we'd already discussed it in thread, and brought it up trying to be casual-looking-town. Or it could be a slip. Or something, who knows?

What claim has she locked herself into?

[T S O]

An information-based claim, where she now has to elaborately form a claim which both has the required knowledge and isn't in the game.

[T S O]

I think we can both agree the possibilities you bring up, while possible, are quite unlikely.

[Titus]

Okay, I'll stop being coy. The line after my name of my role the last word is pluriazed, which makes it very, very likely multiball.

Looks like boiler-plate text to me.

Dry-fit, do you disagree?

I don't know what boilerplate text is to be honest.

Can we stop pretending anyone other than me is getting lynched today and get on with it?

I am townreading you so yeah not voting you suck it up and deal with it.

@Pere/Necro, The first thing multiball scum do in a multiball game is be quiet about it. Mala, if scum, has terrible odds of just freely giving out information. I also notice your tunnel Necro.

[jon_h61]

@ Jordan After reading the post again, yeah I did go overboard saying it was from my experience.

Doesn't make it less true, though.

All DF's first few posts dealt with Saki's naked vote.

Dry-fit Town reads Knife and Necro, and kind of scum reads Aegor 740

@ DF Why is not giving reasons, a reason to Town read anyone? If I can't see why someone wants me to vote with them, I probably won't sheep them.

Then he Town reads TD and continues scum reading Aegor. He asks MS about his read on my slot.

He explains to Starflower why he asked MS his question. (I could see it as scum trying to encourage a mislynch) It looks like something he could use against Starflower in the future, too

783 He asks his scum read why he scum read him.

864 Sounds innocent enough, but I could see scum asking this in a similar way.

943 He reiterates that he likes Necro's reads. Calls Aegor (his scum read) a good compromise lynch. As to his question, I haven't scum read Aegor yet. Asks Rach about her meaningless vote. I think it's because she's scum.

In 956 he says that he panicked, thinking Day end was closer. And that's why he was talking about a compromise vote. This actually sounds plausible.


I'll stop here, but overall I think he has the best chance of being scum, out of the wagons ran up Today.

[MafiaSSK]

Oh hey. Aegor's something again.

VOTE: Aegor

Yay, deadline random wagons!

[Thor665]

Thor, I think you misunderstand. I want to hold ppl accountable for their votes rather than lols deadline.

Hold them accountable for lols deadline then - I always do. I'm accountable for all of my pushes today, even if my push logic is 'let's lynch somebody, yar!' because if the person flips town then I expect to be looked at, and if they flip scum...well, with the way I'm voting I expect to get town cred, but at least that can be looked at too. And if my vote reasoning can be assessed (and it can) anyone's vote reasoning can be.

@Pere - what didn't you like about Fear.

I agree with Titus as regards Pere's (and Necro's?) push on Mala for the 'factions role PM' thing.

I am fine with the Dry-fit wagon if his solution is to basically complain that he's being wagoned - looks like there's a reason you're lynchbait.
I am fine with the Jon wagon as long as it gets bigger quicker.
I am not fine with being so fine with so many wagons - usually I hand out town reads like candy to try to spook scum. I am not in that situation right now even to try to play up town reads. I have like three. It's not a happy place. Let's kill someone and regret it later.

[Xayzeck]

Why in God's name are Xayzek and TSO arguing about Jordan being clear.
This just looks like BS started by Xayzek.

oh god

this is like tso 2.0

[TiphaineDeath]

Are we going to get another deadline extension for more replacements or are we actually under time trouble?

[Xayzeck]

Why in God's name are Xayzek and TSO arguing about Jordan being clear.
This just looks like BS started by Xayzek.

We are under time trouble.

[T S O]

Thor, I think you misunderstand. I want to hold ppl accountable for their votes rather than lols deadline.

Hold them accountable for lols deadline then - I always do. I'm accountable for all of my pushes today, even if my push logic is 'let's lynch somebody, yar!' because if the person flips town then I expect to be looked at, and if they flip scum...well, with the way I'm voting I expect to get town cred, but at least that can be looked at too. And if my vote reasoning can be assessed (and it can) anyone's vote reasoning can be.

@Pere - what didn't you like about Fear.

I agree with Titus as regards Pere's (and Necro's?) push on Mala for the 'factions role PM' thing.

I am fine with the Dry-fit wagon if his solution is to basically complain that he's being wagoned - looks like there's a reason you're lynchbait.
I am fine with the Jon wagon as long as it gets bigger quicker.
I am not fine with being so fine with so many wagons - usually I hand out town reads like candy to try to spook scum. I am not in that situation right now even to try to play up town reads. I have like three. It's not a happy place. Let's kill someone and regret it later.

uh who exactly -are- you townreading? it's kinda hard to make out in the storm of wagons you support.

[T S O]

Why in God's name are Xayzek and TSO arguing about Jordan being clear.
This just looks like BS started by Xayzek.

oh god

this is like tso 2.0

vig him Zdenek.

[Xayzeck]

I would guess 2-3 scum are doing the same.

Naming and not suggesting is usually a good idea

Well, who exactly are you referring to here?

Although yes, I would like to know who Thor is townreading as well