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In post 1547, MagnaofIllusion wrote:

In post 1545, Fox McCloud wrote:..did she say anything about the wagons making waco (or anyone else) more/less likely to be scum...?

no, she didn't. she essentially said "everyone stop being bitches and unvoting waco"

If you want to play the semantics game again great but don't pretend your partner didn't just invoke "why are we forming counter-wagons to this scum read of mine" when you claimed that me doing the same (complaining about a forming counter-wagon to my scum read Campt) was invalid.

It's at best disingenuous.

are you naturally this pedantic or do you have to work at it?

In post 1550, Fox McCloud wrote:are you naturally this pedantic or do you have to work at it?

I'm sorry that examining your slot's play you find "pedantic". The fact remains that I find Cognitive Dissonance to be a sign of scum motivated play. Always have. And despite you being a hydra the fact that your partner is happy to use the exact same style of argument to push a wagon that you dismissed when someone else used it to push a wagon doesn't sit well with me.

In post 1551, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I'm sorry that examining your slot's play you find "pedantic".

nuance is inexplicably lost on you

like if you truly want snarky lynched today over waco, i, as someone who suspects both of them, am more than likely one of the votes you're going to need to accomplish that... so i'm surprised your reaction to me asking to be convinced is to tell me why i suck.

In post 1552, Fox McCloud wrote:nuance is inexplicably lost on you

Nah.

In post 1543, Cephrir wrote:

In post 1538, farside22 wrote:

In post 1532, Cephrir wrote:

In post 1526, farside22 wrote:

In post 1520, Cephrir wrote:

In post 1453, farside22 wrote:

In post 1419, BROseidon wrote:

In post 1345, farside22 wrote:Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=824
Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

Okay the cherry picking player above is scum too.

cherry picking???

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
And
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8249999

i don't get it

can you explain it with more words

Pick post without reading the game to create a scum read.
What about that do you not get.

i don't get how your posts demonstrate he's done that

quoting 7 posts and saying these are dumb does not help me

I said more then that.


Moi: would you humor me and just tell me if what I said about bro makes sense or not.

In post 1554, MagnaofIllusion wrote:

In post 1552, Fox McCloud wrote:nuance is inexplicably lost on you

Nah.

nah...?

nah nah

for example, if you look at the ppl NOT kneejerk scumreading camn (me, ceph, nacho, bro) you'll maybe gather ppl who've played w them before (and have a better baseline for reading them). a perceptive player may think "maybe my framework for reading them is wrong."

but you keep plunking along pushing this myopic "how is this helping town?"

I'm very much more for a camn lynch than a Waco. However, I'm not entirely for an imperium lynch. Not enough information to make a decision on that yet.

d1 imperium lynch isn't happening

When i read through imps post i didn't get a "they're town" feeling and this Waco lynch they're strongarming feels blech.

I dunno if I'm the only one with these feelings but yeah don't dig it.

Diamond is also not as towny anymore in fact I've Rollercoaster'd on him a bit. Been on off town/scum about him. Right now he's moving a bit closer to the scum pile but probably not someone I'd lynch today.

In post 1560, Transcend wrote:I dunno if I'm the only one with these feelings but yeah don't dig it.

Diamond is also not as towny anymore in fact I've Rollercoaster'd on him a bit. Been on off town/scum about him. Right now he's moving a bit closer to the scum pile but probably not someone I'd lynch today.

Yeah well get used to that. You won't get a solid read on me until D3 at least (usually D4). But you'll see that I might as well be modconfirmed with how townie I get.

In post 1555, farside22 wrote:

In post 1543, Cephrir wrote:

In post 1538, farside22 wrote:

In post 1532, Cephrir wrote:

In post 1526, farside22 wrote:

In post 1520, Cephrir wrote:

In post 1453, farside22 wrote:

In post 1419, BROseidon wrote:

In post 1345, farside22 wrote:Can you explain this read to me because the points he made on Grib where based on 2 post out of a massive amount that has gone on.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=824
Also I'll wait 2-3 days for everyone to realize this is scum before pushing it.

Okay the cherry picking player above is scum too.

cherry picking???

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8249987
And
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8249999

i don't get it

can you explain it with more words

Pick post without reading the game to create a scum read.
What about that do you not get.

i don't get how your posts demonstrate he's done that

quoting 7 posts and saying these are dumb does not help me

I said more then that.


Moi: would you humor me and just tell me if what I said about bro makes sense or not.

look you can either make a good faith effort to help me understand or you can be an ass about it and call me stupid.

In post 1555, farside22 wrote:Moi: would you humor me and just tell me if what I said about bro makes sense or not.

I’ll look through your case and give you some feedback in a bit.

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In post 1549, Cephrir wrote:at least when i disagree with someone you can usually tell why i disagree with them -- you're handwaving imperium's push and i don't understand what your reasoning is for doing so

Is this the part where I say “I have a gut read that Waco isn’t scum that I can’t fully explain”?

Yes that’s a little snarky. But I think it is in line with the tone of the thread, especially a large number of posts I’ve had to deal with.

My problem with Imperium’s Waco case is basically Imperium – I’m having a hard time getting a Town read on Nacho’s posting and thought process. I could go through his case right now and lay out why I don’t see the points he made as compelling but I’m just going to say that I didn’t buy into it when I first read it and leave it at that. After all giving 100% of my thoughts to the thread isn’t an exercise I’m going to engage in when there are many other examples of players keeping their reasoning “close to the vest”. The Waco push looks very much to me like a “designated fall guy” push from Imperium not an honest scum-hunting effort.

Can I be wrong. Sure, maybe. I’m guessing we will know very soon.

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In post 1556, Fox McCloud wrote:for example, if you look at the ppl NOT kneejerk scumreading camn (me, ceph, nacho, bro) you'll maybe gather ppl who've played w them before (and have a better baseline for reading them). a perceptive player may think "maybe my framework for reading them is wrong."

but you keep plunking along pushing this myopic "how is this helping town?"

If you want to portray my suspicion of Camnt as “knee jerk” then we definitely don’t have much common ground to discuss. The read is hardly “knee jerk”.

Have you ever been fooled by Camt or the individual heads? This is basically the same questions that Cheet asked me regarding my Snarky read.

Imperium seems helpful though. But I don't suspect him, yet.

helpful!=town


I'm not saying Imperium is scum. I'm just saying your reasoning is flawed.

In post 1565, DiamondSentinel wrote:helpful!=town


I'm not saying Imperium is scum. I'm just saying your reasoning is flawed.

!= means isn't right? Or just like that.

I'll read back again.

I've played with camnt the hydra several times and i usually think they're scum and they haven't been scum yet

you will have to excuse me being a little hesitant to lynch them for things that are antitown and not necessarily demonstrative of scum motivation. and half of the hydra is consistently antitown and doesn't seem to have changed that here -- i assure you, i would be all about lynching them if i thought they had an even marginally better than random chance of being scum

as it stands they are if anything less useless than certain other players in this game, surprisingly

That statement says in regular english

Helpful doesn't equate being town.

Just because someone is helpful doesn't mean they are town. It's a post hoc ergo prompter hoc falacy (well, correlation doesn't imply causation, but they are close enough and p.h.e.p.h. sounds cooler)

PEdit: Keeping someone around solely because they are useful isn't necessarily a good thing...

But that reaction to the fake vig was 100% a scum reaction. "Thank god this is over so I can leave" is a scum reaction.

(that was them, right? I remember there was a fakevig and I remember the reaction, but I couldn't remember if it was at them or at someone else)

VOTE: Snarky

After I do the look-up I promised to Farside I'm probably going to take my leave of the thread for awhile. Too much crap behavior being excused and incentivized for my liking.

In post 1569, DiamondSentinel wrote:(that was them, right? I remember there was a fakevig and I remember the reaction, but I couldn't remember if it was at them or at someone else)

Yes, it was Camnt.

Daily reminder that MOI should go drown himself.

Camntsuki, you're coming dangerously close to GrayICE UNI MUM levels of toxicity...

In post 1571, camntsuki wrote:Daily reminder that MOI should go drown himself.

In post 1568, DiamondSentinel wrote:That statement says in regular english

Helpful doesn't equate being town.

Just because someone is helpful doesn't mean they are town. It's a post hoc ergo prompter hoc falacy (well, correlation doesn't imply causation, but they are close enough and p.h.e.p.h. sounds cooler)

I didn't actually say they're town. Did I say "OMG THEY ARE TOWN WE SHOULDN'T LYNCH THEM" etc etc etc. I did say he's helpful and I don't suspect him, yet. Don't suspect me when I clearly say things. This just makes you more suspicious.