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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:49 am
by Titus
Yup, mason fishing.

Your attitude is pretty transparent.

It's not up to you to get a CC, someone vouches for you.
If no one vouches, we lynch you.
If someone vouches, then we check CCs.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:55 am
by Secret Agent Jin
Why would someone vouch for me? That would be outing the other Mason which would be dumb since mafia would then know who is the other Mason. If you lynch me then i flip Mason and you are guaranteed to be lynched tomorrow. If you are VT then that would be bad for you to lynch me since you would be one person closer to losing. On top of that, im dead tonight because mafia wants to kill the masons.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:18 am
by Titus
If you are a real mason, someone would vouch for you. That's the point of masons.

If you're scum, no one will vouch for you. That would create an impossible setup for scum (needing two mislynches with only one open).

Yet, you are likely scum.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:19 am
by Titus
Given you already claimed VT and now when I cannot unvote, you suddenly claim mason...not how it works.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:32 am
by BK201
In post 1517, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I think Titus only having one post is a bit suspicious and they arent really contributing either plus they did replace for Burgerking which i had a scumread on. They are probably a great place to start. I will look into some others more and get back to you soon.
Did you look into others yet? What do you think of Titus now that she has more posts? If you really are a mason, why claim VT at L-1?

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:40 am
by Creature
Someone will have to counterclaim mason if you want me to lynch SAJ.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:41 am
by Titus
Well, that's 3 players we know are not lying to save you SAJ.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:41 am
by Secret Agent Jin
In post 1554, BK201 wrote:
In post 1517, Secret Agent Jin wrote:I think Titus only having one post is a bit suspicious and they arent really contributing either plus they did replace for Burgerking which i had a scumread on. They are probably a great place to start. I will look into some others more and get back to you soon.
Did you look into others yet? What do you think of Titus now that she has more posts? If you really are a mason, why claim VT at L-1?
I claimed VT to hopefully shed someone's vote without letting scum know i am Mason but i feared a hammer so when i didnt shed votes i fully claimed. I think Titus is scum that is trying to get a mason lynched but its possible that she is VT that really thinks i am scum. I have some quotes to prove i am mason but it would out my partner and i rather not do that. I also think that two of the three on my wagon are scum with one being a misled VT. Do me a favor BK, if i get hammered, ISO the three on my wagon and fight for the ones you think are scum.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:42 am
by Titus
In post 1555, Creature wrote:Someone will have to counterclaim mason if you want me to lynch SAJ.
Please do not tell me I had the buddy wrong.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:43 am
by Creature
It's way better to sacrifice one mason to get scum lynched than outing the entire masonry to confirm one mason.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:45 am
by Titus
Wrong. No town dies if he is town.

If he's scum, a mason outs themselves and it's not too long to find the other mason. That's why I approached the game like I did.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:46 am
by Creature
So far no counterclaims.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:47 am
by Titus
This is a pretty blatant masonfish imo.

I'm a VT.
I'm a mason.
LaL until proven otherwise.
Not to mention his scummy play.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:48 am
by Titus
In post 1561, Creature wrote:So far no counterclaims.
I am not a mason, but I wouldn't counterclaim here if I was one.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:48 am
by Creature
What's better? One mason out with a regular chance of scum finding the other mason or two masons out?

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:48 am
by Titus
My plan is better for town as no mason has to out themselves unless we are way off track and need the assust.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:49 am
by Creature
Your plan is good if SAJ is scum, but not if SAJ is town.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:50 am
by Titus
In post 1564, Creature wrote:What's better? One mason out with a regular chance of scum finding the other mason or two masons out?
Two masons. (Supposing I am wrong)

Lynches become nigh on impossible for scum.
The masons have wills and night chat.

I am not wrong.

We force SAJ's scumbuddy to fry SAJ if scum.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:51 am
by Creature
My plan:

SAJ telling the truth: Only one mason out, no counterclaims.
SAJ lying: Scum dead and only one mason out.

Your plan:

SAJ telling the truth: Both masons out.
SAJ lying: Scum dead.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:55 am
by Titus
Add night kills

Creature/SAJ plan

SAJ town) SAJ dead. No information.
SAJ scum) Mason dead (whoever CCs). No info.

Titus plan
SAJ town) Mason dead, conftown present; lynches insane on scum.
SAJ scum) Dead scum, masons hidden.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:56 am
by Creature
Also, another downfall of your plan is that, if SAJ is lying, even if no mason outed scum might still kill one of them.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:56 am
by Titus
Oh and if SAJ is town, they get the entire nightphase to share reads.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:57 am
by Titus
In post 1570, Creature wrote:Also, another downfall of your plan is that, if SAJ is lying, even if no mason outed scum might still kill one of them.
That downfall exists in any setup.

It's much less likely though if we do not help them by giving a CC.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:00 am
by Creature
Okay then, give me time to think.

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:03 am
by Creature
What if we try to lynch the other scum?