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In post 1542, Kokichi Oma wrote:Who do you think is scum in group 2

here's my current working theory:

wisdom is scum
he swapped REAL MAN into his group after pretending he was considering dram though he was never really considering it - REAL MAN, a guy who nobody but him thought looked town enough to warrant that - REAL MAN, despite multiple people suggesting alternatives that didn't involve his selfish lynch
i think it's unlikely you're scum with him; i think ever since he saw your claim, he's been trying to come up with a good way to make sure G2 isn't lynched

it saddens me deeply that it seems to be working and most people seem to be ignoring what he's doing

this is why i want group 2 lynched; even if i'm wrong, the ABSOLUTE worst case scenario is that we have riku confirmed as scum

the worst case scenario if we don't lynch group 2 though is town losing because there's enough confusion about who's actually scum in group 2 that he can get away with (if, for example, pine is town, that's his pocket mislynch tomorrow)

In post 1545, BuJaber wrote:Muffin you need to swap quickly because deadline before lynch occurs is auto scum win

we have 3 days and my switch adds time to the deadline if we go below 48 hours; the deadline is not an issue

Fine then guys let's vote G3 so muffin swaps and then the real vote begins.

VOTE: G3

I said it from the beginning realmen was my choice
But sure keep acting like it was sudden

I honestly think I wouldn't have joined if I knew there were PRs.
I thought this would be all about WIFOM logic of grouping.

no, you were acting like you'd swap dramonic even though i'm pretty sure you were never really considering it

please don't pretend you weren't; i really do not feel like grabbing all the quotes from your ISO

Bu said he didnt want dramonic to be saved
And honestly, I dont want him to be saved either when he continues being toxic to me
So good luck obscuring the town motivation in my choice

oh please do
i said a lot of times id swap realmen

no, the point was i think you were never actually considering it. you swapped real man out to save him and push the G3 lynch

Wisdom if my brain is not making up memories you claimes before koki yes?

the only time i considered dram was when i saw dv townreading him, when you kept inexplicably townreading him, and when i felt paranoid about realmen

In post 998, Wisdom wrote:Swapping Pine for dram as it is. Probably in a few hours.

In post 1001, Wisdom wrote:Bu and whoever else scumreads dram: No matter how stupid I think he's being here with sticking to the probabilities and such I think he is being genuine here. Cakez is waffly and I think has decent chances of being scum. Realmen agreeing with me makes me think he could be scum buddying me. muffin is going to use his swap. So I think dram's the best choice here.

In post 1057, Wisdom wrote:I believe everyone has spoken

Swap Riku and REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

VOTE: group 3

In post 1559, BuJaber wrote:Wisdom if my brain is not making up memories you claimes before koki yes?

no, after kokichi

yeah muffin, between 1001 and 1057 people spoke

you didn't though, and in 1001 you literally said you didn't care about the scum reads

besides SINCE WHEN DID YOU CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS?

@Wisdom - Oh okay sorry then. I thought I could prove your towniness to them but looks like they have to rely on their reading ability.

if i didnt care i wouldnt have waited for people to speak, i would have swapped who i wanted instantly

i listened to my townreads and tried to do what's best for most. bu didnt want dram to be saved, nsg prefered riku to be swapped

Relevant posts

In post 1040, northsidegal wrote:Maybe riku over pine? (After rechecking bujaber townread / meta)

Haven't played against scum pine yet but I've scumread him as town before for weird behaviour. Still not confident riku is scum and not just scummy town, though.

In post 1049, Kokichi Oma wrote:I'm not dealing with dram. He dies today. Regardless he will tunnel me and I dont have time for bad votes. Using what possibly might be our only 2 swaps day 1 is stupid

In post 1055, BuJaber wrote:

In post 1001, Wisdom wrote:Bu and whoever else scumreads dram: No matter how stupid I think he's being here with sticking to the probabilities and such I think he is being genuine here. Cakez is waffly and I think has decent chances of being scum. Realmen agreeing with me makes me think he could be scum buddying me. muffin is going to use his swap. So I think dram's the best choice here.

Dram and muffin kept saying they wanted to lynch group 2 as is to "guarantee 1 scum dead". When I suggested seaps that guarantee 1 scum dead plus a possible 2nd or 3rd they ignored it.
They're not being genuine. They're trying to nuke this game by appealing to emotion to get townread or frustrating the motivation to play out of the players. Exhausted / emotional town make bad decisions.

In post 1035, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE wrote:

In post 1032, northsidegal wrote:Wis before you swap I'd recheck the bujaber townread. That'd be how this turns disastrous.

its ok i really think bujaber is town here

he's always more of an asshole when town

Do you know me? Who are you?



@fitz - I think you read the old version of my proposal(s). I'd like to hear your thoughts on the recent ones.
Though to me I can compromise on anything else as long as:
1. Muffin and wisdom announce their swaps before they do them.
2. Muffin swaps first.
3. Pine and riku are both lynched.

And dramon lynch would be a bonus that I think would give us an additional scum lynch.

Anything else I am flexible about.

So talk to me again about how I didnt listen to my townreads

were you town-reading DV and eddie?

dv yes, eddie no

if you were listening to your town reads, you wouldn't have posted 1001 anyway

i think you never really wanted to swap in dram BUT regardless, this doesn't matter, since i can't prove it, even if i don't believe for a second that you decided between 1001 and when you swapped that you had a change of heart

all i was doing was mentioning the theory i have about why you swapped REAL MAN who no one but you was town-reading and why it makes sense from the perspective you're scum to make it LOOK like you were considering dram when you really weren't

none of this matters if you're town

none of this matters if REAL MAN is town

i'm not using it as a reason to call you scum; kokichi just asked for my thoughts on it and i gave them

In post 1559, BuJaber wrote:Wisdom if my brain is not making up memories you claimes before koki yes?

I thought Koki claimed first.

1001 was telling my townreads that i want dram to be saved and that while I respect their opinion, that's who I want to save

i was feeling paranoid about realmen at that point

Wasn't RMOJ townread by everyone except me?

I seem to recall several people telling me he's town and not to read into the gimmick.