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[nomnomnom]

Why are people town reading psyche?? Considering what he has done (and also what he has not done). I also don't think vork is a good lynch...I'm willing to consolidate onto any of my scum reads and probably null reads, but I'd need to hear something compelling for the latter.

I don't think it's a matter of townreading him, rather that I think the large town collective does not scumread the guy, he's null at most. Pushing for a new wagon like this out of nowhere with less than 4 days on the clock, even if you end up being right in the long run, is destructive in our current state. It's better to choose to go for the lynch that has the best chance of containing scum. And if that doesn't happen, at least you make a slot with a lot of associative flips, given that the Chennis, DP and your slot have had a lot of interaction with them. It works in favor of town to work towards a lynch in this pool. I've come to learn recently that it's better to build a solid town together rather than go at each other throats for reads and such. A solid town can notice the outliers by the end of the game, but a disorganized one can't.

I think Chennis is the best lynch here for that reason. I have some reasons to think DP can be lying through his teeth and that his irrational votes is part of his scumgame, but compared to a slot that tried to make us believe that he thought he was hammered with 3 votes on him, and that him saying he is town because he thinks he lost is alignment indicative, and that he is aware of it?

Yeah, no. Objectively speaking we cannot let Chennis go away with this. Redemption is a similar slot that actually has some town representation however insane he may sound (and huh... the whole sexually inappropriate stuff... urgh...). This insanity here is not town. It can legit be scum motivated. I have more faith in a chennis lynch than you both. And the slots pushing you on the basis of DP's reasoning while avoiding chennis slot makes me think that something is up. Chennis is where the scum watchtower begins to fall.

[Performer]

I'm fine with a chenn lynch but it also feels too much like a free lunch, yknow? I need more...tension.

i'd be open i guess

my gut now says chenn is genuine and town
but it's just a gut

luv/psyche/nm/mary/pp/red

Some combination of these makes the most sense to me . Also if dp/chen make it far this game without dying, that'll be suspicious.

ub is way too convenient a scum claim but after more interactions with dp, I got too hesitant about him...I admit that part of it is because of his debate with me coming from his standpoint of being on the same nrg team as me...

[Not_Mafia]

nm - his continued willingess to put dp as scum along with his bare reads list, make me ambivalent. More null than anything at the moment. On one hand he did put a show of faith by bringing up a reads list, which is a lot more than I've seen in any game I've been with nm in iirc. If there's a tier just for nm, he's in it right now


pp - the 1st alarm bell for me was his naked vote of me on pg 48 after chen's repost of my 2 vc counts there. Also, his continued revoting of dp has been somewhat fishy. His point about if a ub flips and is really a town ub, being a better risk than another pr being outed...I think that's slightly town indicative (pr protection) though I don't think I've ever heard of this type of thinking before. More null to me though than anything because that naked vote was an alarm bell. Null

luv - Though I like his pg 48 wall post, his reads list on pg 47 was really, really odd and bare - with him town reading red, vork, pp (probably pocketing pp since the 2 of them are familiar with each other?). Immediately after that post he agreed quickly with pp's proposal to lynch chen. pg 47 read to me like a psyche+luv possible scum team, which makes sense to me seeing as there has been disunity in who to lynch. Looking at 47, luv was fine with a chen lynch while psyche said he needed more "tension" and later was open to flash wagoning nm. dichotomy from luv & psyche, who've been hard to read, is a classic scum tell from my experience


psyche - he brough up a # of helpful platitudes but...I don't remember the last time he even voted. Also his ISO has a pattern of going along with consensus vote such as "i'd be open (to an nm flash wagon)" and he even said he was starting to come around to seeing chen as scum iirc. More often than not, a player like this is not town

mary - this slot has been making me town read and scum read it all over the place. For example on pg 49, does scum make a post like 1208? However, the slot fell apart once again to a scum read once she kept up the interaction about Sacramento, said she distrusted my setup speculation yet couldn't have a valid reason as to why, the rest of her iso has been sporadic, and I got the feeling she was role fishing on pg 46. I disagree with chen's analysis about mary being town according to what I've seen this game. Like what was chen basing his town read on mary on, even??

VOTE: psyche

chen - pg 48 sounds like it comes from town. My doubt of chen being scum began when he brought up a great point about if he was scum, then he would've been fine with dp the lead wagon, being lynched. yet when he replaced in, he defended pika hardcore - which I think wouldn't be a great idea if he & pika were scum. a small part of me keeps wondering if chen+pika scum team makes sense but with what's been posted from the 2 along with that ub claim, I'm not stubborn and willing to forego my skepticism this phase about those 2

dp - his game solving improved considerably since his time of lurk earlier this phase, and his talk with me regarding his role & setup speculation, sounded like it came from frustrated town

nom - just came from a game where we were both town and worked closely together despite some disagreements at points. Her points made on page 61 are also awesome. I'm seeing nom as town

vork - his vote on me was sudden but the rest of his ISO still doesn't make me think it's got a scum agenda, so thinking he's town. His 1520 is a great analysis from him and I think that's town indicative, especially as I was one of the reviewers for that game where Morality (who has a strong scum reputation) was against town Vorkuta. I think his paranoia about a scum perf is coming from town, and I'll be honest - many of the things I say can be from any alignment but again, I'm town

schadd - still a town read partly because of 861, partly because of poe and meta when we were town in a micro game with rc (who got mad at us). his vote and later, a revote of dp - has me wondering though...but this is probably better for a later phase to bite into

lucky - on pgs 48-49, brought up again that he thought I was pocketing him, which is getting fishy because it started sounded like an excuse. I like the logic from those pgs & I don't trust redemp either but I wouldn't put redemp into a d2 sort/solve. Town lucky from a game we had in the past, tries to get the best lynch possible and he's been rallying us for a better lynch in his strong game solving posts. If I didn't say this before, I'll say this now - lucky should be protective target #1.

pedit: also I just realized I forgot I was missing redemp from the reads lists, and I don't have him as town. Thinking he's more null than anything else

TL;DR

[Psyche]

btw its insane and sad how low yall's standards are for n_m

[Psyche]

performer you're misrepresenting me by selectively quoting my comments on chenn so as make them seem unsubstantial

[Psyche]

in general your idea that i don't extensively talk about reported my reads paired w the overall shallowness of your read explanation has given me the sense that you've given my iso surprisingly little analysis given where your vote is laying

[Performer]

in general your idea that i don't extensively talk about reported my reads paired w the overall shallowness of your read explanation has given me the sense that you've given my iso surprisingly little analysis given where your vote is laying

those were just a few parts
ok let's say we just go with your iso.

from a glance , you have nm scum? yet you said our standards of him are... "low" ?....
why is your read on chen being town?

[Performer]

@nom I'm trying to wrap my head around chen being scum as you're saying it's likely that he is. because I'd imagine scum would come into the gamestate where dp was lead wagon, and chen could easily just sit on the wagon , right? Whereas I'd expect town likely comes in, and it's likelier they say "wait a minute I don't think this is scum"....which was what happened from chen.

There IS a possibility where both of them are scum however, and the fact that dp (if I am right about his main & he has a ton of setup knowledge too) is a brilliant fm player capable of faking a ub claim....I'm trying to reconsider this, if we don't get a psyche lynch.
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@nm you WOULD say tldr

[Psyche]

exactly, quick skim

[MaryJoLisa]

Oh yeah, and speaking of NM's "reads list," is CDB's avatar by any chance a picture of Bon Jovi? I don't think so, but they both have roughy a similar face shape(?), both with a cleft chin, but their eyebrows are different.

Or did we figure out who Bon Jovi is?

[nomnomnom]

I'll be honest. I could settle for a NM lynch here. But I have odd reasons for it, and the back of my mind tells me straying away from Chenn and DP is a bad idea.

[Performer]

It also seems to me like if UB was such an extraordinarily rare and powerful role, Detective Pikachu would not fake that as scum. Wouldn’t scum!DP choose something more likely? Pikachu claims to be a part of the setup review group, so I think he'd be capable of selecting a more believable role if he was faking it.

Performer is not a particularly active player and sometimes I find that scum put in minimal effort and just let town run themselves around in circles so we kill each other. Performer specifically went AWOL when I started calling out his reasoning for voting for Detective Pikachu. To me, that reinforces my belief that Performer is scum who is trying to take out a town PR. If Performer flips green, then that’s another story.

It's not a rare role but it's a brilliant claim if it's a fake claim from scum dp. that's because it's a harder role to confirm than say, vigilante or mason. why would you think scum dp would select a better role???

Me not being active is nai though you're right that scum typically puts in minimal effort. i never went awol when you called out my reasoning...point me to what questions you still have for me please.

[MaryJoLisa]

All this talk about how everyone else has so much more knowledge of the setup makes me feel very out of my element.

[Not_Mafia]

Oh my god just lynch Danny Devito

[Performer]

I'll be honest. I could settle for a NM lynch here. But I have odd reasons for it, and the back of my mind tells me straying away from Chenn and DP is a bad idea.

I'm really trying to think through all possibilities . something I realized is that we'll eventually have to lynch dp anyway if he survives long. it's a ton of wifom.
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his insistence on me being scum is also absurd

[Performer]

All this talk about how everyone else has so much more knowledge of the setup makes me feel very out of my element.

I'm sorry

There's a part of me that's saying "trust those with even more experience or have made good points " like pp/nm/schadd (even more experience than I) and nom (good points), so a chen lynch is probably what we'll end up with...(and if it's possible, I'm open to consolidating onto other options like red or luv)


Also I don't know if this was said already but psyche needs to be vigged if he does not die.
there was a time I'd suggest nm but he has potential

[Psyche]

im on mobile right now but once i'm back out of working hours yall are getting some SERVICE with a SMILE

[Psyche]

Also I don't know if this was said already but psyche needs to be vigged if he does not die.

loss would be on your hands

[nomnomnom]

Also I don't know if this was said already but psyche needs to be vigged if he does not die.

I am so grateful that there's a vig in every normal I play! Woah!!11!

[Psyche]

would really welcome the opportunity to rub chenntown in ya'll's faces when he flips
almost willing to hammer the guy just for the experience

[nomnomnom]

would really welcome the opportunity to rub chenntown in ya'll's faces when he flips
almost willing to hammer the guy just for the experience

is that catharsis or a fetish of yours?

[Psyche]

i never derive sexual satisfaction from playing this game and you can quote me on that going forward

[MaryJoLisa]

Also I don't know if this was said already but psyche needs to be vigged if he does not die.

I am so grateful that there's a vig in every normal I play! Woah!!11!

I hope those aren't ongoing normal games you're referring to.

[Performer]

VC

Redemption:
Psyche:
Performer: Detective Pikachu, chennisden, MaryJoLisa, vork
Not_Mafia:
Detective Pikachu (l-2): Not_Mafia, Redemption, schadd_, pp, lucky,
nomnomnom: dp
chennisden: nom, performer
LuckyOtter:
MaryJoLisa: LuckyOtter
Vorkuta:
Lil Uzi Vert:
PenguinPower:
schadd_: Vorkuta

Not Voting: Psyche, Lil Uzi Vert,

Wow this vc (it's also updated for everyone, so you're welcome...)

VOTE: chennisden

[Performer]

i never derive sexual satisfaction from playing this game and you can quote me on that going forward

speaking of sexual satisfaction...

Who else are your scum reads?