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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:05 am
by teacher
Why wouldn’t you wait so that others can discuss this new info. It is not terrible at all. Like I’m saying treat it as scum, force it to give public results tomorrow, and work on associatices like your vork thought.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:06 am
by nomnomnom
In post 1549, Cinnamon wrote:But it really isn't. Yes, they're scummy but I don't see this as anywhere near confirmed scum and I don't think that lynching a cop claim day 1 is a good play here
It's a fakeclaim.
For christ sake.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:08 am
by nomnomnom
In post 1550, teacher wrote:Why wouldn’t you wait so that others can discuss this new info. It is not terrible at all. Like I’m saying treat it as scum, force it to give public results tomorrow, and work on associatices like your vork thought.
Because the cards are on the table already. Nothing will ever change with that slot, no matter how much time you give it.
She's the center of a few slots interactions as well, which makes her lynch that much more important.
There is no reason to avoid lynching this unless you think this is town. But it isn't. Delaying this lynch is game losing. You have my word on this.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:10 am
by Shoshin
In post 1543, Cinnamon wrote:While that's a valid point, I didn't get the same read from ED and I'd rather believe my own reads than yours here as I'm not familiar with you as a player. I just think you were wrong on ED.
I think the problem is nobody in this game trusts my reads. I'll try to remedy that. This my town record from this year:
Contrary to what others have claimed, my reads are significantly above average & trustworthy. It would be very stupid to lynch me on D1 before I've had a chance to get going. It's also stupid not to trust my townread on ED when I'm rarely wrong on townreads. It's also stupid to lynch a claimed cop.
The claim also explains why ED was laying low. What did you find scummy about ED?
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:13 am
by nomnomnom
In post 1553, Shoshin wrote:It would be very stupid to lynch me on D1 before I've had a chance to get going.
This is AtE again.
You've had a bunch of posts to express yourself, and people have found you scummy for it.
How many more posts do you need? A thousand?
You're just praying on people's insecurities because they've just laid them out in front of you.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:15 am
by Shoshin
Nom, please stop talking to me. You're cluttering the game at this point with stuff that isn't helpful.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:15 am
by Shoshin
I have a lot of posts but I haven't had much opportunity to interact & solve alignments.
Teacher, I still want answers to my questions from earlier.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:16 am
by nomnomnom
In post 1555, Shoshin wrote:Nom, please stop talking to me. You're cluttering the game at this point with stuff that isn't helpful.
It is helpful.
Just not helpful to you and your partners
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:17 am
by Cinnamon
In case it wasn't clear, I also do not think Shoshin is the correct lynch today.
I never said ED was scummy, but that they were merely not townie. I really can't see anybody who has only posted 7 times as very townie.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:18 am
by Detective Pikachu
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:19 am
by Shoshin
In post 1558, Cinnamon wrote:I never said ED was scummy, but that they were merely not townie. I really can't see anybody who has only posted 7 times as very townie.
To be clear, your inability to read a small quantity of posts doesn't mean others can't.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:19 am
by Cinnamon
Shoshin can you explain to me your read on Nero?
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:19 am
by nomnomnom
Alright. Let's phrase it this way.
If this flips cop, you can 100% lynch me tomorrow and I'll even self-vote.
I am THAT sure she is fakeclaiming and scum. Is that clear enough?
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:20 am
by Cinnamon
In post 1560, Shoshin wrote: In post 1558, Cinnamon wrote:I never said ED was scummy, but that they were merely not townie. I really can't see anybody who has only posted 7 times as very townie.
To be clear, your inability to read a small quantity of posts doesn't mean others can't.
To me, what this says is that they did not engage in any real time interactions and could have plenty of time to formulate their thoughts as mafia. I think any semi-competent mafia player could produce 7 posts that look somewhat townie in a week. I think you underestimate the scum range of somebody lurking on that scale.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:22 am
by Shoshin
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:22 am
by u r a person 2
you were jungle medicine? That actually makes a lot of sense in retrospect lol
I wish I had known that during the game. I probably would have approached you differently
so you're just a straight cop with no modifiers? I know it's a normal role, but I thought it was generally considered a bad role and thus not likely to be in normals
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:23 am
by Shoshin
In post 1563, Cinnamon wrote: In post 1560, Shoshin wrote: In post 1558, Cinnamon wrote:I never said ED was scummy, but that they were merely not townie. I really can't see anybody who has only posted 7 times as very townie.
To be clear, your inability to read a small quantity of posts doesn't mean others can't.
To me, what this says is that they did not engage in any real time interactions and could have plenty of time to formulate their thoughts as mafia. I think any semi-competent mafia player could produce 7 posts that look somewhat townie in a week. I think you underestimate the scum range of somebody lurking on that scale.
Is it possible that someone could fake what ED was doing? Yes. It is likely? No. Again, I let my record at scumhunting speak for itself.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:24 am
by Shoshin
In post 1565, u r a person 2 wrote:you were jungle medicine? That actually makes a lot of sense in retrospect lol
I wish I had known that during the game. I probably would have approached you differently
so you're just a straight cop with no modifiers? I know it's a normal role, but I thought it was generally considered a bad role and thus not likely to be in normals
Eh, there's a modifier but I'd rather not talk about it.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:31 am
by u r a person 2
I think if I had been cop!you, given your confidence, I might have risked the quick hammer and waited for intent before claiming
Maybe even saying that I wouldn't claim until intent to try and stop a hammer
and then try to talk my way out of the wagon without a claim
What was your thought process that led to you claiming at L-1 rather than the above?
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:35 am
by Shoshin
I've been quick hammered too much in the recent past to risk it. I've quick hammered scum myself & I don't believe it's a bad strategy if you have the correct level of confidence. The problem is when you're in a game with bad players or players who don't have the correct level of confidence about their reads.
I asked them to unvote when at L-1. Nom manipulated Salad into voting me back to L-1 after he unvoted. That's the point where I got scared.
For comparison, look at Open 756. I was cop put at L-1 and didn't claim. I asked the players who were around to unvote while I had a chance to talk stuff out. Another player at the same time declared intent to hammer. This was a different situation in that everyone in the game had spoken up about the situation, the players who weren't voting me had clearly called me town, the others had made their views known. So I risked not claiming.
This game, it's very unclear what a lot of players think about my alignment. I couldn't risk it.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:38 am
by Shoshin
The way I was reading the situation, U2/Nom/Salad/Flubb/Teacher were unlikely to unvote me. Cinn hadn't weighed in yet so that was a risk. Pika/Skitter/Buj weren't doing anything to save me. Dunn/Nero/Vork are wildcards that might hammer, especially if one of them is scum. This is why I claimed when I did.
If I were scum, I never claim cop here, especially not with an open miller claim.
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:38 am
by nomnomnom
In post 1569, Shoshin wrote:The problem is when you're in a game with bad players or players who don't have the correct level of confidence about their reads.
Gross.
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by ofrhz
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