Mini Normal 2130: Mafia From Home [Game Over]

[Firebringer]

but its impossible for me to say that scum would have killed u that night or that neighborhoods would have been outted, etc. That was directly influenced by you outing and the confusion on day 2. I am again saying as mod, I saw replacements of 2 players who were really active and strong town read on Day 4. Had more impact on the game, especially since one had an Innocent on the person town eventually lynched.

[Zantetsu]

Firebringer I'm going to respectfully disagree, although I am not sure my opinion means anything to anyone. But still I will proceed.

I think mafia is a pretty hard game. I have seen most games come down to 3p LYLO, and the deciding factors of the game can often be razor thin. The only thing that we can point to beyond random chance that determines outcomes of games is play; and anything that disrupts play therefore has an effect on the outcome of the game.

The timing of BM's claim (which as I pointed out numerous times but no one would listen!) was just too coincidentally right after a 2 person neighborhood was revealed for me to conclude that the neighborhood reveal was not the cause of BM feeling he could fake PT Cop at that point. Nobody even questioned why there would be a PT Cop in the game once it was known there were neighborhoods. So I don't think he would have done that had the neighborhood not been announced. Which itself very well might not have happened had Una gotten a different result.

It's quite possible that the neighborhood (or the neighborizer, or friendly neighbor) would have been claimed and lead to BM also feeling like he could fake a PT Cop claim. But probably this would have happened much later in the day, and by that point maybe BM wouldn't have felt so threatened by me (maybe we'd have a good wagon going against Anotora?) that he wouldn't have faked a guilty on me.

But I also agree with you that my screw-up was much more influential on the game, so if all we care about is "what was the most influential mistake", then I can easily take credit for that.

[Zantetsu]

Firebringer, are you waiting for anything in particular before opening other threads? I ask only because I find that getting stuff done as soon as possible after the game ends is the best way to get everything taken care of.

[UnaBombaH]

I don't want to shit on u by saying this but ur role/ability had little influence on game events than a minor flux on day 2 in beginning of day between u and Luca. It dropped immediately off when Battle Mage claimed his guilty on his buddy.

Exactly.

If battle mage didn't claim his guilty then ur role/actions would probably have had more influence on day 2 events, but really reading through it. It was a minor speed bump in the game. And I can't say immediately that Battle Mage was influenced to fake a guilty on his ally based on u/Luca activity.

Exactly.
So if I had gotten a "no result", I wouldn't have outed myself/Luca, and Zantetsu would've still been lynched.

So again when I say "minor speedbump" its to mean that even if u stayed quiet about ur role with me giving u a "no result" action. I think Day ends the exact same way.

Exactly, we agree on this.

I think in night the scum had u pegged alredy as a PR too.

Sure, Zantetsu already said as much.
But he was the one who was advocating for my death, and yet I wasn't shot.
AND he was the one who would've been lynched D2.
So tell me why the scumteam would've shot me N2 then, since I wouldn't have outed any results and there was no more need for crumbing?
AND considering they obviously thought I had mislynch-value.

I am again saying as mod, I saw replacements of 2 players who were really active and strong town read on Day 4. Had more impact on the game, especially since one had an Innocent on the person town eventually lynched.

I'm not arguing this wasn't MORE impactful, but it's like saying that "because the second mistake was worse, the first one doesn't matter".
Especially since you can't say that the 2nd mistake would've ever taken place if the first hadn't.

[UnaBombaH]

^^Zantetsu clearly sees it the same way as I do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But if i can’t be sassy thwn how am i supposed to have fun?!

[UnaBombaH]

Obv. you can be sassy, just work on that tone maybe?
Or, like said, tone it down a notch.
It's not only harder to cipher the tone and meaning from your posts, but also makes you come across rather hostile at times.

But hey, that's just my opinion. You do you

[Zantetsu]

In scum chat we kind of couldn't decide if Una was a PR or just trying to draw a NK. BM was much more interested in lynching Churros than Una and if I had survived D2 I would have acquiesced on the Churros kill and Una would have lived to get a result.

[Zantetsu]

I thought Una demonstrated good deductions and reads and would have been a good town player had he lived.

I thought Churros was a very good player and to be honest I am not at all sure that my N1 advocation for a kill of Saudade over Churros was the right call. But I left it up to 72, and he sided with me, which may be part of what drove BM to his actions, I don't know.

[Churros]

I'm...not sure the neapolitan didn't work correctly. As I see it, you should have received "no result" or not being able to target, since Luca was a PR (I suppose neighbor count as a PR either way).

Didn't you receive no result...?

[Firebringer]

no he got "not vanilla"

[Churros]

Ah, you confused it with Vanilla Cop!

I have done that before as well!

[Saudade]

Guys

[Saudade]

Town lost because you didnt protect the most brilliant player

[Saudade]

Booo

[Saudade]

Also please dont call each other names AFTER the game is done you children

[Firebringer]

Threads:
Scum chat
Neighborhood Luca-72offsuit
Eve and Churros
I would add Eve & Looker chat but it is empty.

Mod PT:
Here

I don't know if the Setup Design Thread Gets Released.
This setup was designed by Flavor Leaf and Reviewed by NSG.

[Zantetsu]

Thank you Firebringer.

[profii]

oh I forgot. Luca, can you stop scum reading me because I don't play like I did in that mason game every single time, I wont play like that unless im a mason, and even then I'll think twice about it

thanks

[Churros]

Reading scum PT I can see why there was frustation between BM/Zantetsu, they don't meld well as players I guess....

Either way, good job everyone, it was an entertaining game. (I didn't expect that gambit from you BM, gotta note you're a pretty ballsy person for next time)

Fire, your modding is good, don't be disheartened.

[Flavor Leaf]

I know it's a bit late, but I was on hiatus when this game was being run. I guess I'll clear things up in regards to Una's role, in case anyone sees this in the future.

The Simple Combined Neapolitan Doctor was created to only be able to target Vanilla roles, and protect Vanilla Towns. Neapolitan receives Vanilla Town or Not Vanilla town, and since they were combined, any action that was successful would be protected. Simple, however, makes it so targeting any PR, would give a "No Result", since the action would fail. The Mafia Goon is able to be targeted because of the Simple modifier, and thus, the Mafia Goon would give the result "Not Vanilla Town", effectively making this role a Goon Cop/Vanilla Town Doctor combination.

[UnaBombaH]

I know it's a bit late, but I was on hiatus when this game was being run. I guess I'll clear things up in regards to Una's role, in case anyone sees this in the future.

The Simple Combined Neapolitan Doctor was created to only be able to target Vanilla roles, and protect Vanilla Towns. Neapolitan receives Vanilla Town or Not Vanilla town, and since they were combined, any action that was successful would be protected. Simple, however, makes it so targeting any PR, would give a "No Result", since the action would fail. The Mafia Goon is able to be targeted because of the Simple modifier, and thus, the Mafia Goon would give the result "Not Vanilla Town", effectively making this role a Goon Cop/Vanilla Town Doctor combination.

THANK YOU, and this is all I ever wanted to hear.
Not excuses about how it didn't affect the game as much as I think it did.
OF COURSE IT AFFECTED THE GAME.
I could've potentially gotten way more reliable results that were actually worthy of outing, instead of falsely "guiltying" a townslot.

Now I don't feel as bad about this game or queue - knowing that this was simply a one-time slipup.