Either Sirius or Noraa. Leaning towards Sirius because of bloodthirsty voting on Day 1.
In post 1467, Mundivore wrote:And actually, we can't just sit around all day doing nothing. So let's start with VOTE: Noraa.
1. I think there's even odds you're scum so I wouldn't be upset to see you go.
2. I want to see what people's reactions to this vote are.
Reaction tests are pretty lame and rarely catch scum.
Why would you not just vote for your top SR noraa?
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:40 pm
by 72offsuit
Sirius*
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:54 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 1471, Mundivore wrote:I mean, Nikahang just voted for shelly over and over and never did anything else that game. It's possible for scum to do that, but it would be weird. I'd expect scum to do something more like Sirius did—lead with a vote on a scummate if it was a wagon, then hop to the freshest wagon. Sirius likes wagons so far, and in my experience that's a scum trait.
But my voting for you is not OMGUS. I've been sus of you since Day 1 lmao. I'm mostly voting just to see what happens, there are a couple of different reactions I'm interested in seeing.
Also, just gotta say, if I was scum:
1) I walk in and shelly has just made that crazy play. Why would I have pressured a kill on Plus so aggressively? It was probably completely unnecessary to get the kill (considering plus himself was angling for it) and ultimately got a lot more attention put on me. It's also debatable that it's
even better
for scum if I don't pressure you into making the kill and let you go the day without the kill happening. It puts the game into the same game-state (ultimately town still has wasted an elim, so scum still gets another night) except that now scum has more control over the outcome. Scum has more flexible options if there's no kill: they can NK plus to create the same game-state, we're currently in, or gamble on the set of possible night-actions to hope for a scenario where nobody receives Plus' night action to try to get shelly to live for another day
2) Frankly, the fact that the people who were NK'd were all people who FoS'd me at some point is NAI. I've seen scum try to use their NK's to frame people more often than I've seen them try to use them to eliminate critics. Think about it: the way scum wins is by getting them to waste their elims. There is no other victory condition for scum, that's just how the numbers play out. Every time town kills a townie, scum gets one more night. Every time town skips a vote and every other time after that, scum gets another night. Scum need three false elims to win in total.
Defensive NKs point a bunch of arrows towards you. It might reduce some day suspicion, but if someone notices, there's a decent chance the town tries to kill you. It puts you in the spotlight even if you successfully defend yourself in the daythread, and might force you to try to fakeclaim to stay alive, which often leads to a 50/50 which is quite bad for scum. Meanwhile, framing someone else with your NK's puts
them
in the spotlight, taking pressure off of you. It's especially effective if you don't draw attention to it, and see if someone else connects the dots to the person you're framing, although you can pull it out yourself to get the final miselim too. Basically, as scum, you don't want to be feeding townies lines that give them better odds of catching scum than elim'ing purely randomly, and playing often leads to that.
3) Let's say I am scum, and I am using my NK defensively. I'd rather kill 72 than Frogster: 72 also announced suspicion of me, and while Frogster FoS'd me Day 2, I seem to recall that he liked me Day 1. Not sure on that. Either way, 72 seems to have more of a proclivity towards tunneling on scum targets, and I was his sole scumread at that point. His initial suspicion of shelly was long and aggressive, and after the counterclaim nonsense he continued to think that Plus was scum. I think it's pretty clear that 72 and shelly can't have been scummates, so I definitely would have killed him night 2 if I hadn't on night 1.
I actually still think that the Sirius/shelly scumteam is a bit more plausible than the Noraa/shelly scumteam. I'm mostly just trying to get discussion rolling, and people tend to start replying when you vote for them. To that end,
VOTE: Sirius9121
What do you think about all this, huh?
Focus on Wifom night kill spec and discussion about already dead players rather than the players remaining is not a town mindset.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:56 pm
by 72offsuit
In post 1475, Mundivore wrote:Actually, I'm happy with my vote where it was. VOTE: Noraa.
I think there's a good chance town has just won. Let me explain:
I'm the Tracker. Night 1, I followed Sirius. No action—unless shelly did both actions Night 1, which risks being totally shut down by a potential Jailer, then Sirius is town. Night 2, I followed Redados. No action, so Redados is conftown. By play, 72 is very likely town.
Scenario 1: Nobody counterclaims me. This makes me conftown. We kill Noraa. If that's somehow not right... well, we'll see. It's probably 72 in this case, I think it's more likely that 72 couldn't reign in a teammate than that scum would risk getting both their kill and their rolecop read eaten by a potential Jailer. However, I'm pretty sure it's Noraa at this point—I misremembered, and thought that my Night 1 action was on 72, not Sirius, hence my not getting to this sooner.
Scenario 2: I get counterclaimed. It's 50/50 between me and the person who counterclaims. We have room for one miselim, so we just kill both and Town wins 100% of the time.
I admit that this has a failure condition, but with three FoS's on me already, I think claiming now isn't too aggressive anyways. Worst case scenario still involves dodging me getting miselim'd—the only way town should kill me after this claim is if scum counter-claims.
Why would you claim?????
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:59 pm
by 72offsuit
Nvm. It was good you claimed.
I dont CC.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:00 pm
by 72offsuit
Intent to hammer norra.
I don t rly have any more to add.
Awaiting if others want to discuss anything.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:04 pm
by 72offsuit
First time ive seen a PR replace out.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:06 pm
by Sirius9121
YOLO VOTE: Noraa
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:07 pm
by 72offsuit
Reminder to self before i forget again - early reads r way better than later reads
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:09 pm
by JacksonVirgo
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:24 pm
by JacksonVirgo
Noraa has been eliminated for crimes against doggo kind... they were a
Mafia Goon
!
The Town Wins!
Mundivore, a
Town Tracker
,
survived an won the game!
Redados, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
Sirius9121, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
72offsuit, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
PlusJOYED, EchoVision and Frogsterking also won the game from doggo heaven!
Dead PT and any private threads will be released after both Mafia agree to it with or without redactions and/or 48 hours have passed though private threads may not be posted without permission.
The game is now in post-game
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:40 pm
by shellyc
no redactions
so basically I kinda messed up since I forgot I was rolecop and thought I was goon until n1 wtf me
Original plan to claim doctor served to get plusjoy limmed and get 2 nightkills in between, and also mess the game up for an easy mundivore lim d2. Since plusjoy suspected mundivore and the slot looks really bad
Also because plusjoy was d1 lim there was a 99% chance of tracker since jailkeeper would have shown resistance. we had to kill echo n1 for getting universal TR.
We could get to limlo with a wasted d2. I also set up sirius as the limlo lim for basically setting them up as my partner in many posts
problem is I misread frogster as pr for being lurky and quite passive. Oh well. We live and we learn.
Also Noraa did very well as my partner, i just made a terrible decision in hindsight.
Noraa has been eliminated for crimes against doggo kind... they were a
Mafia Goon
!
The Town Wins!
Mundivore, a
Town Tracker
,
survived
an
won the game!
Redados, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
Sirius9121, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
72offsuit, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
PlusJOYED, EchoVision and Frogsterking also won the game from doggo heaven!
The game is officially over with a Town Victory!
Mod PT
Mafia PT, Dead PT and any private threads will be released after both Mafia agree to it with or without redactions and/or 48 hours have passed though private threads may not be posted without permission.
Noraa has been eliminated for crimes against doggo kind... they were a
Mafia Goon
!
The Town Wins!
Mundivore, a[/color]
Town Tracker
,
survived
an
won the game!
Redados, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
Sirius9121, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
72offsuit, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
PlusJOYED, EchoVision and Frogsterking also won the game from doggo heaven!
The game is officially over with a Town Victory!
Mod PT
Mafia PT, Dead PT and any private threads will be released after both Mafia agree to it with or without redactions and/or 48 hours have passed though private threads may not be posted without permission.
Noraa has been eliminated for crimes against doggo kind... they were a
Mafia Goon
!
The Town Wins![/color]
Mundivore, a
Town Tracker
,
survived
an
won the game!
Redados, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
Sirius9121, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
72offsuit, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
PlusJOYED, EchoVision and Frogsterking also won the game from doggo heaven!
The game is officially over with a Town Victory!
Mod PT
Mafia PT, Dead PT and any private threads will be released after both Mafia agree to it with or without redactions and/or 48 hours have passed though private threads may not be posted without permission.
Noraa has been eliminated for crimes against doggo kind... they were a
Mafia Goon
!
The Town Wins![/color]
Mundivore, a
Town Tracker
,
survived
an
won the game!
Redados, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
Sirius9121, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
72offsuit, a
Vanilla Townie
,
survived an won the game!
PlusJOYED, EchoVision and Frogsterking also won the game from doggo heaven!
The game is officially over with a Town Victory!
Mod PT
Mafia PT, Dead PT and any private threads will be released after both Mafia agree to it with or without redactions and/or 48 hours have passed though private threads may not be posted without permission.
The game is now in post-game
the word is 'and'
Shush I was copy+pasting
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:01 pm
by 72offsuit
Gg. Wp town.
Winning as scum in this setup is the hardest imo.
2 PRs to contend with and rolecop is so much weaker than roleblocker imo.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:01 pm
by 72offsuit
It was nice playing with you all, would gladly play with any of you again.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:03 pm
by shellyc
In post 1568, 72offsuit wrote:Winning as scum in this setup is the hardest imo.
2 PRs to contend with and rolecop is so much weaker than roleblocker imo.
tbh the jailkeeper + TFN setup was scarier.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:03 pm
by shellyc
but column B is hardest to fakeclaim in and rolecop is bleh
In post 1568, 72offsuit wrote:Winning as scum in this setup is the hardest imo.
2 PRs to contend with and rolecop is so much weaker than roleblocker imo.
tbh the jailkeeper + TFN setup was scarier.
I won 2022, my first game, as scum in B2.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:06 pm
by Sirius9121
I was the rolecop
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:08 pm
by JacksonVirgo
Being solo scum with a JKer is terrifying, though this time it was a Tracker
