Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:28 am
What’s the Umlaut case in your own words?In post 1538, Lukewarm wrote:Koba, want to help me kill Chaos?
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:29 am
Random?In post 1548, DkKoba wrote:gameing?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:39 am
Pretty sure he already specified his position regarding UmlautIn post 1549, ChaosOmega wrote:Lukewarm, what are your thoughts on Umlaut? Is he scummy but less so than me, neutral, town?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:39 am
In post 1435, Lukewarm wrote:I feel like chaos is SUPER scummy, and it feels like admitting defeat just rolling over and letting a second couter wagons go through while I'm over here championing the chaos wagon both days. But like, it is just not happening even though no one is out here town casing him and he certainly has not suddenly started towning it upIn post 1433, Datisi wrote:luke, how may i bribe you for an umlaut vote?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:47 am
Need today off all games. Mental health.
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:47 am
Gamma, that quote is not his position regarding Umlaut, it is regarding me. You could also let him answer.
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:25 am
Eh I guess not
But I still am not a fan of you asking when it’s clear he’s not really in a mood to compromise
But I still am not a fan of you asking when it’s clear he’s not really in a mood to compromise
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:47 am
I actually liked Chaos’s posting there.
It’s not a matter of whether someone is in the mood to compromise it’s about building communication.
What we don’t want is silos that scum can take advantage of and manipulate.
The more people don’t try to see both sides of where people come from and go “my way I want my elimination” the more likely I am to vote the opposite argument for town health. My preference is Umlaut today but if town health says Chaos I will do Chaos first.
It’s not a matter of whether someone is in the mood to compromise it’s about building communication.
What we don’t want is silos that scum can take advantage of and manipulate.
The more people don’t try to see both sides of where people come from and go “my way I want my elimination” the more likely I am to vote the opposite argument for town health. My preference is Umlaut today but if town health says Chaos I will do Chaos first.
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:54 am
My inclination is kinda to try and allow people to reset if they’re wrong
If Chaos is town I don’t see him ever playing in a way that will get Luke to realize that, so it would probably be better to allow him to refocus
If Chaos is town I don’t see him ever playing in a way that will get Luke to realize that, so it would probably be better to allow him to refocus
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:00 am
Him to refocus => which him?In post 1558, Gamma Emerald wrote:My inclination is kinda to try and allow people to reset if they’re wrong
If Chaos is town I don’t see him ever playing in a way that will get Luke to realize that, so it would probably be better to allow him to refocus
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:04 am
Luke
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:06 am
Early day 1 I leaned town on Umlaut, but then he has been very absent since then. And that has eroded my read on him a bit, but also I have not seen anything from him that stood out as scummy.In post 1549, ChaosOmega wrote:Lukewarm, what are your thoughts on Umlaut? Is he scummy but less so than me, neutral, town?
Which comparing that to you, you have both been absent and scummy
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:08 am
I mean, yes I don't feel like compromising.In post 1558, Gamma Emerald wrote:My inclination is kinda to try and allow people to reset if they’re wrong
If Chaos is town I don’t see him ever playing in a way that will get Luke to realize that, so it would probably be better to allow him to refocus
But also, the entire case surrounding Umlaut (as far as I have seen) is that he has been absent/lurking.
Umlaut has 40 posts. Chaos has 12.
So Umalut lurking does not feel like a persuasive argument that he is scummier then Chaos.
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:10 am
Okay take a known tunneler like me.In post 1560, Gamma Emerald wrote:Luke
Replace in Luke.
How does elimming Umlaut help a tunneler refocus?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:11 am
Like I don’t see your argument here Gamma.
If anything that’s an argument for elimming Chaos and this forces Luke to either celebrate with joy he got scum or refocus.
If anything that’s an argument for elimming Chaos and this forces Luke to either celebrate with joy he got scum or refocus.
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:12 am
I would expect most people to try to re-sort slots they had previously tucked away if one of their confident SRs was wrong
Aristeia didn’t obviously but rn I want to say she’s the exception not the rule
Aristeia didn’t obviously but rn I want to say she’s the exception not the rule
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:12 am
raw post count is a horrible way to judge "how much" someone is actually posting. besides, i've seen scum!umlaut and town!umlaut under pressure. town!umlaut tends to *try* put content out to change people's minds. he's completely shut down here.
@gamma, how sure are you luke is town here (so much so you want to let him refocus) as opposed to scum pushing a townie?
@gamma, how sure are you luke is town here (so much so you want to let him refocus) as opposed to scum pushing a townie?
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:15 am
Okay no you read my post wrongIn post 1564, MathBlade wrote:Like I don’t see your argument here Gamma.
If anything that’s an argument for elimming Chaos and this forces Luke to either celebrate with joy he got scum or refocus.
I was playing Devil’s Advocate to you, so I was saying I think Chaos would be a better lim because it would let Luke refocus if Chaos flipped town
@Datisi mostly sure, I’d say like 80%
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:17 am
My stance for like 75% of the day was Chaos>Meg.In post 1565, Gamma Emerald wrote:I would expect most people to try to re-sort slots they had previously tucked away if one of their confident SRs was wrong
Aristeia didn’t obviously but rn I want to say she’s the exception not the rule
Yes I thought that meg was scummy too, but I compromised away from my top preference Day 1. Nothing about Meg flipping town makes me think that Chaos is any less likely scum.
If you want me to reset, town case Chaos or scum case Umlaut.
Give me something to make me reconsider, because when I just went about re-read Chaos's iso, I got the same feeling all over again
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:17 am
It feels like Gamma and Luke are both trying to pull momentum away from Umlaut here.
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:18 am
There were lots of factors that went into that decision outside of just compromising. Maybe poor word choice. But my point it is the sameIn post 1568, Lukewarm wrote:I compromised away from my top preference Day 1.
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:20 am
There’s not much of a case I can make either way because I also think Chaos has been scummy, not to the point that I’m sure he’d flip scum, but enough that I’m not in the mood to oppose his lim unless there was a really good reason, and Umlaut can’t really be cases effectively because of how inactive he’s been outside the meta case that’s already been put forward. I guess the best I can do is talk about my own experience with Umlaut!scum
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:21 am
Explain why this has to be an either or situation.In post 1569, ChaosOmega wrote:It feels like Gamma and Luke are both trying to pull momentum away from Umlaut here.
Far as I am concerned my vote would be about game health and you’re both scummy AF to me.
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:24 am
Actually yeah I’ll do that
I feel like Umlaut lurking/being low effort isn’t a direct scumtell because I think he was a bit low effort at one point in Your Nightmare Redux, but in that game it still felt like he was trying
Meanwhile here and in G&R V (the game I mentioned earlier when discussing my Aristeia read D1 with Datisi) Umlaut’s been quite low impact and when he did post it was mediocre at best
I feel like Umlaut lurking/being low effort isn’t a direct scumtell because I think he was a bit low effort at one point in Your Nightmare Redux, but in that game it still felt like he was trying
Meanwhile here and in G&R V (the game I mentioned earlier when discussing my Aristeia read D1 with Datisi) Umlaut’s been quite low impact and when he did post it was mediocre at best
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:24 am
(FYI Your Nightmare Redux was a town!Umlaut game)