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In post 1544, Ydrasse wrote:i town

Finally, the long-awaited sequel to Will Smith's "iRobot"

I'm fine flipping though I was hoping to get Tammy's brain moving again and pumping out some thoughts, that's more of an academic exercise/learning to love mafia again approach. It probably helps us winning but I have no serious doubts.

I'm happy to flip whenever with whoever in whatever order-if people want to sort me sooner over later, if people want some insurance I'm not scum with someone else in the block, or just to exit with Tammy and then we go back to exercising and reading instead of mafia.

Klick should probably be allowed to choose who stays in Final 2 with him if we're seriously going to leave him there btw. I don't know if it's only me who wants that or not.

i’m fine to let f4 figure it out themselves if it comes to that with my thoughts on who’s scum out there now

whenever flipping begins i’m on board

I agree with that, but I do think people should essentially shut one player out then let them kingmake. As is if any of the three players choose a wrong townread the game instantly ends, while a correct one still has the must be mutual barrier

oh fair sure

if people want that they can go wild

ship it

EV should be the same assuming random choices but I think there's problems with assuming random choices that this kinda avoids

In post 1471, Dwlee99 wrote:Also y'all are playing trust fall wrong. Why is this game almost 60 pages with no one leaving. Utterly baffled

this made me laugh. no idea if it's true, but certainly resonates. catch up imminent

In post 1510, Ydrasse wrote:i don’t think i have a lot to add but i’m at cookie+? for f2.

my most contrarian take is that i’m unsure if klick is scum despite the low wim, there seems to be a cutoff point where he dropped off thats mapped more to the environment of game/real life for him and the stuff he said before was Fine.

cookie’s just narrating what town should be doing

ah your predecessor had a better read on me I think. I was tempted to trust you, but seems like a bad move given you would only reciprocate as scum (and perhaps not even then!). Then again if we're already planning out every pairing we're in possible game-throw territory, so maybe I need to do something. hmmm...

while i read up, anyone got a tl;dr on this whole "plan out the final 4" strategy?

yep
Enchant/dwlee exit
Tammy/Ydrasse exit
Me/Prism exit

town win

ah i follow, so assuming we have 6 solidtowns we can guarantee winning because 2 scum must be in the last 4? what's the rationale for each of those 6 being town again? even if 1 only is mafia, it's not the worst situation for end of game.

I want to exit with ydrasse

tw offered to vote Enchant to conf him and Enchant refused while he could just accept and exit
dwlee (tw) was voted by both me and Enchant and could exit but didn't (plus he could have exited instead of replacing out)
Tammy was voted by both me and dwlee and didn't exit
Ydrasee was voted by dwlee and didn't exit
I was voted by tw and didn't exit

Prism is not as town as the above 5 but is my top townread out of the remaining

In post 1561, Dwlee99 wrote:I want to exit with ydrasse

ok do that
ydrasee do you mind

no i do not mind

does anyone else have anything to say

ok well

VOTE: i trust dwlee

I'd love a Tammy exit but I'm not going to get in the way or argue about it for eons if people really want to strategically pair me elsewhere

tammy can go next methinks

In post 1562, Wisdom wrote:tw offered to vote Enchant to conf him and Enchant refused while he could just accept and exit
dwlee (tw) was voted by both me and Enchant and could exit but didn't (plus he could have exited instead of replacing out)
Tammy was voted by both me and dwlee and didn't exit
Ydrasee was voted by dwlee and didn't exit
I was voted by tw and didn't exit

Prism is not as town as the above 5 but is my top townread out of the remaining

ok gotcha. So I'm slightly more convinced by the dwlee and tammy ones than the others - it does make sense tw would have trusted to exit rather than leaving unless particularly worried about the partner getting trusted, and likewise happy to trust the consensus that Tammy-scum would have panicked and bailed by now. That said, with such a defined group of trusted vs non-trusted, I think there's a reasonable chance of 1 scum in the group above wanting to stay and influence in favour of their partner not included above (since not doing so risks losing the game). Also perhaps more importantly, it feels like scum would probably be more motivated to force themselves into that list early to get some mechanical credibility/influence (whereas town could afford to sit back and be more passive). On Enchant, I think enchant-scum could be wary of the tw offer in that scenario (and that wariness did come across in posts).

Why was Pooky so convinced you were scum?

this may come back to bite me (i am delicious), but let's take a gamble.

VOTE: Tammy

They exited, cookie. Lets wait for the flips now

also worth saying I know me trusting may not mean anything as may not be reciprocated, but nice to be involved and see if I'm right about things (apols if I'm not!).

In post 1570, Wisdom wrote:They exited, cookie. Lets wait for the flips now

oh lol ok i'll get back to work tomorrow then!

looks like Ydrasse may have exited with dwlee, so my trust on Tammy can stand. a few flips will help narrow it down though, especially on a re-read. although seems like lots of it may have been a bit argumentative.

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