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In post 1543, Andante wrote:

In post 1539, Titus wrote:

In post 1527, Andante wrote:purple prose? idk what that is. Fire is a purple doggo though

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Ok, so you're saying that's all GL does? I mean, the only thing I even read was the interaction with me, and that felt like a genuine "you do realize you're saying 4/7 maf in one pool and 0/9 in the other?" no fancy language

Why is it the only thing you read of GL's?

im with taly lmao

In post 1550, Titus wrote:

In post 1543, Andante wrote:

In post 1539, Titus wrote:

In post 1527, Andante wrote:purple prose? idk what that is. Fire is a purple doggo though

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Ok, so you're saying that's all GL does? I mean, the only thing I even read was the interaction with me, and that felt like a genuine "you do realize you're saying 4/7 maf in one pool and 0/9 in the other?" no fancy language

Why is it the only thing you read of GL's?

I've been busy?

In post 1551, Ydrasse wrote:im with taly lmao

Congrats!!!

In post 1551, Ydrasse wrote:im with taly lmao

*grumbles* horrible pairing.

That means I'm missing a gentleman in my wall then.

nah its not

we're gonna crack the game open and then die

I paired EE twice. Doh!

In post 1490, Andante wrote:

In post 1482, Save The Dragons wrote:i dunno

You feel better about Titus/LLD than GL?

yes

I'd like Datisi with EE. Both have similar energies and would likely work well together. If they really trust each other, they could definitely do a good cop bad cop well.

I'd put Catboi with SS. I feel this is a very solid pairing because I TRed Cabd early. I feel Catboi can be a bit forward while SS can be more reserved. They both are active and can play off each other.

RH9 I would put with Alyssa. These are both slots I waffle on and I hope their dichotomy would help me see which way to go.

Galron goes with mala. Old school meets new school
Marcistar goes with lily.
These two can be swapped. Left overs.

Std goes with me.

GL sits out.

In post 1555, Ydrasse wrote:nah its not

we're gonna crack the game open and then die

I was going to hold back my snarky attitude. But it’s getting real difficult atm.

like a little egg

In post 1557, Save The Dragons wrote:

In post 1490, Andante wrote:

In post 1482, Save The Dragons wrote:i dunno

You feel better about Titus/LLD than GL?

yes

interesting, I feel better about GL over LLD/Titus, likely cause of LLD's interrogation method/whatnot

- I have a few thoughts here. The first is that the last time I was scum against Datisi, I fear killed him on N1 because I was terrified of him catching me and I didn't want to have to keep playing the entire game around pocketing Datisi. This was only a few months ago in White Flag 834, my most recent scum game.

(I also invite anyone/everyone else to look at it and see if they feel any differences for themselves between my play there and my play here, not just in terms of how I treat Datisi but also my play in general.)

If I were scum the thing I would want is any chance of needing to pocket Datisi through endgame, as evidenced by what I did in that prior game. I'm not a good pocketer. I don't even fancy myself a good scum player. I hate being endgame scum and normally what I aim to do is bully my way to surviving a few days through the easy MLs while making my teammates look as dis-associated as possible, and then sac myself so that they can try to endgame. Part of the reason this strategy is usually necessary is also because I tend to get killed early when I'm town in most games and so me being alive in LIMLO is rather damning most of the time - I recognize that doesn't apply in this setup as much given the lack of traditional NK, but dancing with Datisi and then needing to spend the whole game making sure Datisi doesn't paranoia leave doesn't strike me as something I'd want to do or something I'd be good at.

Further - if my agenda to pocket Datisi, I don't think I've taken any initiative to really... do that? Like yes, I did townread Datisi early, but I've taken a very clear backseat in terms of letting Datisi propose/dance with whoever he wants to dance with. I didn't lie when he asked if I would be up for dancing with him, but I don't think there's a single post in my ISO that is a) pocket-y in nature and b) NOT a response to Datisi talking to me directly. Most of my interactions with Datisi have been replying to what he's said and not me going out of my way to flatter him or make him feel good about his reads or any of that other stuff that usually comes with buddying/pocketing. I've been instead pressuring/reacting to slots I'm suspicious of, rather than angling to get myself specifically townread. If my agenda was to pocket Datisi and get a dance with him, I think you'd be hard pressed to say that's what I've spent most of my time doing.

Finally, as for my actual townread on Datisi and where it came from, there's a few things that strike me as unlikely to come from scum. The first was 35, I know Datisi that if they were scum they'd want to win in the most vengeful way possible, pocketing me and taking me to endgame and crushing my hopes and dreams of a Datisi/GL dance townwin, but I honestly dunno if I believe him. I caught Datisi almost instantly last time I played with him as scum and I think if he were scum and he knew I was town there'd be at least some detectable degree of Fear. The mindset behind 35 wasn't at all to create excuses to avoid dancing with me, instead Datisi is actually making it harder for himself to not dance with me by saying he thinks he could correctly sort me. I don't think scum would discard a potentially useful reason to get out of dancing with me (I can't read him and he shouldn't endgame), scum!Datisi instead would be worried that might catch . I don't sense any self-consciousness here.

The second is kind of a holistic like of his reasons for suspicion or scumreads. I haven't once looked at a Datisi post and disliked their reasoning for feeling shallow or disingenuous, even when he's been suspicious of me. I don't agree at all that "[a] I scumread so many gentlemen that

In post 1542, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Who am i to solve the game without your guidance.

Ur the foundation

In post 1561, Andante wrote:

In post 1557, Save The Dragons wrote:

In post 1490, Andante wrote:

In post 1482, Save The Dragons wrote:i dunno

You feel better about Titus/LLD than GL?

yes

interesting, I feel better about GL over LLD/Titus, likely cause of LLD's interrogation method/whatnot

I mean this in the best way possible but LLD is an ass in games, regardless of her alignment. It's really hard for sensitive, partially ego driven players like myself to read her. She knows her way around emotions and doesn't care who knows it. You don't get two shots at LLD, regardless of if she's town or scum and you're lucky to get one. She'll find your vulnerability and use it to win, and I respect that about her even though it sometimes hurts. She leaves it all in the game though and is absolutely amazing outside of the games. She was amazing to me during my separation and later divorce.

In post 1558, Titus wrote:I'd like Datisi with EE. Both have similar energies and would likely work well together. If they really trust each other, they could definitely do a good cop bad cop well.

Gave it an big thought earlier, but Datisi’s read rate on me is too unstable for me to consider it an good idea.
Guy’s scumread me as town for about 10 games straight now, while i almost always correctly read them.
So basically it’s too one-sided. And i doubt Datisi will trust me enough for us to actually have an good co-operation.
I think the only way would be if we were literal hydras. The moment Datisi doesn’t have my role clearly written on the paper it’s just game over for the trust he has for me.

In post 1562, GuiltyLion wrote:

On why I don't believe my play fits a pattern of "pocketing Datisi"

- I have a few thoughts here. The first is that the last time I was scum against Datisi, I fear killed him on N1 because I was terrified of him catching me and I didn't want to have to keep playing the entire game around pocketing Datisi. This was only a few months ago in White Flag 834, my most recent scum game.

(I also invite anyone/everyone else to look at it and see if they feel any differences for themselves between my play there and my play here, not just in terms of how I treat Datisi but also my play in general.)

If I were scum the

last

thing I would want is any chance of needing to pocket Datisi through endgame, as evidenced by what I did in that prior game. I'm not a good pocketer. I don't even fancy myself a good scum player. I hate being endgame scum and normally what I aim to do is bully my way to surviving a few days through the easy MLs while making my teammates look as dis-associated as possible, and then sac myself so that they can try to endgame. Part of the reason this strategy is usually necessary is also because I tend to get killed early when I'm town in most games and so me being alive in LIMLO is rather damning most of the time - I recognize that doesn't apply in this setup as much given the lack of traditional NK, but dancing with Datisi and then needing to spend the whole game making sure Datisi doesn't paranoia leave doesn't strike me as something I'd want to do or something I'd be good at.

Further - if my agenda

was

to pocket Datisi, I don't think I've taken any initiative to really... do that? Like yes, I did townread Datisi early, but I've taken a very clear backseat in terms of letting Datisi propose/dance with whoever he wants to dance with. I didn't lie when he asked if I would be up for dancing with him, but I don't think there's a single post in my ISO that is a) pocket-y in nature and b) NOT a response to Datisi talking to me directly. Most of my interactions with Datisi have been replying to what he's said and not me going out of my way to flatter him or make him feel good about his reads or any of that other stuff that usually comes with buddying/pocketing. I've been instead pressuring/reacting to slots I'm suspicious of, rather than angling to get myself specifically townread. If my agenda was to pocket Datisi and get a dance with him, I think you'd be hard pressed to say that's what I've spent most of my time doing.

Finally, as for my actual townread on Datisi and where it came from, there's a few things that strike me as unlikely to come from scum. The first was 35, I know Datisi

said

that if they were scum they'd want to win in the most vengeful way possible, pocketing me and taking me to endgame and crushing my hopes and dreams of a Datisi/GL dance townwin, but I honestly dunno if I believe him. I caught Datisi almost instantly last time I played with him as scum and I think if he were scum and he knew I was town there'd be at least some detectable degree of Fear. The mindset behind 35 wasn't at all to create excuses to avoid dancing with me, instead Datisi is actually making it harder for himself to not dance with me by saying he thinks he could correctly sort me. I don't think scum would discard a potentially useful reason to get out of dancing with me (I can't read him and he shouldn't endgame), scum!Datisi instead would be worried that

I

might catch

him

. I don't sense any self-consciousness here.

The second is kind of a holistic like of his reasons for suspicion or scumreads. I haven't once looked at a Datisi post and disliked their reasoning for feeling shallow or disingenuous, even when he's been suspicious of me. I don't agree at all that "[a] I scumread so many gentlemen that

I could see all 4 gentleman being maf" is a reasonable or good thought process, but I

can

understand that Datisi would think that the [a] context means

makes sense and hence disliked me asking Andante to explain if they really believed

. I think Datisi's point against lily ignoring/handwaving marci's reads point, especially given their shared history and lily's claimed lack of foothold in the game, is well reasoned. I think Datisi also pushing why I reacted differently to him and catboi, that also makes sense as a genuine paranoia concern. I feel like I'm Stating The Obvious writing all this out but basically all of Datisi's thought process clicks for me and I don't think he's done any twisting/manipulating when presenting suspicion or scumreads, which is like chiefly what I'm looking for for a comfortable scumread. And to touch again on why I didn't originally like catboi, it was because I didn't see any real reasoning for why he didn't like my post other than he claimed it was a "gotcha" -> which I thought was a Shallow Reason because I hadn't even attempted to actually gotcha Andante, my 180 wasn't meant to be an accusation or a scumread. Again, that obviously doesn't apply to catboi anymore, but it exemplifies what I'm trying to point to when I talk about like, non-shallow or understandable reasons for scumreading somebody, even when that somebody is myself.

Anyway, I hope this ramble was somewhat useful Dats, it's not the kinda post I would normally write cause it's a bit self-meta-y and I feel like if I were you this wouldn't really help with any pocket paranoia, but you've requested it so here it is. Now onto the actual good shit, which is Lily, and then maybe Andante. and then if I have time after that I want to actually address what Titus is doing cause it looks like a mess of premeditated agenda posting to me

Purple prose.

I could trim this down to five or six sentences.

titus your reads feel so out of step to me like i actually dont understand a lot of what you're seeing. also it feels like you're kind of... inheriting lld's thoughts and using them a bit like a defense of "she's never been wrong ftr" while not owning up to your confidence as much.

like inheriting you were either following along and know what she was going after or you got an update of what your slot was thinking/doing by ppl

it feels like slaughter hour you >_>

also how is that purple prose LMAO

In post 1565, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

In post 1558, Titus wrote:I'd like Datisi with EE. Both have similar energies and would likely work well together. If they really trust each other, they could definitely do a good cop bad cop well.

Gave it an big thought earlier, but Datisi’s read rate on me is too unstable for me to consider it an good idea.
Guy’s scumread me as town for about 10 games straight now, while i almost always correctly read them.
So basically it’s too one-sided. And i doubt Datisi will trust me enough for us to actually have an good co-operation.
I think the only way would be if we were literal hydras. The moment Datisi doesn’t have my role clearly written on the paper it’s just game over for the trust he has for me.

How do you feel about Galron then?

Galron had an agenda of somesort when he wanted to join with LLD, given he revoked it almost immediately after I subbed in. I think you could either enhance what he's doing or sort it.

In post 1566, Titus wrote:

In post 1562, GuiltyLion wrote:

On why I don't believe my play fits a pattern of "pocketing Datisi"

- I have a few thoughts here. The first is that the last time I was scum against Datisi, I fear killed him on N1 because I was terrified of him catching me and I didn't want to have to keep playing the entire game around pocketing Datisi. This was only a few months ago in White Flag 834, my most recent scum game.

(I also invite anyone/everyone else to look at it and see if they feel any differences for themselves between my play there and my play here, not just in terms of how I treat Datisi but also my play in general.)

If I were scum the

last

thing I would want is any chance of needing to pocket Datisi through endgame, as evidenced by what I did in that prior game. I'm not a good pocketer. I don't even fancy myself a good scum player. I hate being endgame scum and normally what I aim to do is bully my way to surviving a few days through the easy MLs while making my teammates look as dis-associated as possible, and then sac myself so that they can try to endgame. Part of the reason this strategy is usually necessary is also because I tend to get killed early when I'm town in most games and so me being alive in LIMLO is rather damning most of the time - I recognize that doesn't apply in this setup as much given the lack of traditional NK, but dancing with Datisi and then needing to spend the whole game making sure Datisi doesn't paranoia leave doesn't strike me as something I'd want to do or something I'd be good at.

Further - if my agenda

was

to pocket Datisi, I don't think I've taken any initiative to really... do that? Like yes, I did townread Datisi early, but I've taken a very clear backseat in terms of letting Datisi propose/dance with whoever he wants to dance with. I didn't lie when he asked if I would be up for dancing with him, but I don't think there's a single post in my ISO that is a) pocket-y in nature and b) NOT a response to Datisi talking to me directly. Most of my interactions with Datisi have been replying to what he's said and not me going out of my way to flatter him or make him feel good about his reads or any of that other stuff that usually comes with buddying/pocketing. I've been instead pressuring/reacting to slots I'm suspicious of, rather than angling to get myself specifically townread. If my agenda was to pocket Datisi and get a dance with him, I think you'd be hard pressed to say that's what I've spent most of my time doing.

Finally, as for my actual townread on Datisi and where it came from, there's a few things that strike me as unlikely to come from scum. The first was 35, I know Datisi

said

that if they were scum they'd want to win in the most vengeful way possible, pocketing me and taking me to endgame and crushing my hopes and dreams of a Datisi/GL dance townwin, but I honestly dunno if I believe him. I caught Datisi almost instantly last time I played with him as scum and I think if he were scum and he knew I was town there'd be at least some detectable degree of Fear. The mindset behind 35 wasn't at all to create excuses to avoid dancing with me, instead Datisi is actually making it harder for himself to not dance with me by saying he thinks he could correctly sort me. I don't think scum would discard a potentially useful reason to get out of dancing with me (I can't read him and he shouldn't endgame), scum!Datisi instead would be worried that

I

might catch

him

. I don't sense any self-consciousness here.

The second is kind of a holistic like of his reasons for suspicion or scumreads. I haven't once looked at a Datisi post and disliked their reasoning for feeling shallow or disingenuous, even when he's been suspicious of me. I don't agree at all that "[a] I scumread so many gentlemen that

I could see all 4 gentleman being maf" is a reasonable or good thought process, but I

can

understand that Datisi would think that the [a] context means

makes sense and hence disliked me asking Andante to explain if they really believed

. I think Datisi's point against lily ignoring/handwaving marci's reads point, especially given their shared history and lily's claimed lack of foothold in the game, is well reasoned. I think Datisi also pushing why I reacted differently to him and catboi, that also makes sense as a genuine paranoia concern. I feel like I'm Stating The Obvious writing all this out but basically all of Datisi's thought process clicks for me and I don't think he's done any twisting/manipulating when presenting suspicion or scumreads, which is like chiefly what I'm looking for for a comfortable scumread. And to touch again on why I didn't originally like catboi, it was because I didn't see any real reasoning for why he didn't like my post other than he claimed it was a "gotcha" -> which I thought was a Shallow Reason because I hadn't even attempted to actually gotcha Andante, my 180 wasn't meant to be an accusation or a scumread. Again, that obviously doesn't apply to catboi anymore, but it exemplifies what I'm trying to point to when I talk about like, non-shallow or understandable reasons for scumreading somebody, even when that somebody is myself.

Anyway, I hope this ramble was somewhat useful Dats, it's not the kinda post I would normally write cause it's a bit self-meta-y and I feel like if I were you this wouldn't really help with any pocket paranoia, but you've requested it so here it is. Now onto the actual good shit, which is Lily, and then maybe Andante. and then if I have time after that I want to actually address what Titus is doing cause it looks like a mess of premeditated agenda posting to me

Purple prose.

I could trim this down to five or six sentences.

you just looked for the longest post so you could call it that... I almost always say way more words than needed, like, it feels like how GL genuinely plays, meaning you're SRing GL off of playstyle, which isn't alignment indicative

In post 1567, Ydrasse wrote:titus your reads feel so out of step to me like i actually dont understand a lot of what you're seeing. also it feels like you're kind of... inheriting lld's thoughts and using them a bit like a defense of "she's never been wrong ftr" while not owning up to your confidence as much.

like inheriting you were either following along and know what she was going after or you got an update of what your slot was thinking/doing by ppl

it feels like slaughter hour you >_>

Funny, show me where LLD scumread you.

I've posted plenty about why you and GL are scum partners. LLD certainly didn't postulate a team. She wanted just GL.

In post 1571, Titus wrote:

In post 1567, Ydrasse wrote:titus your reads feel so out of step to me like i actually dont understand a lot of what you're seeing. also it feels like you're kind of... inheriting lld's thoughts and using them a bit like a defense of "she's never been wrong ftr" while not owning up to your confidence as much.

like inheriting you were either following along and know what she was going after or you got an update of what your slot was thinking/doing by ppl

it feels like slaughter hour you >_>

Funny, show me where LLD scumread you.

I've posted plenty about why you and GL are scum partners. LLD certainly didn't postulate a team. She wanted just GL.

i meant the gl push which i think... should be obvious here as it was her main thing?

Basically the thing that is important for me when hooding isn’t that the slot scumreads or townreads me. It’s whether i believe the slot can actually read me correctly, or has history in doing so.
And when it comes to Datisi their records on guessing my allignment is bad.

In post 1570, Andante wrote:you just looked for the longest post so you could call it that... I almost always say way more words than needed, like, it feels like how GL genuinely plays, meaning you're SRing GL off of playstyle, which isn't alignment indicative

Your posts aren't purple prose. There's a difference in not posting succinctly and posting more words just to look like more effort.