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Thanks flow
I might tr Cakez for 1544. I'm not super familiar with Cakez scum meta, but I don't think he hops in to take a shot at me and dips out. It's sorta annoying, but maybe town. Cakez, can you elaborate on some of your reads (preferably who you read as town right now). Ik you said you mostly agree with Faker, but it would be helpful to hear your own thoughts.

I've become increasingly less sold on my Cakez townlean, pretty rote stuff to fake, but we will see. Going out of his way to tell me we matched rubbed me the wrong way as I served not as an adamant defender but a slight one in Warehouse 13. He might be hoping for the same here.

Might need to meta dive for the Pooky stuff for more recent stuff.

In post 1085, SirCakez wrote:

In post 960, Mare wrote:And, let me say, once more.

I really don't give a fuck if he's catching up. People do it. I dislike it. Whatever.

I dislike what he's saying.

you're all like blah blah I don't like what Cakez is saying
what am I saying here exactly???

In post 1086, SirCakez wrote:

In post 966, Mare wrote:Like you want to be ? but you're sitting here saying that he hasn't done anything AI which is patently false soooo.

In post 967, Mare wrote:VOTE: Skitter30

this feels fake as fuck

In post 1091, SirCakez wrote:mare's push is terribad but this

In post 1006, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:is it time to restart the animal police department to get some civility back

In post 1007, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:VOTE: Faker

this is definitely scum and I don't want to move my vote

I thought earlier while reading in the 30s-40s about flipping both Mare/Cakez, decided it was dumb, but this isn't helping.

In post 1263, innocentvillager wrote:also faker's towniest post is his first post of the game that's probalby why im currently anchored to faker town

I hate that this comes in a reaction to me but yeah I'm slotting IV in the hard townbin. No reason to bring this up or revisit this at the time. Everyone ignoring my start was criminal and I think cat especially should know that while I can WIFOM that post 100% lines up with how I view scum & town respectively.

I don't fear qualitative play or players at all, I fear mechanical clears and PoE.

In post 1298, Andante wrote:I'm done with this, it's getting no where, and this is no fun. so see yall whenever. this entire argument is dumb

Unclear to me why this was contextually; you had just concluded Datisi was scum. I feel like normally that realization creates a spark?

Not really that concerned I'm wrong on you but would rather ask this now than paranoia revisit later.

Midway, IV town.

Andante probably town for the level of sporadic jumping around? But so quick to jump on anything and push it without a sense of continuity beyond a few posts. Sleepless probably town.

Cakez still scum beyond just tonal things but doing not a lot but being agreeable.

Probably a scum in skitter/Datisi/catboi.

Rest is in null-world right now.

I'm playing Sona in an ARAM. Life is good.

If it helps Mare I'm probably going to move my vote~

I would classify that as an epic win.

In post 1503, flow trap wrote:

In post 1501, Faker wrote:-flow trap: I did not expect to ever get a real read on this slot but I think that interaction with me regarding my main was egregious.

Yeah I knew you would think that

Okay? You didn't really explain the discrepancy in not recognizing me as Prism. Did you just forget, was my guess that you just didn't think about the implications correct, what?

Contextually it seems like your vote came in reaction to this post of mine:

In post 1330, Faker wrote:

The hilarious part is that the reflective stepback has been a scum staple dating back to my first games on site in 2016

I can let skitter be wrong but you, LMAO

It's unclear to me why this is being overly concerned with my self-image. Two players townread me for something and I went out of my way to highlight it as a scum staple and correct them. It is also difficult to spot the staple in the scumgames in question, which are from 2016/2017, unless you know in advance what you're looking for. It was unlikely to be found via normal meta review.

In post 1558, Mare wrote:I would classify that as an epic win.

I was considering moving it to Cakez from you.

Then I remembered I am already on flow trap, not you, so it's already gone!

I kind of got over being voted because I remembered my early reads are good and I am smart and my eyes were open but I appreciate the moving of it.

So if you want my GUT READ on a team it's like Andante/Cakez/Cat.

Okay, I caught up, jesus fucking christ. Really just skimmed the last few pages, outright skipped Datisi/skitter round 30, but we are DONE.

T->S as usual

Town: Andante
Probably town: innocentvillager
Townlean: Something_Smart, Datisi
Null (Going to be real other than NSG at the top and cat at the bottom this ordering is very loose): northsidegal, skitter, midwaybear, Sleepless Assassin, Pooky, catboi
Scumlean: Mare
Scum: SirCakez, flow trap

SirCakez is always fucking limbait but every single post I read from 40 on I thought was some combination of ingratiating or opportunistic and I wanted to flip him.

I have a few projects I want to work on later, not particularly important that I get to all of them but:
-Recent Cakez/Pooky interactions in other games
-midwaybear as a person+his recent responses to me that I was too tired to process
-Review Datisi/skitter independently, skitter had like one point that was okay but the rest was so NAI or +town imo. Part of me wants to try to toneread Datisi based off the reactions, because substantively they're rote softballs, but iuno

Alright and with that I will SEE YOU ALL ON NEW YEAR'S DAY

i reskimmed cakez's iso and don't rly remember why i thought he was towny

i think it was the bold calling of people scumfuckers having an aggressive tone

but it feels like he's mostly just been memeing since, which feels a little in contrast to how his iso reads like he's found the scum already

Cakez if u still have those same 4 people as scum (midway, pooky, mare, SS) why don't i really see you pushing them more? like how confident are you on those ppl

@Datisi why was cakez very town for u?

In post 1563, Faker wrote:Townlean: Something_Smart, Datisi

what made you change my slot from null to townlean?

In post 1566, innocentvillager wrote:@Datisi why was cakez very town for u?

fuck if i remember

i said it was something on page 44, let's see

i reread page 44 and i have no clue lmfao. i think it was a mixture of thinking 1093 was like, really Tonally Town and thinking how i don't think scum!cakez would be going out on a limb here to attack pooky the way he is. the argument of "cakez got burned in c9++ for forgetting to fake paranoia so obviously if he drew red here he wouldn't forget it again" is nice, but i'm not sure if scum!cakez would actually be going straight for pooky like this - like it seems more natural to me to fake paranoia in a more lowkey way

this definitely is a read that i should revisit at some point because i kinda tuned cakez's posts out in the recent times but this was why i was townreading him at the time

back and catching up sorry, anyone want to get my super hot takes on things as i'm reading up

In post 1451, flow trap wrote:Current POE is like: Andante 3 times Midway, SS, Pooky, Mare, Cat, Skitter; Maybe Sleepless

surprised to not see myself in this - are you townreading me?

having done a bit of meta diving my townread on andante has been strengthened and i now actually think that flow trap is probably town (despite having leaned towards him being scum after reading through the thread but before doing the meta dive).

i used to be of the opinion (and i suppose that i still am) that you should sort of keep some meta tells close to the chest so that you can re-use them later or people don't adapt to them, but i don't think that i play enough for this to still be relevant for me. plus, i probably need something to actually talk about anyways rather than just giving some boring reads and then dipping out.

one thing that stood out to me a lot was andante's very strong reaction not even to being voted, but to even the insinuation that she might not be town.



like i said in that post, i felt like this was a surprising or extreme reaction in proportion to the posts that i had made, but i didn't immediately know how to interpret it: as some kind of scum sensitivity to her position as a consensus townread being questioned, or as a genuine example of this one meta trait that would indicate that she's town. having done a little bit of meta review, i think that it's more likely to be the latter. the "meta trait" is this (datisi might actually remember this one, i just now realized that i brought this up in that white flag game that i played horribly in) – certain people may tend not to get eliminated as town very often. often, the type of people who tend not to get eliminated as town are the ones who really dig their heels in and fight when that becomes a possibility for them as town. sometimes you can tell that these kinds of players are scum because, when being pushed for elimination, they don't fight as hard as they typically do as town – i first learned about this tell when nachomamma used it in a bombshell case on myself actually, because i was getting pushed but didn't really seem to have a lot of heart in fighting it.

based on what i saw of andante's other games, my estimation is that the reaction that she had in this game to what i was saying is more likely to be an example of that sort of strong desire to not be eliminated as town than it is some kind of scum reaction. i guess i'm sort of wasting my breath here anyways because nobody really seems to disagree that she's town?? i don't know, i just actually like this tell a lot, it's fun to talk about and i'm now the mafia equivalent of an old person who just wants to tell people stories from their past so just let me have this

as for flow trap i'll try to be a bit less wordy and just get to the point (and also i guess keep the amount i say proportional to my degree of confidence?), it seems like he has more fun as town and is more serious as scum and this game seems to match the former rather than the latter.

i agree with the logic that SS as scum would be trying more to look towny and it matches my memory of playing against (and losing against) him as scum, but at the same time it feels bad to actually put someone down as town based on that reasoning. so i guess i can just continue putting the problem of reading him off

i guess i'm somewhere around here

{nsg}
{andante, flow}
{IV, mare, SS}
{skitter, cakez, SA, pooky, faker, datisi} - null
{midway}

i predict that i will probably scumread sleepless assassin after he makes his big post. really don't know how to feel about datisi – i see all of the things that people are prodding him over and i see his responses and and i understand his responses completely and despite maybe seeming unlikely on the surface i feel like i relate to how all of them could be genuine... but i don't know if that makes him town or just means that the things people are pushing him for aren't actually scummy. in other words, i don't really read his posts as towny, but none of the reasons people seem to be giving or talking about for him being scum really resonate with me.

midway still seems scummy but i'm unsatisfied voting there with such a large null pool to sort.

gosh, all i want to do in mafia games is bring up and talk about older mafia games. maybe that means i should play more so i have games that aren't all like two or three years old to be referencing.