In post 0, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:During the pre-dance, a Gentleman can ask a Lady to the dance in thread. Each Lady can accept only one dance proposal. [Seven Days]
At the end of the pre-dance, one unpaired player will leave the dance. If more than one player is unpaired, I will ask the mafia to pair the players remaining privately.
Each dance pair will then become neighbors and they will be given a private topic to discuss the game.
Till Death Do Us Part: The Mafia are then given a choice to eliminate a player of their choice - this will not eliminate that player's dance partner. [1 Day]
A New Hope: The lone dancer will have one chance to propose to another player for their new dance partner(This can result in dance pairs of the same gender) - if rejected, this player will leave the dance, if accepted, the other player's dance partner will leave the dance [3 Days]
The Dance: Players vote to eliminate a pair from the Dance, Players may leave to force their partner to leave as well. [7 Days]
Checking: After each elimination during the Dance, we will check for Elo[Player Count = Mafia Count +2]. If we are in ELO we will enter Final Dance. If we are not in ELO, Mafia will receive another opportunity to kill[Till Death Do Us Part]
Final Dance:[ELO]Players vote to eliminate a pair from the Dance, Players may leave to force their partner to leave as well. [10 Days](Mod Note: It is possible to go from ELO to [Till Death Do us Part] if an S/S Pair is eliminated)
In post 1534, Bell wrote:What does your position have to do with sharing your thoughts on whether another player is scum or town and why you think that.
Blow Andante/Dunn if you really don't care.
I think i paired with town. Most likely. Maybe.
Idk i would left townpair like you untouched as maf, not kill and risk being outdanced.
In post 1536, Dunnstral wrote:Are you implying that Bell has inherently likely to kill you in a way that other nightkills would not be?
Why am I mafia to you?
Putting it simple, everything can kill me, but i am imunne to nightkills for early game, so there's no real big difference in who i would kill as maf. Therefore, kill makes sense from my perspective. Which i don't like.
Because you are not town for me.
What is going on with your read of me here Enchant?
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:12 pm
by Ginngie
Okay I think I got it
Firebringer couldn't find a partner so they were (voted out) removed from the dance
Left an even amount of players so now mafia eliminates one person creating the lone person.
The phase we are in now, that lone player may basically try to convince someone to switch partners so their partner is eliminated instead of them.
Each phase so far only one person gets eliminated. Then the next phase two people are gonna be eliminated.
If I have time I'll try and read about 10-15 pages a day till im caught up. I think I've grasped how this works.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:20 pm
by Enchant
Deep night for me i sleep
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:22 pm
by Ginngie
So from what I can gather
Scum eliminated Bells partner
My gut reaction is that bell is town here because of if scum, we'll be able to see the theatre of scum having to dump their partner and trade for bell to become a SvS pair.
I dont see a scum player risking themselves like that on day 1 if I'm honest. I love this set up already.
Alrighty enough speculation imma go read some shit
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:27 pm
by Dunnstral
How did Enchant go from "I have no read on Dunnstral" to "Dunnstral is not town" from posts 1386 to 1535?
In post 1555, Ginngie wrote:My gut reaction is that bell is town here because of if scum, we'll be able to see the theatre of scum having to dump their partner and trade for bell to become a SvS pair.
I don't feel like they would ever be angling for a s/s pair
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:23 pm
by Lukewarm
Actually, unless the math actually works for that to be good?
Gut reaction is that that kills 2 scum for the price of one if one of them slips up/ falls under suspicion.
I haven't looked at how that affect elo, and I should probably do that
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:38 pm
by Ginngie
In post 11, Andante wrote:AYYYYYY So last time I was maf, and like, we didn't solve in the hood at all, and I kinda liked that sooo I don't plan on posting significantly in the hood, like I'd rather just dump thoughts in the thread, so yeah, but TOWN!!! LET'S GOOOOOO I only accept dance proposals from town! We are endgaming! gg. tryhard mode activated. maf be scared
I know it's the first page but I cant help but talk about this.
Andante states in this post that they were mafia and didn't like posting in hoods not needing to solve. What I can interpret is that they found no real reason to post in hoods, so she decided to write them off for this game.
What I find interesting however, is that I come into the PT and it's literally just Andante trying to strike up any conversation and Prism left her hanging. What I like about this is that I personally can't help but try and socialize(play the game) with whatever topics I'm allowed to post in. It's like I can see the growth of at first thinking the hoods aren't necessary; then thinking hey might as well try and use it since they're town this game and then seeing the frustration of of Prism not posting in the hood.
Now the hood was created on the 18th and I iso'd Prism to check for their interactions with Andante after the hood was created. Didn't really interact with each other. And I kinda forgot where I was going with this cuz I got distracted by the isos. Oh I think what I was looking for was how Prism and Andante interacted in the main thread and not just the PT. Prism and Andante didn't really communicate in the thread, and given Prism's stated annoyance with hoods, I do give props for Andante for trying to do anything at all in the hood. Think about it from scum!Andante perspecitive. You like ignoring hoods as scum, and you get partnered with someone who hates hoods; thats literally a perfect pairing to just ignore it. Now town!Andante however can't help but try to interact. There's that need to solve which is hard to fake.
As silly as this is, I believe Andante is my first townread for the game.
ALSO mala it's way to early to be calling me townie, honestly it shouldn't feel townie because I gave an RVS post and did set up speculation before doing reads like this post. However I didn't have this post yet, so I'm curious what I've done that you felt was townie.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:46 pm
by Ginngie
In post 1560, Lukewarm wrote:Actually, unless the math actually works for that to be good?
Gut reaction is that that kills 2 scum for the price of one if one of them slips up/ falls under suspicion.
I haven't looked at how that affect elo, and I should probably do that
Well a S/S pair isn't that bad. It almost always requires scum to eliminate scum from the game. I haven't played in a few years but I'd love to interact with you about vote count theory. One tenet I find really simple is that it's really hard for a wagon of 7 town members to come to a consensus and find a mafia player. Day 1 is being used for the example. You'll usually find one or two scum on the wagon and it makes it easier because town just has to get it right with 5 players instead of 7. Now imagine a SvS pair. It's actually a hilariously good excuse as to why they wont vote each other out. Scum gets a scapegoat to make forming wagons on themselves harder.
I would like your thoughts on this because you seem like you a good player to discuss the numbers with and admittedly I've only studied the setup for an hour total.
seeing deadline extended reads like we dont have much time to chat but i gotta finish some pretty big obligations like literally rn so I'll chat when thats over
If you scumread my slot talk to me; not meta, but quite simply mafia have a hard time having real time conversations and will talk at or about players, but usually not TO or with a player. So, it kills two birds with one stone as you can further sort the new slot and honestly if I'm a scumread, best thing to do is grill the replacement IMO. Also, it'll help me form my own reads because I personally love seeing if peoples reads are genuine on me.
intro post with RVS, and posting mafia theory, RVS only possible alignment indicator
My gut reaction is that bell is town here because of if scum, we'll be able to see the theatre of scum having to dump their partner and trade for bell to become a SvS pair.
I dont see a scum player risking themselves like that on day 1 if I'm honest. I love this set up already.
Alrighty enough speculation imma go read some shit
This is more set up spec, only thing alignment indictive is maybe forming a townread on Bell; however again it's set up spec and I'd actually see that more as scummy than townie focusing on mechanics instead of a players reads. Easier to logic a read than explain why you feel a certain way.
Overall I don't get why I should feel townie when my analysis of myself I'd say is more of a scummy start.
So Mala, if you could help elaborate on your thought process there, it would help me feel more comfortable about you.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:01 pm
by Malakittens
I overall had a decently good feeling about Prism.
As for the setup spec; Id think if you were scum you wouldn't be so open about the spec in the thread unless you have partners that are mia or just as confused
idk its a gut feeling ++ the read i had on prism
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:04 pm
by Ginngie
In post 40, Prism wrote:Honestly maybe we just quarantine me/Ydrasse and make us policyleave if we ever get to ELO, two birds one stone.
LMFAOOOOOOOOO No this is fucking funny Prism's first post talks about mafia theory and using two birds and one stone and my first post is the exact same thing
As for the setup spec; Id think if you were scum you wouldn't be so open about the spec in the thread unless you have partners that are mia or just as confused
idk its a gut feeling ++ the read i had on prism
So is this a belief that I personally wouldn't share it?
Do you have a belief that mafia in general wouldn't openly try to solve using mechanics?
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:08 pm
by Malakittens
TBH
the last dance game I played I nailed Andante because she was doing setup spec in the main thread, but she was so confused and then the numbers and it just felt faked and forced, I also stated that whoever her partners were had to have been new at the setup as well
In post 158, Noraa wrote:I know im playing with fire but me asking ydrasse to dance vs prism asking andante.
one is extremely scummy and the equivalent of "anyone want to dance?"
but the other is like apparently so towny that the dance is happening.
how does that make sense
Well, first, I'm not the player that weighed in on your proposal to Ydrasse. Andante was. Maybe she's a better fit to answer. It's also unclear if this is a critique of me proposing, of Andante accepting, or both, because asking about Ydrasse is fundamentally different than asking "anyone" and you treat them as equivalent anyway.
Second, Andante posted that because she's like the energizer bunny or the smiling dog in her picture, eager for more posts and to run around and grab the stick and bring it back and have someone throw it again so she can grab it again and shake head to play with stick pretend it is squirrel oh no they take stick and they can throw it and where stick go there stick must move legs fast and....
Fundamentally I think that enthusiastic pro-activity is a bit +town for her. That's a read rooted in meta. While I didn't comment on it before, I think your Ydrasse reaction is null at best. Just rote pursuit of early/pregame pocket target is plausible.
I agree w/ this assessment.
In post 166, Bell wrote:Andante's play so far reminds me of a puppy biting at my shoe while my leg is still attached because I got in their way. But I'm actually okay with that. They don't have to listen. I just won't talk to or address them unless I think it particularly relevant.
I dunno what Andante scum looks like. They've appeared townie since I've known them. This game isn't much of an exception.
Strangely, I actually agree with Ydra so far, but both Fire and Luke are the types of players I like, so I'm looking forward to seeing them play and maybe changing my mind.
so I have played with scum andante twice and this feels like town andante. Scum Andante has a tone-difference in her posts.
town andante has a huge chance of being pocketed so I want to wait out this read before solidily calling her town
So, I haven't yet had a great read on Dunn. I have played with Dunn in the past and been wrong too many times. So i'm leaning on ppl who have more exp in reading him.
In post 543, fireisredsir wrote:im also open to that. i wanted myko left out most but now with who is remaining i want ceph and dun >>>>> luke and noraa to stay.
and im cool with taking some consensus into account if it comes down to luke/noraa cause i don't exactly have a strong scumread on either of them
I mean i wanted you to be left out bc i think youre scum, but hey we all cant get what we want
In post 579, Ydrasse wrote:someone once told me dunnstral powers up in dance games
so in hindsight this makes dunn's posting NAI as if he powers up in dance game regardless of alignment, which in the future is gonna throw off any meta type tells
I don't currently trust Prism, which leaves me disinclined to let her do the sorting of the pairs.
Thinking selfishly, I think pairing with Dats knowing that I am his top scum read just kills me day 2, and I think proposing to fire results in fire getting hammer between me and Cephrir, and I am left behind today. So, survival thinking says Mala is my best bet.
Noted & ooof going to think on this last few lines of this.
In post 1396, Bell wrote:First I’m hearing you think prism isn’t town.
I have a lot of thoughts, and the fact ydra was killed over prism was a bit sus to me cause I thought prism looked very towny and is someone I'd fearkill... not sure why this is a hard thought to believe?
What. IMO prism was not the player I townread the most during D1. As I had two others who i felt were townier than Prism. You, actually, being one of them.
Which is during day 3, and in fact is a stance you just conjured up out of thin air today.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:12 pm
by Dunnstral
phase 3 rather
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:13 pm
by Malakittens
Sorry it was Marci in the other dance game that lead me to connect that thought from the vibe, not andante.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:15 pm
by Malakittens
I still rather not separate the andante/Prism pair because it contains two of my townreads, Bell is another townread.
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:15 pm
by Ginngie
@Mala:
I gotta admit I find it way more townie that you openly accept what seems like a contradiction. You said you literally nailed scum because they used set up spec.
Scum!mala can go hey I literally did this last game and nailed scum, so i'm gonna push this player because if it works why try something different.
Town!mala admits the contradiction and instead townread a player for it.
Do you agree that scum you would have an easier time just pushing the player doing set up spec like I mentioned?
Also Do you agree that it's more townie to trust your gut even if evidence is potentially pointing otherwise?
Like my townlean stems from the fact that you're actively working things out compared to your previous experience instead of going the lazy route and falling back on said experience
