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In post 1548, Alexcellent wrote: Gibus’s town reads are easy to fabricate if he’s scum given the info he has.

In post 1530, Elsa Jay wrote:I thought you wanted to be casual Cres. Why is "casual" Cres not okay with me playing a game with other people in the game?

In post 644, gibus wrote:VOTE: Corwinoid

In post 1394, Crescent wrote:I will note that you barely even mention the guy again until #980. I wouldn't really say there's an established pattern until that sequence of posts leading up to the vote.

Though my memory partially me - I remembered your vote coming on him quicker than it did.

In post 1396, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Gera, what's your read on Gibus?

In post 1397, Elsa Jay wrote:To speak my current peace:

I still think Vivax and Corwin are TvT, but I concede that if there's scum there it's Vivax.

I would be okay with a NotMaf Elim but it's not a priority.

I want more from Alex and Toffee or they'll go back into the scum pile.

My elims today besides NotMaf would be possibly Vixax (though the one I'd probably fight about), Gibus, or Gera. The other 5 I don't wanna launch today at all.

So basically if I have to vote today my vote will be on (maybe) Vivax, NotMaf, Gera, and Gibus wagons.

In post 1423, Crescent wrote:Oh and if I get shot tonight if there's anyone who doesn't have a vote right now who might be scum it's Elsa by the way.

'Cause I can play the theory game too!


You thought George was your aligned partner, which is why you didn't seem to care even slightly which of Corwin or Owen was voted off - Just so long as it wasn't George. You even went as far as to say he "crumbed" PR, but only admitted you were lying after Owen hammered.

You were set on voting off Corwin before the day started, and didn't stop to factor in what Owen's flip meant. This is why you quick voted him so fast and had to be forced to acknowledge the vote wasn't happening. Vivax, who is town, was all over Corwin, but didn't feel the need to vote him immediately. He even thought he did when he didn't!

You feel like you can't join the vote on Vivax from Corwin, so you pull the "my vote my choice" cringe to stick lazily on Corwin. You wait for a safe place to put your vote that might actually take off.

The moment Gibus gets a sniff, you hop on because its "fun". You feel you established on him yesterday and did not need to explain yourself jumping on him today. You sit back and watch BBT and I grill him for you.


I think every single part of my theory is actually rather reasonable.

In post 1440, Crescent wrote:Oh and side note the vibes Gera are giving off have been consistently better today than the ones he gave off yesterday, which gives me a curious feeling.

I'm asking myself if I like

any

of these trains right now. Food for thought overnight.

In post 1491, Elsa Jay wrote:Cres my evidence is there but since it's about you you are biased against it tho? Heck Alex even agreed it was decent earlier and I've worded it way better now.

Edit:

Assuming the usual launch, scum kill, and possible vigi shot, we would go down to 7 people, with possibly 1 scum death here from our votes and NotMaf getting shot in the head.

Assuming worst case scenario tho it'll be something like 2v5 and we do, in fact, lose a day of discussion completely.

In post 1498, Alexcellent wrote:UNVOTE: NotMafia
VOTE: Elsa

In post 1523, Eiralox wrote:imma be a dwarf for the night bai

In post 1544, Alexcellent wrote:Plus side to Elsa and Cres is that I don't think they can be scum together. But I have a conundrum there since they both present compelling arguments against each other which I kind of agree with. Would not hate a launch here.
Would not shock me if Elsa flipped red. Talk of policy elim only 3 pages in, very defensive reaction to my D1 push on her and overall has appeared on and off throughout the game as though she's wanting others to push the game forward rather than her do much herself. Maybe it's a playstyle thing? I don't think it's a pro-town thing though. For what it's worth, Mafia Traitor Owen refers to and talks of Elsa a lot in his short ISO and appears to townread her? I know we tread into WIFOM territory looking at his ISO, but it's worth pointing out I think.
On the other hand, I can absolutely see a scenario where scum!Cres has been lumped with an unknown traitor and a low activity partner. Lots of frustration over the lack of activity - maaaybe that's originating from her scum partner not being active and that's a cause for her anger. Her taking a break once votes got stacked against her is interesting timing. At times some of her posts have also bordered on feeling a bit appeal to emotion (like more or less implying how doomed the town is if she gives up or dies or whatever). I've noticed when people come after her she tends to aggressively attack and discredit more so than just defend herself. I asked before if her case against Elsa was the first time she had suggested it, because I found the timing of her coming out with that right after Elsa declared suspicion on her to be pretty convenient. But apparently Cres has said it before, I'll probably have to do a re-read and ISO there.
There's questionable stuff that Cres has posted but ultimately I think her frustration with town seems genuine and she does appear to be someone trying to solve the game.

Sorry for the blocks of text, wanted to get my thoughts out into the ether.

I'm still happy with BBT/Elsa launch today. NM as a policy. If you guys need to launch Gibus or Vivax I'd prefer it's Vivax, for the info, and also I dislike who is on Gibus's wagon.

In post 1563, geraintm wrote:

In post 1498, Alexcellent wrote:UNVOTE: NotMafia
VOTE: Elsa

Are you just trying to get any wagon started today?
Is one of thr 2 wagons you have ruled out yout partner and the other someone you've built up too much equity as town for you to vote for them without coming across as totally opportunistic scum????

In post 1563, geraintm wrote:

In post 1498, Alexcellent wrote:UNVOTE: NotMafia
VOTE: Elsa

Are you just trying to get any wagon started today?
Is one of thr 2 wagons you have ruled out yout partner and the other someone you've built up too much equity as town for you to vote for them without coming across as totally opportunistic scum????

In post 1566, Elsa Jay wrote:

In post 1544, Alexcellent wrote:Plus side to Elsa and Cres is that I don't think they can be scum together. But I have a conundrum there since they both present compelling arguments against each other which I kind of agree with. Would not hate a launch here.
Would not shock me if Elsa flipped red. Talk of policy elim only 3 pages in, very defensive reaction to my D1 push on her and overall has appeared on and off throughout the game as though she's wanting others to push the game forward rather than her do much herself. Maybe it's a playstyle thing? I don't think it's a pro-town thing though. For what it's worth, Mafia Traitor Owen refers to and talks of Elsa a lot in his short ISO and appears to townread her? I know we tread into WIFOM territory looking at his ISO, but it's worth pointing out I think.
On the other hand, I can absolutely see a scenario where scum!Cres has been lumped with an unknown traitor and a low activity partner. Lots of frustration over the lack of activity - maaaybe that's originating from her scum partner not being active and that's a cause for her anger. Her taking a break once votes got stacked against her is interesting timing. At times some of her posts have also bordered on feeling a bit appeal to emotion (like more or less implying how doomed the town is if she gives up or dies or whatever). I've noticed when people come after her she tends to aggressively attack and discredit more so than just defend herself. I asked before if her case against Elsa was the first time she had suggested it, because I found the timing of her coming out with that right after Elsa declared suspicion on her to be pretty convenient. But apparently Cres has said it before, I'll probably have to do a re-read and ISO there.
There's questionable stuff that Cres has posted but ultimately I think her frustration with town seems genuine and she does appear to be someone trying to solve the game.

Sorry for the blocks of text, wanted to get my thoughts out into the ether.

I'm still happy with BBT/Elsa launch today. NM as a policy. If you guys need to launch Gibus or Vivax I'd prefer it's Vivax, for the info, and also I dislike who is on Gibus's wagon.

I just remember him pestering me for an opinion and when I disagreed and voted him he threw me to the side like garbage. Maybe since we played together he thought I was easy to manipulate or something? I can be manipulated but only through jokes, gaslighting or stubbornness.

I also town read Toffee so it kinda puts us in an awkward moment where I'd have to compromise on you on NotMaf or more preferably Gibus. Think we can do that friend?

In post 1535, gibus wrote:

In post 1412, Elsa Jay wrote:With 2 days left, I expect the same final crunch we had day 1 to happen again. Maybe even the 8 wagons too. Tho with only 10 alive that becomes significantly harder to do.

I think we can at least agree who we are NOT eliminating today?

Nobody's really going for Alex, Eira, or me today, so I think we can take

those

3 out. Funnily enough the three of

them

are also the only ones not getting voted in the last VC either.

Corwin is more townread then Vivax who is more likely to get elimed between the two so he's safe too. Seems the Crescent stuff has also died now.

So that leaves us with Gibus, Toffee, NotMaf, Vivax, and Gera. Minus Toffee so far it matches what I think we should be between.

If your vote isn't on one of those you should probably get moving soon.

Strangr wording here. Why refer to herself in third person?
Sounds survivalistic while trying not to come off as such.

In post 1571, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean so far it's DEFINITELY a townread on Toffee's actions and only because of Fish do I still have some minor doubts. Like with Crescent, if fish had another lurker as a partner with no Coach she could've just abandoned the game. Demotivated after the traitor is gone. Another certified Elsa theory.

In post 1539, Corwinoid wrote:

In post 1538, Vivax wrote:The expectation that vig can shoot again isn't scummy.

That's not the slip I care about.